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[ImaginaryMatter]

It sucks to invest in a series, only to get a general "flavor" of the story meant for Failsheps and noobs. Well that, and the people left happy are the "preferred" fans with all the popular things on their wishlist (Garrus, Liara, etc). I don't understand that. They built up a bigger fanbase, only to take their chances with a core one (and for new people who might not even buy the game).

 

In the end, I ended up latching on to Javik and EDI as my favorite squad. Maybe because they symbolize the most overarching themes of Mass Effect. The Prothean and the AI. If I'm gonna have a stripped down crew, I might as well use the larger-than-life characters.. Nothing else will make up for the ME2 loss.

 

I always had the feeling that the ME3 default was based around the less popular choices, so that content would be viewed by more people. Like, I'm sure they knew Mordin was an extremely popular character and would thus be more likely to be imported over as alive so the other Salarian dude (who they spent a lot of time on) wouldn't get nearly as much screen time unless default Mordin was dead.

[KaiserShep]

The fact that Liara was a required character - She felt optional and there was no reason to even bring her on the ship. Anything she could have done could have been handled by Shiala.

 

The obvious problem here is that this solution is merely a trade of one required character for another, so it just comes down to personal preference between these two asari. Trouble is, one of these two gives us every reason to shoot her dead and leave her corpse in the Thorian's lair. The solution then would simply be to take the option to kill her away from Shepard and you're just forced to rescue her instead, and I reckon that this would just lead to people complaining about Shiala instead of the now nonexistent Liara. 

 

I suppose the next best thing would simply be to scrap the whole Ilos revelation entirely and the Normandy crew just figures the whole thing out by themselves somehow. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The obvious problem here is that this solution is merely a trade of one required character for another, so it just comes down to personal preference between these two asari. Trouble is, one of these two gives us every reason to shoot her dead and leave her corpse in the Thorian's lair. The solution then would simply be to take the option to kill her away from Shepard and you're just forced to rescue her instead, and I reckon that this would just lead to people complaining about Shiala instead of the now nonexistent Liara. 

 

I suppose the next best thing would simply be to scrap the whole Ilos revelation entirely and the Normandy crew just figures the whole thing out by themselves somehow. 

 

You mean we didn't?

 

Spoiler

[themikefest]

Trouble is, one of these two gives us every reason to shoot her dead and leave her corpse in the Thorian's lair.

I've shot her a couple of times otherwise I pick the neutral option letting her live
 

and I reckon that this would just lead to people complaining about Shiala instead of the now nonexistent Liara.

That depends how Bioware writes her character in the game if people complain. She would be better as a squadmate since her background would support her being one whereas with Liara, her background doesn't support her being a squadmate.

Liara wouldn't have to be nonexistent. She still gets rescued and when she reveals Ilos, she is left on the Citadel before Shepard goes to Ilos
 

I suppose the next best thing would simply be to scrap the whole Ilos revelation entirely and the Normandy crew just figures the whole thing out by themselves somehow.

How did Saren know he needed to go to Ilos?

[aoibhealfae]

I have a degree in science but you won't see me magically turning into a commando just because I befriend one.... cool fantasy btw. would love to know how to use grenades and make things fly.

[Pasquale1234]

Medi gel on geth stations and ships? Huh?

Medi gel heals legion. Huh? (Maybe I missed something in the lore...are they part organic?)

Due to the increasing use of cybernetics in the general population, medigel has been enhanced with omnigel and a newly developed, non-toxic formula of stop-leak. This comprehensive formula is exactly what the doctor ordered for amino, dextro, or ammonia based organics, synthetics, and anyone in-between.

/silliness
 

System freezes. During certain cut scenes in 3, I always get a system freeze. I'm thinking ps3 didn't get much testing. Also, the audio cut short in many conversations in 2. Again, I think ps3 didn't get much love ( did the other platforms have these problems?).

I've had some issues in a couple of different spots:
-- The ending Saren fight in ME1 frequently crashes
-- Dialog lines are often cut short in ME3.

Outside of those things, the system freezes I've experienced typically happen when I've been playing for several hours.

[Vazgen]

Our exterior shell is 72% polymer

[DuskWanderer]

The obvious problem here is that this solution is merely a trade of one required character for another, so it just comes down to personal preference between these two asari. Trouble is, one of these two gives us every reason to shoot her dead and leave her corpse in the Thorian's lair. The solution then would simply be to take the option to kill her away from Shepard and you're just forced to rescue her instead, and I reckon that this would just lead to people complaining about Shiala instead of the now nonexistent Liara. 

 

I suppose the next best thing would simply be to scrap the whole Ilos revelation entirely and the Normandy crew just figures the whole thing out by themselves somehow. 

 

Not exactly. For one, it's required to go to Feros to see what the geth were after: Shiala just happened to be there. 

