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[Suron]

There's really not much I "hate" about ME...in general I love it. 

 

However; Things I dislike to downright "hate"

 

The Starchild and the ending "choices"  I remember BioWare stating in an interview that they wanted an "epic" ending and NOT have the ending come down to paragon/neut/renegade choices....which is EXACTLY what they did.

 

The "retcon" of the Reapers into nothing more than servants. 

 

The absurdity of the starchilds "solution" and how it makes absolutely NO sense and is anything BUT "preserving organic life"

 

The Lazarus project and Shepards death.  Completely asinine and unnecessary.  They could have accomplilshed the same thing (working for Cerberus) in a number of different ways that didn't hurt the integrity of the ME universe.

 

The Asari being nothing more than a perverts alien wet-dream.  Which is funny because I generally like the Asari and love Liara (she's my "canon" romance)  But they make no sense.  They somehow evolved into a human-like female form, with all the familiar attributes found attractive on women despite there being no males or any reason "nature" would cause them to evolve that way.  Again I love them, but when you actually think about their race...they hurt the brain of anyone with more than two brain cells...

 

Thermal Clip "upgrades" - I actually prefer having to use thermal clips/ammo as opposed to ME1's  but lore-wise it makes no sense that the guns wouldn't default back to their "lower powered" function (almost unlimited ammo but weaker shots) if you ran out of clips.  It makes no sense whatsoever.  They should have just "retconned" the Codex to reflect weapons always used thermal clips and pretend the unlimited ammo in ME1 never existed in lore.

 

Those said, that's enough for now, I absolutely LOVE ME.  And I replay all 3 of them all the time and still play ME3 multiplayer quite often.  I love the universe and races...but there are definitely some decisions that severely hurt the game.

[fraggle]

I dunno, I mean, I don't have a problem with him being bisexual, it's just that it felt like it came out of nowhere. I mean, they never really hint at it, his stories he tells you in ME1 involves him liking a girl, and in ME1 he only romances women.

 

That's because he was too shy to confess to MShep

 

Now, honestly... yeah, we know they made him bi only in ME3, but overall for a person, if someone prefers one gender it does not mean he or she can't be into the same sex as well. People are complex and I'm sure there are enough people that prefer the opposite sex, but wouldn't mind if it's the same sex they fall for (you can't choose who to love).

[dorktainian]

Mass Effect 1's Mako's suspension.

Liara T'soni.

Samantha Traynor.

Helmets on/off

cutscenes showing you with basic weapons, not the super upgraded stuff you've spent hours saving up to pay for.

anything to do with Starjar.

Cerberus troops being as accurate as Imperial Stormtroopers.

Udina.

Not arming the whole fleet with cains during the final mission.

Mass Effect 3 fetch quests.

The Geth.

The Quarians.

Forced romances.

Ashleys Plastic Surgery.

The citadel Council.

The editing in Mass Effect 3 between gameplay and cutscenes can be choppy.

Load times on anything but the PC.

The PC version not having a kick ass graphics option.

2D Sprites...

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Why not? This was a series that at several times didn't adhere to it's own lore. It doesn't seem like much of stretch that the reason could be that the writers just didn't know.

 

I can understand the writers forgetting some small details that overzealous fans happen to remember or things that got lost in the carryover between games...

 

.... Neither of those things are what I am responding to here, though. Here, we have someone saying that nobody brings attention to the questionable eyes of TIM because the writers goofed. So, the claim is that the same writer who supposedly were trying to show us that TIM is indoctrinated (to say nothing of claiming that the guy was under mind-control for three decades and stayed lucid) also neglected to give the player the option to ever raise issue with something that is supposed to set off alarm-bells with us (not to mention, the character who is so intimately familiar with the Reapers and starts ME2 from a distrustful position with the man in question).

