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[Display Name Owner]

There was always a knowledge among the writers that the treatment of AIs in Council Space is pure racism on the part of organics, akin to the legal and moral handwavings used throughout history to justify slavery of "lesser races."    Chris L'Etoile

 

Uh... doesn't that hit a bit of a snag when the Rannoch arc ends with the Geth being 'uplifted' through the act of becoming more like organics? The implication that they were inferior (or, a "lesser race") as they were originally was one of the things that annoyed me about that arc. The complete flip around in the Geth's portrayal between 2 and 3 kind of implies there wasn't any kind of consensus among the writers on how to handle AIs.

 

Anyway, I just looked it up and Chris L'Etoile didn't work on ME3 so I can't blame the Geth's writing on him, but I'm not keen on that implication at all. If you view the AI issue any way but this way, you're probably a little bit racist. ...It's so unfair, I have a great relationship with my various electronics.

 

If it wasn't clear, the plot of the Rannoch arc is one of the things I dislike in the trilogy.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The paragon - renegade system where Shepard is able to solve every problem with her or his silver tongue by talking it to death or yelling at it.

 

Everyone's little problem, and even a renegade "Butcher of Torfan" can receive absolution with a click of the mouse by retrieving the Pillars of Strength.

 

If you turn over Balak to the Alliance, somehow he manages to escape. - I shot him in ME3 just for the hell of it. I had plenty of war assets and didn't need the Batarian fleet. = metagaming for the win.

 

I used throw against my enemy in ME1 when prompted to knock them back. I targeted Sovereign and scored a hit. Why didn't it fall over and die? Why wasn't that the end of the story? It should have been. I still say that alone indicates that Shepard was being indoctrinated, and then that beacon was the last straw. Everything after Eden Prime wasn't real. In reality, the Alliance sent in a team to clean up the wreckage when that 2km tall ship tumbled to the ground.

 

They killed Shepard five times. Once in ME1; once in ME2; three times in ME3.

[Quarian Master Race]

Uh... doesn't that hit a bit of a snag when the Rannoch arc ends with the Geth being 'uplifted' through the act of becoming more like organics? The implication that they were inferior (or, a "lesser race") as they were originally was one of the things that annoyed me about that arc. The complete flip around in the Geth's portrayal between 2 and 3 kind of implies there wasn't any kind of consensus among the writers on how to handle AIs.

 

Anyway, I just looked it up and Chris L'Etoile didn't work on ME3 so I can't blame the Geth's writing on him, but I'm not keen on that implication at all. If you view the AI issue any way but this way, you're probably a little bit racist. ...It's so unfair, I have a great relationship with my various electronics.

 

If it wasn't clear, the plot of the Rannoch arc is one of the things I dislike in the trilogy.

yes, and the cherry on top of the hypocritical cake of pretentious douchebaggery is that the one who points out that the geth have finally achieved "person" status after the conclusion of that arc, who by implication has no issue with the premise that the geth were not life before their anthropomophization is..........

EDI  

they do a better job of undermining their own silly ideology through inconsistent writing than I ever could.

[aoibhealfae]

In fairness to this part, Liara's fixation on the protheans was established from the start of the trilogy, but more importantly, much of what we learn from Javik basically subverts Liara's expertise, which leaves her disillusioned. Heck, Javik even says outright that she "knows very little" about them.

You know nothing, Liara Snow. 

 

I like that the Protheans was a unique mythology specific to Mass Effect verse. I like that you can explore in ME1 and uncover Protheans ruin. Ilos is simply wonderfully creepy. In ME2, you can have a Prothean sphere in your cabin and you can find Prothean beacon through N7 missions and then the final revelation of the Collectors' true origins sort of resolve the What-Happened-to-Protheans biggest mystery in ME1 which is a big deal in the story narrative. 

 

But I can't help but feel disappointed by Javik. He's a character introduced to provide random "in my cycle" expositions to something we had to earn in the past. They had a good Prothean mystery with ME1 and ME2.... and this one fell flat. Leviathan somehow redeemed it for me though.

[aoibhealfae]

yes, and the cherry on top of the hypocritical cake of pretentious douchebaggery is that the one who points out that the geth have finally achieved "person" status after the conclusion of that arc, who by implication has no issue with the premise that the geth were not life before their anthropomophization is..........

EDI  

they do a better job of undermining their own silly ideology through inconsistent writing than I ever could.

 

There's only one true EDI for me

Spoiler

 

I like him a lot... because he's the only renegade on the new ship. He's a little bit of Miranda, Jack, and Zaeed into one. He's also as miserable as I am. And misery loves company.