 

The problem that many people complained about with Liara was the fact that she felt tacked on: Shiala isn't tacked on. I'm not saying don't give us the option to kill her. But if we don't, let's take her with us. We don't need Liara to tell us about Ilos, it would be beyond simple to have the Cipher do that after getting the complete beacon from Virmire (which can be how Saren figures this out)

 

Liara simply becomes written out of the plot. That's how useful she is. 

[CrutchCricket]

I still think the Liara and Shiala character's should've been merged. Would've kept the best of both worlds, cut out the fluff, provided credible justification for both her inclusion in ME1 and later shenanigans, as well as increasing the conflict with Benezia.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

TIM was indoctrinated. He was affected by a Reaper artifact during the First Contact War (his eyes became like Husk's), he got Reaper tech implanted in himself and all his troops and Cerberus was constantly experimenting with Reaper tech. If that's not enough for you to realize that he was indoctrinated, the Catalyst says it when it explains the Control ending.

 

Shepard was affected by a Reaper artifact, too (Object Rho) -- no indoctrination.

 

It takes time and continued exposure, which TIM did not have. It's not like "boop, ur indoctrin8ed nao!"

 

Also, TIM's actions pre-ME3 are wayyy too detrimental to the Reapers for this prevailing notion to make any sense.

[GalacticWolf5]

Shepard was affected by a Reaper artifact, too (Object Rho) -- no indoctrination.

 

Did I say that TIM was controlled by the Reapers right after being affected by the Monolith? No.

 

Interestingly, Shepard also has eyes like TIM's and Reaper husks' (Seen when he gets dissolved).

 

It takes time and continued exposure, which TIM did not have. It's not like "boop, ur indoctrin8ed nao!"

 

Uh, are you kidding? His own eyes were basically Reaper tech. He even implanted Reaper tech inside himself. When you have Reaper tech inside you, indoctrination is fast.

 

Also, TIM's actions pre-ME3 are wayyy too detrimental to the Reapers for this prevailing notion to make any sense.

 

Maybe the Reapers weren't controlling him back then, but they definitely started using him sometime before their arrival.

 

Again, he was indoctrinated. The Intelligence explains that it(they) controlled him.

[Quarian Master Race]

Oh, I forgot another thing, boob jobs, facelifts and combat onesies with heels. I guess Thane's combat trenchcoat as well, if I want to be gender neutral about it.

[Pasquale1234]

I still think the Liara and Shiala character's should've been merged. Would've kept the best of both worlds, cut out the fluff, provided credible justification for both her inclusion in ME1 and later shenanigans, as well as increasing the conflict with Benezia.

I don't know that Shiala would have worked very well as a squadmate while also being able to provide some of the exposition about the Thorian form of indoctrination. The long-term effects of Thorian exposure was shown throughout the trilogy.

[ArabianIGoggles]

You mean we didn't?

 

Spoiler

That has to be the worst haircut of all time.

[aoibhealfae]

Making Liara a commando could have work because both Benezia and Aethytha seem to have an army of them. I mean, make Liara having a proper estranged issues with her mother which lead her to a different life so it made sense for her to be this action girl. In fact, Feros would made more sense if it was Liara who commune with the Thorian for the Prothean cipher. Saren kidnapped her and then used her to extract info from the Thorian and then Shepard would need to save her. 

 

I always find it funny when Liara immediately say "I maybe Benezia's daughter but I am nothing like her" like.. what? Did you know that she's evil all these while you're in this planet or something? Can't you at least defend your mother or something. Your lack of filial piety is worrying me.

[CrutchCricket]

Making Liara a commando could have work because both Benezia and Aethytha seem to have an army of them. I mean, make Liara having a proper estranged issues with her mother which lead her to a different life so it made sense for her to be this action girl. In fact, Feros would made more sense if it was Liara who commune with the Thorian for the Prothean cipher. Saren kidnapped her and then used her to extract info from the Thorian and then Shepard would need to save her. 

 

I always find it funny when Liara immediately say "I maybe Benezia's daughter but I am nothing like her" like.. what? Did you know that she's evil all these while you're in this planet or something? Can't you at least defend your mother or something. Your lack of filial piety is worrying me.

That and it would've made the Noveria encounter 100% more poignant.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

That has to be the worst haircutstyle of all time.

 

Yeah, but she can let he hair down after missions. Don't ruin my head canon. I picked it on purpose.

 

Let's face the facts - Character development in ME1 was not a priority. Kaidan: I'm playing an adept and know nothing about Jump Zero or Brain Camp. His dialogue in ME1 was just horrid. He was a walking codex like the others. The only one who wasn't a walking codex was Ashley. Why? Because she was supposed to be the primary LI for male players. But Liara tried to upstage her with the damsel in distress act. Plus if you wanted good love scenes you romanced Liara because like it or not, she is the canon love interest.