 

It's not a small detail lost in the thick of things. TIM is, in fact, the favorite character of both the series' director and lead writer, so this is not something they would have been careless about. It's not even like this "mistake" would be the result of ME2-->ME3 carryover, either, because the issue begins in ME2 from the moment we meet him. Are you trying to tell me that Mac forgot something he wrote within the very same iteration he had written it for? I get that the guy is anything but perfect, but give me a break. That excuse is far-fetched to say the least.

 

Or, you can defer to my more reasonable explanation: Shepard does not bring it up because they do not mean anything in the way of indoctrination.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Oh, here's another fun fact for you guys...

 

... after TIM has been shot dead by Shepard, the lights of the Reaper implants in TIM's face power off....

 

... YET HIS EYES REMAIN LIT!!!!

[Vazgen]

I can understand the writers forgetting some small details that overzealous fans happen to remember or things that got lost in the carryover between games...

 

.... Neither of those things are what I am responding to here, though. Here, we have someone saying that nobody brings attention to the questionable eyes of TIM because the writers goofed. So, the claim is that the same writer who supposedly were trying to show us that TIM is indoctrinated (to say nothing of claiming that the guy was under mind-control for three decades and stayed lucid) also neglected to give the player the option to ever raise issue with something that is supposed to set off alarm-bells with us (not to mention, the character who is so intimately familiar with the Reapers and starts ME2 from a distrustful position with the man in question).

 

It's not a small detail lost in the thick of things. TIM is, in fact, the favorite character of both the series' director and lead writer, so this is not something they would have been careless about. It's not even like this "mistake" would be the result of ME2-->ME3 carryover, either, because the issue begins in ME2 from the moment we meet him. Are you trying to tell me that Mac forgot something he wrote within the very same iteration he had written it for? I get that the guy is anything but perfect, but give me a break. That excuse is far-fetched to say the least.

 

Or, you can defer to my more reasonable explanation: Shepard does not bring it up because they do not mean anything in the way of indoctrination.

You might want to actually read what I've written past the first sentence.

 

The only argument I'm making about TIM's eyes is that they appear that way due to interaction with a Reaper artifact which is supported by lore. I don't think of the eyes as being a sign of indoctrination. There are other hints at him being indoctrinated or starting to getting indoctrinated due to the interaction with the Reaper artifact.

[GalacticWolf5]

I dunno, I mean, I don't have a problem with him being bisexual, it's just that it felt like it came out of nowhere. I mean, they never really hint at it, his stories he tells you in ME1 involves him liking a girl, and in ME1 he only romances women.

He talks about one girl. But I don't see your point here, being bisexual means you like both males and females, so him talking about a girl doesn't mean he's straight. Just because he doesn't mention a guy in ME1, doesn't mean he isnt bi.

Again, not every character has to fall for Shepard right off the bat. IMO, it makes much more sense for him to be romanceable by MShep in ME3 only.

[alienatedflea]

He talks about one girl. But I don't see your point here, being bisexual means you like both males and females, so him talking about a girl doesn't mean he's straight. Just because he doesn't mention a guy in ME1, doesn't mean he isnt bi.

Again, not every character has to fall for Shepard right off the bat. IMO, it makes much more sense for him to be romanceable by MShep in ME3 only.

But you don't understand my point, Kaidan was a very different in ME3 than ME1.  There is no reason for him to be so emotional after all he has seen in Virmire and Horizon as well as his long time complications of his bionic implants...he would have a toughen approach of things.  I guess they (Bioware) thought it would be funny to put Kaidan's badass he-man ways into Vega and put a little girl personality into Kaidan as a replacement.  My point is his change in sexual orientation wasn't the only thing that changed about him.  All I am asking for is consistency in character writing in the next planned trilogy they do.

[Fixers0]

Obviously, Kaidan in ME1 is straight as he ever only romances a female Shepard and he never shows any romantical attraction to a male Shepard, Speculation on whether or not the writers intended him for to be bi in ME1 to completely futile. The fact of the Matters remains that he's a female only romance in ME1. At best we can deduce that the writers thought that Kaidan should be Straight in ME1 and bi in ME3. 