I have a hate and love relationship with him. But I absolutely adore his evil laughs and sarcasm. He and Joker need more scenes together.

[KaiserShep]

You know nothing, Liara Snow. 

 

I like that the Protheans was a unique mythology specific to Mass Effect verse. I like that you can explore in ME1 and uncover Protheans ruin. Ilos is simply wonderfully creepy. In ME2, you can have a Prothean sphere in your cabin and you can find Prothean beacon through N7 missions and then the final revelation of the Collectors' true origins sort of resolve the What-Happened-to-Protheans biggest mystery in ME1 which is a big deal in the story narrative. 

 

But I can't help but feel disappointed by Javik. He's a character introduced to provide random "in my cycle" expositions to something we had to earn in the past. They had a good Prothean mystery with ME1 and ME2.... and this one fell flat. Leviathan somehow redeemed it for me though.

 

I think what I love about Javik is that he's the exact opposite of what everyone wanted, Liara in particular: a prothean scientist and he's pretty much in everyone's face about it. He had no answers, only a glimpse of what the protheans had to deal when his species was on the brink of annihilation. It's also why his dialogue at London HQ is my favorite of all the squad members. I like how his memory of hopelessness before leaving his cycle behind contrasts with the impending end of the final reaper war.

[Iakus]

yes, and the cherry on top of the hypocritical cake of pretentious douchebaggery is that the one who points out that the geth have finally achieved "person" status after the conclusion of that arc, who by implication has no issue with the premise that the geth were not life before their anthropomophization is..........

EDI  

they do a better job of undermining their own silly ideology through inconsistent writing than I ever could.

I actually liked the geth consensus.  It was a truly alien mindset that set the geth apart from the other Rubber Forehead Aliens in the ME universe.  And whether they could live alongside others was a very good question (not because they were synthetics, but because of their sheer alien-ness)

 

Too bad they became a race of PInocchio wannabes in ME3.  Now you almost expect to hear Legion sing "I Got No Strings" on Rannoch.

[themikefest]

the broker dlc

Thessia

not being able to ask the ME1 characters why they never made any effort to find a way to stop the reapers

the hologram becoming a platform

the platform and Joker relationship

ME2 characters reduced to cameos in ME3

priority Earth

not having more renegade interrupts or at least more harsh dialogue

[CathyMe]

Your choices not mattering was probably the biggest disappointment.


"oh well"?

Shepard cries about Thessia in the aftermath of one mission.

Shepard spends the entire game crying about Earth.

"What, your homeworlds are also under attack? Sorry to hear that! But you have to abandon them and give me your fleets to save the most important planet in the galaxy: Earth!"

Fair enough on that one. I felt rather guilty asking the turians for help when their ships were being disintegrated in front of my eyes. But you have to remember that you still jump through some hoops to get their help.

Shepard doesn't cry about earth the hole game. She, at most, just expresses some concern/frustration that she had to leave at the beginning of the game. Otherwise, a paragon shep can complain about having the fate of the whole galaxy on their shoulders. There is a difference. Not to mention that the asari were the last to be attacked, and refused to help other homeworlds as well, not just earth. Add that to the whole hypocrisy regarding the beacon, the crisis everyone in the galaxy seems to have over thessia, and lack of options for shep to point it out, and the after-math of the thessia mission is as bad as the ending. I actually giggled at Joker's joke regarding dancers. I wish shep could have as well

[Pasquale1234]

Not to mention that the asari were the last to be attacked,

RE Thessia, that's true - but other colonies in asari space were under reaper attack from the beginning. The asari were busy defending their own worlds.
 

the crisis everyone in the galaxy seems to have over thessia,

The issue is that Shepard, the great hope of the galaxy, lost to Kai Leng. That was a huge setback, as the galaxy did not know how to complete the Crucible.

[themikefest]

The issue is that Shepard, the great hope of the galaxy, lost to Kai Leng. That was a huge setback, as the galaxy did not know how to complete the Crucible.

And had the asari revealed that artifact earlier, its possible Shepard might've got the information needed to complete the crucible without facing Kai Leng

[Barquiel]

RE Thessia, that's true - but other colonies in asari space were under reaper attack from the beginning. The asari were busy defending their own worlds.
 

The issue is that Shepard, the great hope of the galaxy, lost to Kai Leng. That was a huge setback, as the galaxy did not know how to complete the Crucible.

