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[MadMadCarl]

I'm just realized that according to WoT vol 2 morrigan has at least three sisters, we already know the antivan and the book speaks of rumors of witches in orlais and nevarra, my question is probably the same than the other people have, why the hell flemeth just picked her youngest, dumbest and paranoiac daughter as heir? she is probably the only one who had tried to kill her mother and solas claim that she really does not understand or cannot understand what she is trying to do.

 

my first thought is that maybe the others already have something special? mythals sons were anduril, falon'din and dirthamen, they are three just like the remaining witches, but i am not sure, because people is saying that sera is anduril. another option could be that they are reborned archdemons? flemeth had to practice that before sent morrigan to make her demigod baby true?

[Taki17]

The only other daughter of Flemeth we know of is Yavana and she's tasked with guarding those dragons, but Alistair kills her in the comic. I belive the others have similar tasks too, and Morrigan was always intended to be the heir. I imagine the others were needed for those tasks first, and Flemeth herself was a lot younger then, so choosing an heir wasn't an immediate concern, but when she felt the time of the mortal body was running out (if it is the same body of the original Flemeth who was posessed my Mythal centuries ago, I imagine the lifespan can only be extended by a limited ammount of time even by advanced magic), she decided its time to get someone who can takeover her "essence of godhood".

 

Sera is Andruil? U wot m8?

[MadMadCarl]

I dunno, solas´ body has to be older than flemeth´s, yet he seems to be young and healthy, same with yavana, she should be on her thirth-fourth century of life? and flemeth herself can put a part of soul in a common necklace and come back without actually requiring a body to do so, so if you did not kill her, she had two bodies at the same time.

 

i wonder if flemeth taught her older daughters to do the same, or if yavana is really dead with no way to come back.

[Drasanil]

Sera is Andruil? U wot m8?

 

So claim some of the forum's tinfoil hat people. I wouldn't pay it any heed. 

[Taki17]

So claim some of the forum's tinfoil hat people. I wouldn't pay it any heed. 

That's what I thought. Its not just dumb, its some kind of advanced dumb.

[Taki17]

I dunno, solas´ body has to be older than flemeth´s, yet he seems to be young and healthy, same with yavana, she should be on her thirth-fourth century of life? and flemeth herself can put a part of soul in a common necklace and come back without actually requiring a body to do so, so if you did not kill her, she had two bodies at the same time.

 

i wonder if flemeth taught her older daughters to do the same, or if yavana is really dead with no way to come back.

Solas spent a lots of time (probably centuries) in uthenera, exploring the Fade. According to the lore, there were some among the ancient elves who could enter uthenera without their bodies decaying, and considering that Solas has Fen'Harel inside him and probably knows almost everything there is to know about elven magic, he could very well be among those who could sleep without the fear of losing his body in the real world.

 

Flemeth might have been doing the same, periodically awakening to raise a daughter or get involved in historical events then going back to sleep. There's nothing to indicate that only elves can master the uthenera after all, and Flemeth has Mythal helping her.

 

I don't know about Yavana, and I don't remember anything about how old she could be. Maybe she lives as long as a normal person, and Flemeth awakend in every century to have a daughter who would watch over the dragons. Or she might be extending her own lifespan by some unknown magic or dragon stuff. No idea.

[Lethaya]

I dunno, solas´ body has to be older than flemeth´s, yet he seems to be young and healthy, same with yavana, she should be on her thirth-fourth century of life? and flemeth herself can put a part of soul in a common necklace and come back without actually requiring a body to do so, so if you did not kill her, she had two bodies at the same time.

 

i wonder if flemeth taught her older daughters to do the same, or if yavana is really dead with no way to come back.

 

Assuming Solas is an ancient elf, and that some ancient elves like Abelas and co have retained their immortality, it makes sense. Flemeth uses a human body, and humans expire. We have no way of knowing how old Yavana is, really, but I doubt she was nearly as ancient as her mother. Blood magic can be used to extend life, for instance, look at Avernus. Yavana became a known player starting during Maric's youth, so she would most likely be in her fifties or sixties when she met Alistair, assuming she was around 20-25 when Maric was told to go meet her eventually by Flemeth. Yavana's lifespan could span from her 40s to entire centuries. Hard to pin a number down.

 

I'm thinking Mythal is what allows Flemeth to return. Mythal was murdered, for instance - didn't get rid of her, though.

[Taki17]

Assuming Solas is an ancient elf, and that some ancient elves like Abelas and co have retained their immortality.

 

Blood magic can be used to extend life, for instance, look at Avernus.

Abelas is not immortal, he and the other temple guardians enter some kind of stasis (probably uthenera) and only awaken when the temple is threatened.

 

Avernus is a Grey Warden and he used the Taint to extend his lifespan. I don't think the same thing would work with non-Wardens or non-Tainted people.