[Vazgen]

IIRC both Ash and Kaidan had lines for same sex romance in ME1 voiced by Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer respectively. Obviously, they never ended up in the game.

[fraggle]

Obviously, Kaidan in ME1 is straight as he ever only romances a female Shepard and he never shows any romantical attraction to a male Shepard, Speculation on whether or not the writers intended him for to be bi in ME1 to completely futile. The fact of the Matters remains that he's a female only romance in ME1. At best we can deduce that the writers thought that Kaidan should be Straight in ME1 and bi in ME3. 

 

Yep, that seems to be the case. But you can pretty much interpret everything the way you want with what's given. If a player decides Kaidan was already into men in ME1, why the hell not, they're entitled to it There's nothing that contradicts that anyway.

 

IIRC both Ash and Kaidan had lines for same sex romance in ME1 voiced by Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer respectively. Obviously, they never ended up in the game.

 

I think I've read somewhere they accidentally never flagged the romance scenes lines as male or female, so both VAs recorded them. Or something like that

[Iakus]

 

I think I've read somewhere they accidentally never flagged the romance scenes lines as male or female, so both VAs recorded them. Or something like that

Yes.  It was apparently easier to simply  have Meer and Hale voice all the lines than go back and hunt through the script for the male or female exclusive lines and mark them as such.

[Batarian Master Race]

Obviously, Kaidan in ME1 is straight as he ever only romances a female Shepard and he never shows any romantical attraction to a male Shepard, Speculation on whether or not the writers intended him for to be bi in ME1 to completely futile. The fact of the Matters remains that he's a female only romance in ME1. At best we can deduce that the writers thought that Kaidan should be Straight in ME1 and bi in ME3. 

 

Kaiden doesn't show his emotions too often; it's a part of who he is. And the chances of Shepard returning his affections are far higher if Shep is female. Therefore, it makes sense for Kaiden to be a female-only romance in ME1 while still being bisexual.

 

The ME community doesn't really understand bisexuals all too well, it seems. Look at the Jack-is-straight fiasco in ME2.

[GalacticWolf5]

But you don't understand my point, Kaidan was a very different in ME3 than ME1.  There is no reason for him to be so emotional after all he has seen in Virmire and Horizon as well as his long time complications of his bionic implants...he would have a toughen approach of things.

 

Kaidan wasn't that different from ME1. Characters develop, it's normal.

 

I guess they (Bioware) thought it would be funny to put Kaidan's badass he-man ways into Vega and put a little girl personality into Kaidan as a replacement.

 

Kaidan certainly doesn't have the personality of a little girl.

 

My point is his change in sexual orientation wasn't the only thing that changed about him.  All I am asking for is consistency in character writing in the next planned trilogy they do.

 

If his ''change in sexual orientation'' really bothers you, just don't buy him the bottle when he's at the hospital. This way he never hits on you and he never even mentions any other guy. You'll be free the headcanon that he's straight.

 

Kaidan is a very consistent character btw.

[Iakus]

   All I am asking for is consistency in character writing in the next planned trilogy they do.

As an Ashley fan, I can certainly sympathize with this.

[Suron]

He talks about one girl. But I don't see your point here, being bisexual means you like both males and females, so him talking about a girl doesn't mean he's straight. Just because he doesn't mention a guy in ME1, doesn't mean he isnt bi.

Again, not every character has to fall for Shepard right off the bat. IMO, it makes much more sense for him to be romanceable by MShep in ME3 only.

 

Hey I'm all for gay/bi characters, male or female, in games.  No reason NOT to have them.  However they HAVE to be done right.  Steve and Traynor are good examples...Kaiden is not.  It doesn't fit his personality up to the point of ME3.  He was made "bi" for the sake of being bi.  And it shows.  His ME3 persona is vastly different than his ME1 persona.  It's like what BioWare did to Anders from Awakening to DA2...It's just bad writing and how gay/bi characters should NOT be handled.