I'm pretty sure the salarians were the last to be attacked, and they didn't help either (the asari did actually help at the beginning of the war. We know human colonies were evacuated by asari before Shepard goes to Menae. Just listen to the crazy asari in the hospital. I doubt that was an isolated case.)

[Pasquale1234]

I'm pretty sure the salarians were the last to be attacked, and they didn't help either (the asari did actually help at the beginning of the war. We know human colonies were evacuated by asari before Shepard goes to Menae. Just listen to the crazy asari in the hospital. I doubt that was an isolated case.)

Good point - I'd forgotten about that.

I always found it a bit difficult to listen to her story - although I do visit the hospital frequently, it comes out in bits and pieces.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You know nothing, Liara Snow. 

 

I like that the Protheans was a unique mythology specific to Mass Effect verse. I like that you can explore in ME1 and uncover Protheans ruin. Ilos is simply wonderfully creepy. In ME2, you can have a Prothean sphere in your cabin and you can find Prothean beacon through N7 missions and then the final revelation of the Collectors' true origins sort of resolve the What-Happened-to-Protheans biggest mystery in ME1 which is a big deal in the story narrative. 

 

But I can't help but feel disappointed by Javik. He's a character introduced to provide random "in my cycle" expositions to something we had to earn in the past. They had a good Prothean mystery with ME1 and ME2.... and this one fell flat. Leviathan somehow redeemed it for me though.

 

Yeah, yeah, Javik and in my day I walked 10 miles to school in snow up to my neck.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm pretty sure the salarians were the last to be attacked, and they didn't help either (the asari did actually help at the beginning of the war. We know human colonies were evacuated by asari before Shepard goes to Menae. Just listen to the crazy asari in the hospital. I doubt that was an isolated case.)

 

Actually Nevos was never attacked either. If you go to the planet, there is no "pre-invasion" population listed.

 

We never got to see Mindoir. Why didn't Shepard ever get to see Mindoir?

[themikefest]

Yeah, yeah, Javik and in my day I walked 10 miles to school in snow up to my neck.

I like to have some snow right now or at least the cold. Its hot over here in NC.

[Iakus]

Yeah, yeah, Javik and in my day I walked 10 miles to school in snow up to my neck.

Uphill!  Both ways!

[Ithurael]

the broker dlc

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Not to pry, but why this one?

 

I personally liked it. It had a good range of game play mechanics involving new combat maps with hazards and one of the better boss fights bio designed (not saying much, but still I thought SB and Tela were pretty fun mechanically - though my preference would go to Tela for game play purposes) and really rich visuals. In addition, it had a pretty good character-focused story. Though, to be honest, I thought the Yhag reveal as the SB was kind of silly and detracted the menace and concept of the SB overall.

 

I would like to know your thoughts. Do you have issue with it in game mechanics or narrative? I can see contention dealing with narrative execution. But not so much via game play mechanics. On that I think it was really well made.

[aoibhealfae]

Yeah, yeah, Javik and in my day I walked 10 miles to school in snow up to my neck.

Would love to see snow. Living in tropical area is overrated anyway.

 

Actually Nevos was never attacked either. If you go to the planet, there is no "pre-invasion" population listed.

 

We never got to see Mindoir. Why didn't Shepard ever get to see Mindoir?

imho, Benning should have been Mindoir.

[Display Name Owner]

You know nothing, Liara Snow. 

 

I like that the Protheans was a unique mythology specific to Mass Effect verse. I like that you can explore in ME1 and uncover Protheans ruin. Ilos is simply wonderfully creepy. In ME2, you can have a Prothean sphere in your cabin and you can find Prothean beacon through N7 missions and then the final revelation of the Collectors' true origins sort of resolve the What-Happened-to-Protheans biggest mystery in ME1 which is a big deal in the story narrative. 

 

But I can't help but feel disappointed by Javik. He's a character introduced to provide random "in my cycle" expositions to something we had to earn in the past. They had a good Prothean mystery with ME1 and ME2.... and this one fell flat. Leviathan somehow redeemed it for me though.

 

Liara T'Snow. Benezia's bastid.

 

I never got From Ashes. I've looked up a lot of Javik's scenes and they seem pretty cool, but the reason I never got it when it came out was that I felt like if a Prothean was going to appear, it should've been such a major thing that putting it into a DLC wasn't going to do it justice. It seems that his presence works into unlocking the Thessia beacon nicely, otherwise like you say he's an extra squaddie with some "in my day" stuff to say. The interactions with Liara are nice, I like the way he removes these illusions about the Protheans in general, but yeah. I kind of prefer the Protheans being a mystery.