People are indeed horrible. I saw something on Memorial Day, something I really wish I hadn't, that reminded me of that fact.
Seems like they're just using the tired, cynical argument about the many vs. the few here. I especially like the thread about the African children. African children always seem to be used as a rationale of why people in the West shouldn't enjoy themselves, eat, or apparently make nice gestures to our own sick children.
The issue with this is who gets to decide who's bigoted/racist. You can stretch and twist those words pretty far. Some of the crazies on places like Tumblr are doing that as we speak. Surely you wouldn't want people like that to control the school system.
Anyone with common sense can see the difference.
And common sense is what needs to be taught at school and be promoted by parental guiding. The ability to think, to weight facts, alternatives and consequences against each other and the ability to independently decide for yourself instead of accepting others decisions when you feel they are wrong as well as the ability to reflect on decisions and if necessary reevaluate. And then, the ability to act on those conclusions, to change!
Common sense has to become common already. Reciting facts, doing math equations, etc. is great if we need drones to fill factories or bureaus, but what society needs to become something better is the ability to think critically and the ability to act on that instead of simply letting itself get washed away by the stream.
Right now, there's too many people that just do what they've been told to do without thinking for themselves. And in the everpresent social evolutionary process, the mass makes the man and individuals that confront the social norm, that want to change get opposed. Not because people decided that the result of that change is bad, but because the change itself is bad. When enough people developed the ability to reflect independently, the society as a whole can become malleable again. Likewise is the chance that such a society degenerates in some form of warped evil or whatever decreasing proportionally with the amount of people that can think critically.
Anyone with common sense can see the difference.
And common sense is what needs to be taught at school and be promoted by parental guiding. The ability to think, to weight facts, alternatives and consequences against each other and the ability to independently decide for yourself instead of accepting others decisions when you feel they are wrong as well as the ability to reflect on decisions and if necessary reevaluate. And then, the ability to act on those conclusions, to change!
Common sense has to become common already. Reciting facts, doing math equations, etc. is great if we need drones to fill factories or bureaus, but what society needs to become something better is the ability to think critically and the ability to act on that instead of simply letting itself get washed away by the stream.
Right now, there's too many people that just do what they've been told to do without thinking for themselves. And in the everpresent social evolutionary process, the mass makes the man and individuals that confront the social norm, that want to change get opposed. Not because people decided that the result of that change is bad, but because the change itself is bad. When enough people developed the ability to reflect independently, the society as a whole can become malleable again. Likewise is the chance that such a society degenerates in some form of warped evil or whatever decreasing proportionally with the amount of people that can think critically.
Anyone with common sense can tell the difference, sure. The danger comes in when people start stretching the definition, and suddenly you're a bigot for politically opposing someone.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but there's danger when you start trying to define and eliminate things like bigotry and racism.
I'm not trying to define bigotry. I'm outlining a social environment where bigotry would be paradoxical. Sure enough, you can't eliminate animousity alltogether, our own bodies physically don't work like that.
And the very nature of our perception will always create bias that can lead to false conclusions. But an environment where thinking things through and reflecting on decisions is a common ground, I find it hard to believe any sort of hostility could grow to problematic scales like we face it right now.
Then again, I can't know, we never had such a society before, but I think it's worth a try and well past the point where the current society NEEDS a change.
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Im having a bit of trouble following this train of thought given the strict controlled environment you first proposed to get us to the point of individualistic integrity you're preaching now.
In order to raise a new generation kf free thinkers, we have to isolate them from any non-approved people or ideas of previous generations until they die, and only then allow them into society In order for their creativity and reason to let thsm stand up for themselves?
It's contradictory the way I understand it, exerting huge control doesn't build rarional confrontationalism.
Erm, what?
In order to raise a new generation kf free thinkers, we have to isolate them from any non-approved people or ideas of previous generations until they die, and only then allow them into society In order for their creativity and reason to let thsm stand up for themselves?
I never proposed such a thing. What I had said in very first post is that we need a competent education system that actually teaches stuff that parents are supposed to teach their kids in order to pick up the slack from parents that simply don't do their job right. The other part of it was simply outlining that it would require a couple generations to result in tangible change because the social environment would still be largely populated with people who are at large still stupid and unlikely to change that.
I never, ever, said anything about isolating anyone from anything!
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What a coincidence I am disgusted with little people!
The following was a joke, a play on words if you will the poster is in no ways really disgusted or at all unhappy with little people. Cat people is a whole other matter.
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I've come to expect the bottom of the barrel and the lowest of the low when it comes to internet. And really the internet is where people go to drop their facade and show you their true colors (either that or they get drunk). So basically the internet is really just humanity in it's most honest and true form and it isn't a pretty sight. Some people dismiss it as trolling but even a troll has an agenda when it comes to who they troll and how they troll.
Honestly Redhead is so naive I'd swear they were born yesterday
Honestly Redhead is so naive I'd swear they were born yesterday
Not so much naive as overly optimistic about humanity.
Honestly Redhead is so naive I'd swear they were born yesterday
Calling out shitty behavior on the internet is not being naive. Most of us are just so used to people being borderline evil when they are online that we have grown numb to it and say "oh well it's just the internet, or it's just trolling" doesn't justify it. It is good when every once in a while someone comes along and calls people out for it.
Now I admit I have trolled people, called them names, and stirred up trouble online but there are lines that are never to be crossed. Being an ass about a kid that had cancer is one of those lines. It is also why I never post very much personal information about myself online.
Not so much naive as overly optimistic about humanity.
I try to be pessimistic, that way when I'm wrong I'm pleasantly surprised, and when I'm right, I expect it. People are terrible, history is littered with examples, give them the ability to talk to literally almost anyone in the world without having to disclose their personal information to said people, and they'll let loose any restraint.
Not that I think it's a bad thing, better to have bad behaviour out with on the internet than excersized in real life
Calling out shitty behavior on the internet is not being naive. Most of us are just so used to people being borderline evil when they are online that we have grown numb to it and say "oh well it's just the internet, or it's just trolling" doesn't justify it. It is good when every once in a while someone comes along and calls people out for it.
Now I admit I have trolled people, called them names, and stirred up trouble online but there are lines that are never to be crossed. Being an ass about a kid that had cancer is one of those lines. It is also why I never post very much personal information about myself online.
It is just the internet, it barely affects us, see it, be displeased, move on, it's not good behaviour, don't quote me saying that it is, but if approached in real life, they wouldn't share that same opinion 9 times out of 10.
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I've come to expect the bottom of the barrel and the lowest of the low when it comes to internet. And really the internet is where people go to drop their facade and show you their true colors (either that or they get drunk). So basically the internet is really just humanity in it's most honest and true form and it isn't a pretty sight. Some people dismiss it as trolling but even a troll has an agenda when it comes to who they troll and how they troll.
I really wish people would stop with that misconception already. Just because a persons inhibition is lowered when they drink alcohol does not mean that they suddenly show their "true" selves. They are more likely to say/do things that they normally wouldn't, but that has nothing to do with them "dropping the facade".
It would also indicates that EVERYONE (that includes you) is a completely fake PoS.
I really wish people would stop with that misconception already. Just because a persons inhibition is lowered when they drink alcohol does not mean that they suddenly show their "true" selves. They are more likely to say/do things that they normally wouldn't, but that has nothing to do with them "dropping the facade".
It would also indicates that EVERYONE (that includes you) is a completely fake PoS.
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