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[ALTBOULI]

The premise of the original post may have been stated to create drama but it is incorrect.  It takes skill to be perilous solo.  Much like Me3MP the good players after playing at a high level soon figure that playing at a high level is the norm not the exception and can't understand why other players are not as good.  The Avvar takes skill no matter what your load out or items are.

Serious question then Beerfish - have you seen anyone solo Perilous with hardly any promotions and using Inquisition weapons? In ME3 I have people solo with an Avenger on Platinum (bear in mind they dont have the nice 85% DR that some DAMP solo'ers have). The people who solo'ed couldnt simply walk into a spawn mindlessly with an avenger. They would have to pick when to hold and when to move, kiting enemies so that they dont get flanked or even due to objective like devices. That required a great deal of precision, I have not seen anything like that in DAMP.

Just to be clear I wouldnt consider ME3 that dependent on skill but it certainly requires a lot more than DAMP

[Luke Barrett]

I was using this build before the Skywatcher even had a proper model so clearly all points are moot and I win the thread.
Try to keep it civil if you actually want to 'discuss' something.

[Hellsteeth30]

Skeletal avvar wins!

[capn233]

Serious question then Beerfish - have you seen anyone solo Perilous with hardly any promotions and using Inquisition weapons? In ME3 I have people solo with an Avenger on Platinum (bear in mind they dont have the nice 85% DR that some DAMP solo'ers have). The people who solo'ed couldnt simply walk into a spawn mindlessly with an avenger. They would have to pick when to hold and when to move, kiting enemies so that they dont get flanked or even due to objective like devices. That required a great deal of precision, I have not seen anything like that in DAMP.

Just to be clear I wouldnt consider ME3 that dependent on skill but it certainly requires a lot more than DAMP

 

Platinum solo with Avenger is massively irritating.  I tried it one time and rage quit on 4.  Of course some examples I saw used IA glitch to make up for the BS damage + / - combo spam at which point it wasn't exactly soloing with the Avenger.

 

That is another key difference, your power and combo damage in ME3 did not depend on weapon base damage.  And if you just wanted to solo with Avenger or Shuriken only, you could go Huntress, Valkyrie or GTS.

 

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I do think in OP's vid they oversold ME3 soloing slightly, but it is hard for me to say the relative accessibility between Kroguard / Reegar vs Geth Gold compared to AW v Demons.  I did AW v Demons w/ 15 Constitution, 19 Willpower, and 17 Cunning (week before nerf) but that was with Fury of the Veil and ok accessories.

 

Of course Geth Scanner made soloing significantly more accessible in ME3, but it wasn't quite automatic.

[Proto]

Analysis:

 

Which class used?

 

Avvar, one of the three most OP classes. Check. Lady's Wrath OP. Pretty sure I've mentioned this before? Maybe? Oh well.

 

Quality of gear?

 

BiS. Check.

 

Which faction played against?

 

Demons, easiest by far. Check.

 

Explanation: You have nothing to worry about as far as burst damage when facing demons. The Avvar can non-nonchalantly take on huge spawns due to massive AOE damage and maximum benefit from HOK. Honestly, it reminds me of the Arcane Warrior against demons. Who needs a barrier when DPS and HOK do the same job, better. Lady's Wrath OP. Pretty sure I've mentioned this before?

 

Which map?

 

OC, easiest. Check.

 

Like I pointed out earlier, this reminds me of the level 20 arcane warrior videos against demons a couple months ago. Yes, very little skill is involved. 

 

If you're gonna use a thread title like this, at least make the video entertaining. Maybe level 9 against red templars? 

[ALTBOULI]

I was using this build before the Skywatcher even had a proper model so clearly all points are moot and I win the thread.
Try to keep it civil if you actually want to 'discuss' something.

Lets discuss why you dont have an ME2 badge under your name, dont tell me your one of 'those' guys?

[apocalypse_owl]

I was using this build before the Skywatcher even had a proper model so clearly all points are moot and I win the thread.
Try to keep it civil if you actually want to 'discuss' something.

 

 

Seriously though, im sure we would all love to hear your opinion on this topic. Do you think that promotions negate any challenge or difficulty that previously existed when said promotions weren't there? 

[ALTBOULI]

Platinum solo with Avenger is massively irritating.  I tried it one time and rage quit on 4.  Of course some examples I saw used IA glitch to make up for the BS damage + / - combo spam at which point it wasn't exactly soloing with the Avenger.
 
That is another key difference, your power and combo damage in ME3 did not depend on weapon base damage.  And if you just wanted to solo with Avenger or Shuriken only, you could go Huntress, Valkyrie or GTS.
 
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I do think in OP's vid they oversold ME3 soloing slightly, but it is hard for me to say the relative accessibility between Kroguard / Reegar vs Geth Gold compared to AW v Demons.  I did AW v Demons w/ 15 Constitution, 19 Willpower, and 17 Cunning (week before nerf) but that was with Fury of the Veil and ok accessories.
 
Of course Geth Scanner made soloing significantly more accessible in ME3, but it wasn't quite automatic.

Good point which is why i'm reluctant to mention skill in ME3. Reegar Kroguard vs Geth was very compromising for players unfamiliar with the core mechanics. Still ME3 did have units who could sinc-kill you which did require a level of awareness even with that setup

[Spin-Orbit]

This is not ME3 last time I checked.