[Iakus]

Oh, I forgot another thing, boob jobs, facelifts and combat onesies with heels. I guess Thane's combat trenchcoat as well, if I want to be gender neutral about it.

DOn't forget Jacob's spandex armor.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Uh, are you kidding? His own eyes were basically Reaper tech.

 
Are you? I mean, there is nothing in the lore that supports your statement here. It is just a conclusion that you and many other fans have jumped to.
 

Maybe the Reapers weren't controlling him back then, but they definitely started using him sometime before their arrival.

Nothing before their arrival indicates that he was doing their bidding -- just about everything he did was counterproductive to their goals. Cerberus itself was set up with the purpose of fighting the Reapers, all of its working contributing to achieving those ends. Don't believe me? The manifesto makes an obvious allusion to the Reapers. Not to mention that everyone in Cerberus treats the Reapers as common knowledge before the general public ever did (Gavin Archer, for example).

Hell, his actions through most of ME3 do not indicate indoctrination, either. If TIM's goal of controlling the Reapers was not feasible or somehow desirable (as lots of IT'ers comically believe) to them, they would not have responded to Sanctuary as they did.

Also, Vendetta. We know he does not give away information to indoctrinated individuals. Where did we find him after Thessia?

Spoiler

TIM's office.

 

Again, he was indoctrinated. The Intelligence explains that it(they) controlled him.

Yes, he was indoctrinated ... toward the end of ME3. By then he had thought what he got from Sanctuary would grant him immunity from indoctrination when he implanted himself. He was wrong. Before he implanted himself, though, he was himself.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Vendetta was in TIM's office with the security protocols overridden. He'd been hacked.

[Mouser]

Having played through the trilogy a few times now, here's my thoughts.

 

This is the one story BioWare just wasn't able to tell.  They get a bit of a pass from me on that, since they've told so many good ones going all the way back to Planescape:Torment. This one just lost its way somewhere and never got back on track.

 

Plot hole:  The "dark energy" killing the suns. Why was that never mentioned again? That parallels the  planetary disappearances caused by Lemegeton in the Xenosaga trilogy (which I'm personally convinced the basis for this story was lifted from), but they never come back to it. They could have developed that so the Reapers really _were_ saving organic life by not letting them destroy their own universe.

 

Star Child: I'm on the fence on this one. I get what they were trying to do (I think). Pretty obvious sexual symbolism for the joining of the Crucible and the Catalyst. The 'child' awakens, sees new possibilities.  Conveniently, there's already three color coded pathways built for these choices that StarBrat never saw coming (and he says he tried synthesis before).

 

Shepard surviving with a high EMS.  After the third dream (similar to an old legend of the washing women) we know Shepard is going to die. Have the balls to stick to that. Shepard surviving just undoes one of the best bits of storytelling in ME3. Especially since that epilogue says this all happened long ago, so Shepard would be long dead of old age in any case.

 

The warped 'dream logic' best  summarized by the 'Yo Dawg' post (wiping you out with synthetics). Synthetic life must by definition surpass their creators? Does that mean organic life must by definition become gods? As far as I can tell every race has a pretty strong spiritual belief system.

 

Dropping the weapon customization system from ME 1.  They brought back a bit for ME 3, but 1 was the best of the lot there. Everybody could use every weapon, even if they weren't "good" with it. Also dropping the exploration aspect of the game that riding around in the Mako gave you.

 

Lack of real choices in ME 3.  The 'dialog wheel' was the defining mechanic of the trilogy, but we get stuck with long cutscenes with little to no input and even less effect from whatever lines we do pick. That worked for Xenosaga, because Xenosaga is a cinematic experience - choice was never part of the equation.

 

Missed opportunity: We find out at the end of ME 2 that everything we thought we knew about the Geth was wrong (and even moreso in ME 3 when we see the start of the Morning War). That could have been developed into a theme where Shepard would be forced to question all the core beliefs of the galactic civilizations, but it never really takes off.  I'm honestly not sure what the main themes of the story are supposed to be. Hope? Futility? Courage in a Lost Cause? Overcoming the Impossible?

 

Obviously I found a lot to like in the series or I'd never have finished playing through it once, let alone several  times.  Some things just stick out to me though,  even more as I see them through repeated playthroughs with supposedly different choices.

 

I don't have a problem with Cerberus being so prominent in ME 3. That actually follows the formula. The reapers are like Sauron in Lord of the Rings - to powerful to really engage as an antagonist, so you act through proxies: Saren and the Geth in ME 1, the Collector's in ME 2, and TIM and Cerberus in ME 3.

[God]

Shepard's had much of what you say as well.

 

That's not really an indication of indoctrination just yet. Just that he's been exposed. 

 

I'd wager he wasn't indoctrinated until he actually put the Reaper tech into his system. The eyes could just be cybernetic implants. Nobody ever says anything, and it's not brought up as a plot point in the games at all.