[Lethaya]

Very true, though I'm still curious about the quickening myself... hmm.

 

Oh, I doubt (if her life is extended at all) that her methods would be the same. Merely pointing out an example - if anyone would know of a way to extend a human's lifespan, it'd be Flemeth and her ilk.

[Taki17]

Now that I think of it, the only true immortal character is Xenon the antiquarian who was made immortal by "a powerful witch". Could that be Flemeth or any of her daughters? And if so, what kind of magic could they have used, as it made Xenon immortal, but his body continued to decay.

[Andromelek]

Maybe they know how to use the magic to remain in this world, souls seems to be spirits after all, so they can keep the souls but they need other means to still moving, Flemeth and Solas could use their divine power to help (Solas has been sleeping for centuries so he has no reason to be really older) Yavana could use the same spell on Xenon, but her way to keep youth and beauty could have been achieved by binding her Dragon, on that way I think they should share lifespan and could be a ticket to come back for Yavana.

EDIT:I'm uncertain of why Morrigan was chosen rather than her sisters, the legend claims that Flemeth's daughters turned against her, Yavana seems to be innocent from this, but one of the others (if not both) had to be the reason of that part of the story.

[Lethaya]

Now that I think of it, the only true immortal character is Xenon the antiquarian who was made immortal by "a powerful witch". Could that be Flemeth or any of her daughters? And if so, what kind of magic could they've been used, as it made Xenon immortal, but his body continued to decay.

 

It could very well be Yavana - all we really know is that the Witch was from Antiva, like her (though to be honest I don't think she's quite that old XD). But yeah, I would defintelly assume it was one of the Witches of the Wilds.
 

[myahele]

Possible that she might be Maric's daughter. Which means that Morrigan will also have Great Dragon blood, so that'll make her especially suitable for somebody like Flemythal

[Taki17]

Possible that she might be Maric's daughter. Which means that Morrigan will also have Great Dragon blood, so that'll make her especially suitable for somebody like Flemythal

That would make the Dark Ritual scene with Alistair rather awkward. But nevertheless, House Lannister approves.

[Drasanil]

Possible that she might be Maric's daughter. Which means that Morrigan will also have Great Dragon blood, so that'll make her especially suitable for somebody like Flemythal

 

That would potentially make Kieran the child of incest, lol. Don't think Bioware would go there, but who knows. 

[Andromelek]

Possible that she might be Maric's daughter. Which means that Morrigan will also have Great Dragon blood, so that'll make her especially suitable for somebody like Flemythal

Two problems there; First, instead of risking Yavana's life by dealing with the dumbest being of Thedas who also hates mages, they could save a lot of time by introducing Yavana and Morrigan then the Dragons would be fine, Yavana would not even had to take the pain of being stabbed and Morrigan would inherit Mythal's godhood with no issues.

Second, Morrigan and Alistair would be incest, and that's something that Bioware has not dared to do in the whole franchise.

[MadMadCarl]

I also doubt that part of morrigan being daugher of maric, in fact something puzzles me, flemeth and fake andraste did attack alistair with no problem, so he truly cant smell funny for dragons

[Tayah]

I'm just realized that according to WoT vol 2 morrigan has at least three sisters, we already know the antivan and the book speaks of rumors of witches in orlais and nevarra, my question is probably the same than the other people have, why the hell flemeth just picked her youngest, dumbest and paranoiac daughter as heir? she is probably the only one who had tried to kill her mother and solas claim that she really does not understand or cannot understand what she is trying to do.

 

my first thought is that maybe the others already have something special? mythals sons were anduril, falon'din and dirthamen, they are three just like the remaining witches, but i am not sure, because people is saying that sera is anduril. another option could be that they are reborned archdemons? flemeth had to practice that before sent morrigan to make her demigod baby true?

Firstly Andruil is a female and possibly the daughter of Mythal but female none the less as she is the goddess of hunting. Secondly like others have said Sera being Andruil is someone's theory and unlikely to be the case.

 

As for the question I'm not sure what happened to all Flemeth's other daughters or why Morrigan was chosen though I'm inclined to doubt Alistair really succeeded in killing Yavena because that family is far more unusual than that. There was an interview around the time of Origins launch in which Kate Mulgrew mentioned her character Flemeth did take over the bodies of her daughters so it may be that her current body was not the original Flemeth that Mythal joined but rather one of her descendants and that each one before Morrigan had accepted Mythal willingly. Morrigan seems to have misunderstood what Flemeth was and intended and Flemeth was perfectly happy with her doing so perhaps because she wanted her daughter to be wary at the very least as there are plenty of potential enemies for both 'Flemeth witch of the wilds' and 'Mythal'.  Maybe she also wanted Morrigan to be on her guard as it might inspire Morrigan to search for more magic and information (which she did) thus improving the knowledge base Mythal would then have to work with.