 

A characters sexuality (if it's gonna be a "thing" via romance options) needs to make sense and be consistent...Kaiden (like Anders) is NOT.  I have no issues with Traynor or Steve being gay.  I do have an issue with Kaiden being bi..not because I have anything against bisexuals or homosexuals..but because it feels forced and completely alters his character.  It's bad.  Very bad.

[fraggle]

Kaidan certainly doesn't have the personality of a little girl.

 

Not only that, but imo James has more issues than Kaidan.

James is very emotional behind that image of a tank. He's vulnerable and still hasn't gotten over what happened at Fehl Prime. It's so bad he ran away and hoped not to be found before ME3, then there's this incident when he recklessly crashed the shuttle on Mars, and he questions himself and his leadership abilities.

[aoibhealfae]

There's also hidden romance dialogues between FemShep and Tali in ME2 and FemShep flirting with Tali at Geth Dreadnought. I think they created Traynor in ME3 instead of opening romance option for Tali because they thought its a bad idea to have all your female alien squadmates to be bisexual while none of the male aliens was romanceable for BroShep.

 

I think Kaidan seems a lot kinder and open now because that's his coping mechanism and honestly, he's pretty alpha male to me. But I was disappointed when I found out that BroShep was piggybacking on FemShep's Kaidan romance arc and there's no additional scenes unique for him. When the scenes converge for either Sheps, its really obvious that Sbarge was addressing to Hale rather than Meer. And what's wrong with a kiss scene for either Sheps at the Apollo's Cafe? 

 

But it was interesting to see BroShep borrowing FemShep's animations instead of vice versa. 

[monicasubzero]

IMO the biggest plothole of all the trilogy is: why the hell is there a Human Reaper at the end of the Suicide Mission? I've never understood why the Collectors were creating a Reaper when we know later (ME3) that a new Reaper is created after the destruction of all the advanced life in the galaxy and that the new Reaper has the essence of the race/races wiped and the look of the first Reaper. 

 

All the tension at the end of the battle on the Earth doesn't exist. There's no way to manage the team to get different results (like in the Suicide Mission at the end of ME2). 

 

The dreams: pointless. Are they really dreams?

 

Stupid Asari who exactly know what's going on and then they cry when the Reapers get to Thessia. Always a "I-told-you-so" moment!

[Vazgen]

IMO the biggest plothole of all the trilogy is: why the hell is there a Human Reaper at the end of the Suicide Mission? I've never understood why the Collectors were creating a Reaper when we know later (ME3) that a new Reaper is created after the destruction of all the advanced life in the galaxy and that the new Reaper has the essence of the race/races wiped and the look of the first Reaper. 

The Reaper is created from each harvested race. One race is deemed the most important and results in a capital Reaper ship. Others are deemed secondary and end up as Destroyers. The outside shape is the same for all Reapers of the same class but inside the shell there are "pilots" - Reaper core in a shape of a harvested race. So human Reaper would've ended up in a cuttlefish form with a human Reaper inside of it. 

[GalacticWolf5]

It doesn't fit his personality up to the point of ME3.

 

Oh, I wasn't aware that gay/bi people had a specific kind of personality.

 

P.S: It's Kaidan

[dreamgazer]

Why the hell would a Colonist, Spacer, or even Earthborn Shepard care about Earth?

Because of how significant the capital, homeworld, and central hub of humanity is?

[Fixers0]

Because of how significant the capital, homeworld, and central hub of humanity is?

 

Because Earth really is not that significant. In fact earth's strategic value in the ME universe's is incredibly poor.

[Vazgen]

Aren't N7 special forces trained on Earth?

[dreamgazer]

Because Earth really is not that significant. In fact earth's strategic value in the ME universe's is incredibly poor.

Unpack your opinion on that for me, if you don't mind. Because the Codex plainly indicates otherwise.