[Yumi]

I wrote the guide on how to make build guides. So essentially everyone of you owes me every piece of stolen self esteem and e-peen.

Crown me for I am your God.

[Akir388]

This is not ME3 last time I checked.

You don't say!

People are just discussing how ME3 MP required way more skill to solo compared to this game.

[sonofbarak]

Once again this is not ME3

[monicasubzero]

Well, you should try a Kroguard solo against Geth equipping the Acolyte and use all the upgrade for melee damage in Biotic Charge and Fitness. It requires only one skill: aim the Geth Prime! Everything else is already dust. (I want to point out that this is not my build!)

[F_e_princess]

Whats the point of discussing what 1% of the player base is doing.  Discussing what the other 99% are would be more useful.

 

Lol @ "world record".  Hope hes waiting at home for when guiness calls.  Errr nm I'm guessing hes home

[Hellsteeth30]

I wrote the guide on how to make build guides. So essentially everyone of you owes me every piece of stolen self esteem and e-peen.

Crown me for I am your God.

I will send you a gift of a soiled underwear hamper from an STD clinic.

Probably an idea not to open it.

Oh and no, I have no idea why they collected the underwear. I chose not to ask.

Also. You write stuff down for others to learn from!? What is this madness? If we'd stop writing stuff down we could still be in the dark ages and none of this affair would have occurred.

[apocalypse_owl]

Once again this is not ME3

 

I think its fair to compare two multiplayer platforms considering they are both: 

 

• Made by bioware
• The first attempt at a multiplayer in a previously single player only game
• Share a lot of core systems (pack system with premium option, free dlc, 4 player coop etc)

 

So no, this is not ME3 but its the only thing we can currently compare DAIMP too.

[Alan Drifter13]

You could solo GOLD on ME3 with the Krogan Vanguard against Geth with your eyes closed. Apart from that, I agree with OP.

[sonofbarak]

I hear what you saying but.... if all you guys that love the skill of ME3 go play it. Stop playing DAIMP and go have fun:)

[apocalypse_owl]

Lol @ "world record".  Hope hes waiting at home for when guiness calls.  Errr nm I'm guessing hes home

 

Lol @ you thinking that the video title is anything other than clickbait. Penguin is a youtube partner, so views and clicks = ad money. 

 

Well, you should try a Kroguard solo against Geth equipping the Acolyte and use all the upgrade for melee damage in Biotic Charge and Fitness. It requires only one skill: aim the Geth Prime! Everything else is already dust. (I want to point out that this is not my build!)

 

You will be hearing from my lawyer (Yumi) shortly. Copyrighted builds are no joke On a serious note though, while you are right, try attempting the same build vs praetorians, scions or phantoms, you will have a much much worse time, even with the exact same loadout, indicating that you can't just steamroll everything with one kit.

[Yumi]

Did you watch the video? What skill is displayed other than running at enemies and hitting them?

Running at enemies and hitting them sounds Fun to me . That being said, I understand yours and Penguins' point.

But a deeper question is: does it matter?


Edited for lack of bolding skills on mobile

[Wavebend]

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[Alan Drifter13]

I hear what you saying but.... if all you guys that love the skill of ME3 go play it. Stop playing DAIMP and go have fun:)

 

Just like playing games is just for fun, discussing (and comparing) games is also just for fun 

 

It's all good, the fact that one game wins the comparison doesn't mean we will throw the other one out the window.

[Gya]

So no, this is not ME3 but its the only thing we can currently compare DAIMP too.

I'd compare DAIMP to Lego. When you start out, you don't have many promotes or gear i.e. Lego bricks, and you can't do much. As you gain more promotes and gear/Lego bricks, you can do more and more fun stuff. But then you get too many promotes and gear/Lego bricks, and it gets boring.

TL;DR Lego OP, pls nerf.

[Hellsteeth30]

I think what we need is K/D ratio added.

The TRUE mark of skill.

DISCLAIMER: Due to the excessive sarcasm above, viewer discression is advised.

[Beerfish]

Serious question then Beerfish - have you seen anyone solo Perilous with hardly any promotions and using Inquisition weapons? In ME3 I have people solo with an Avenger on Platinum (bear in mind they dont have the nice 85% DR that some DAMP solo'ers have). The people who solo'ed couldnt simply walk into a spawn mindlessly with an avenger. They would have to pick when to hold and when to move, kiting enemies so that they dont get flanked or even due to objective like devices. That required a great deal of precision, I have not seen anything like that in DAMP.

Just to be clear I wouldnt consider ME3 that dependent on skill but it certainly requires a lot more than DAMP

My comment about much like ME3mp was not related to soloing that game as opposed to this.  My comments about Me3mp was to do with people of a high skill becoming so accustomed to playing with that skill that they stop relating to the average player.

 

An example would the classic 'The Reegar is easy win mode!'  or 'Just shoot them in the head with the Javelin!'

 

Both games are very dependent on skill and we get a skewed view of skill for the majority of the people.

 

I can just about guarantee you that if I was given the Avarr, spec'd as shown and with all the attributes as shown that I would not be able to solo perilous without a very mighty struggle and probably many game attempts.