I remember desire demons being topless in an early promotional image for DAO. The nipple guards got added later, probably after the EA acquisition.
The undergarments probably did the same. After all, Morrigan's model in DAO actually has nipples - you just can't see them because there's clothing in the way. But why bother building that mesh if they were always intended to be hidden?
But to the OP's point, I don't see any of what you describe in DAI.
I remember desire demons being topless in an early promotional image for DAO. The nipple guards got added later, probably after the EA acquisition.
The undergarments probably did the same. After all, Morrigan's model in DAO actually has nipples - you just can't see them because there's clothing in the way. But why bother building that mesh if they were always intended to be hidden?
But to the OP's point, I don't see any of what you describe in DAI.
It might not have been just EA, it could have been the ratings board as well, for if there was too much nudity in the game I could see them punting the game back for fixes.
It might not have been just EA, it could have been the ratings board as well, for if there was too much nudity in the game I could see them punting the game back for fixes.
There still would have been way less than God of War. And they were aiming for a Mature rating.
There still would have been way less than God of War. And they were aiming for a Mature rating.
True, but at the same time those are different years and the outlook society has can change dramatically too. It would have been shortly after the whole "SexBox" stuff from Fox as well.
The Secret World has a Mature rating (you can tell by how often NPCs say '****') but had to put pasties over the nipples of the female character models because a ratings board somewhere complained. I don't recall if it was the US ratings board or somewhere else that had the problem, mind you. Funcom dealt with this imaginatively by making the pasties yellow smiley faces.
Nipples on the female monsters were just fine according to the censors, though.
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After playing DAO again, I truly think that since DAI is not in the time of a Blight, they can't really get too dark with it. There ARE some very disturbing moments in it if you look for them, but instead of a Blight and a War you are trying to stop or lead to a victory on the front lines, it's all about patching up the holes left over by the Warden and Champion. I doubt any game involving Tevinter will be light and I have a feeling DAI was a break from the madness yet to come in the series.
The one thing I do not get about the rating system is, that rated R movies are for 17 and older in the U.S. Some movies and shows have some hardcore **** in it. Rated M games are for 17 and older in the U.S, but if a ****** is shown, the media shits bricks. I could understand such a reaction in rated T and E games, but a rated M games is for mature audiences ONLY; it makes the media's reaction seem illogical and stupid. If your 13-15 yr old kid is playing this game, stop them, take it away, and ground them from everything; they aren't old enough.
I do not think Dragon Age Inquisition is dark enough or exposing enough to be rated M, but it definitely shows a-lot more than it's predecessors
The one thing I do not get about the rating system is, that rated R movies are for 17 and older in the U.S. Some movies and shows have some hardcore **** in it. Rated M games are for 17 and older in the U.S, but if a ****** is shown, the media shits bricks. I could understand such a reaction in rated T and E games, but a rated M games is for mature audiences ONLY; it makes the media's reaction seem illogical and stupid.
I think the only argument is that unlike movies which is a passive experience where you just sit there and watch, videogames actually requires you to be active with it. So In a movie I can see a human female and a blue alien female have mild sex on screen in a R-rated movie and nobody complains. But when that happens in a videogame (Mass Effect 1), then it is a big deal because it required to viewer to "participate" in it by choosing to go forward which such scene.
That is my opinion on what the opposing argument may be. I however think its stupid. MANY R-rated films feature sexual content in a heavier and more explicit way than M-rated games and yet videogames are the ones that sees the most complaints.
I guess it is cause no matter what, videogames will always be seen by many as a child's toy unlike R-rated movies. Also with R-rated movies, the visuals are real as it is being acted out by real life people. With videogames, it is pixels, which makes it seem "perverted" in the same way a cartoon sex scene may be.
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The one thing I do not get about the rating system is, that rated R movies are for 17 and older in the U.S. Some movies and shows have some hardcore **** in it. Rated M games are for 17 and older in the U.S, but if a ****** is shown, the media shits bricks. I could understand such a reaction in rated T and E games, but a rated M games is for mature audiences ONLY; it makes the media's reaction seem illogical and stupid. If your 13-15 yr old kid is playing this game, stop them, take it away, and ground them from everything; they aren't old enough.
I do not think Dragon Age Inquisition is dark enough or exposing enough to be rated M, but it definitely shows a-lot more than it's predecessors
I found that DAI shows more nudity, uses swear words to the max and lacks in the gory bloody scene the previous games had, though they had no nudity or major swearing like DAI does.
The Secret World has a Mature rating (you can tell by how often NPCs say '****') but had to put pasties over the nipples of the female character models because a ratings board somewhere complained.
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Back in the day Giants:Citizen Kabuto had the same issue. Delphi and the rest of the Sea Reapers all got bras for the North American release. CGW thoughtfully told us which file to delete to get rid of them.
Could a game like that get onto consoles anymore?
Japanese video games had the most cuts in NA back then. They had lots of nudity for those tiny sprites. In Saga Frontier an entire storyline was nearly cut to nothing because of a small nude scene they couldn't censor for some reason, so the whole game made little sense. I think Final Fantasy 7 is when ratings began to really change for RPG's from Japan.
The entire romance in DAI feels so forced and unnatural, it doesn't even feel like a part of the game worth discussing. It's not a matter of showing skin, but capturing the feeling that two people have a connection. IMHO, Bioware did not capture that very well. It's similar to a couple in a movie that don't have the right chemistry but are forced to act like the sig other.
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The entire romance in DAI feels so forced and unnatural, it doesn't even feel like a part of the game worth discussing. It's not a matter of showing skin, but capturing the feeling that two people have a connection. IMHO, Bioware did not capture that very well. It's similar to a couple in a movie that don't have the right chemistry but are forced to act like the sig other.
That's the reality of entertainment everywhere these days. It's about the eyecandy, not the deeper parts. When my Warden told Alistair she was in love with Zevran and he was hurt but happy for her, that felt more real than if my Inquisitor flirts around in DAI.
Might be only me, but I wonder why is that 'Mature minded gamers' are the ones so concerned about losing the nudity, sex, and Rock & Roll in games?
Rhetorical; color me amused....
Not maturity in terms of behavioral maturity. But mature in the sense that one is able to grasp/witness/understand certain concepts/images that someone who is less "mature" cannot.
Take videogame ratings as an example. A game rated M for mature does not mean that it is a mature game in that it is intellectual and the like. No, it means M for mature in the sense that mature = not for kids. So these "mature" gamers are open to nudity, sex and Rock and Roll because they are adults and they feel as if they should not be made to feel like they cannot handle certain content such as sex, violence, profanity, and drug usage because.....they are adults and not little 1st graders.
I believe nudity in DAO was a pretty awkward thing that I would have been happy to go without. I don't quite agree that the hideous undies were what DAO were mostly known for, at least not in a good way. And there's way more nudity in DAI than in DA2.
In DAI, we see Dorian butt and Cassandra boobs. In DAO we get awkward Morrigan+Alistair babymaking with underwear on. Nudity is way better in DAI than DAO. The devs haven't caved, they've made nudity look good instead of being an embarrassing and awkward moment.
Not that I really think that nudity is a necessary component in a good or mature game. If you want to see people nekkid, there's a whole internet and a real world out there for you.
Wait....
Does that mean Broodmothers breast-fed Darkspawn!?!
....I'm going to throw up now...i don't know when I'll stop....
Back in the day Giants:Citizen Kabuto had the same issue. Delphi and the rest of the Sea Reapers all got bras for the North American release. CGW thoughtfully told us which file to delete to get rid of them.
Could a game like that get onto consoles anymore?
Probably not, for there was the whole "hot coffee" incident where Rockstar had create a new version of the game because of adult content on the disk and was re-rated to be AO and that content was locked away on the disk that nobody could gain access to unless you hacked the disk, but since it was there and not deleted from the game files it was a bad thing for them to do.
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Steam won't carry straight up AO games. They pulled Seduce Me (basically porn with card game mechanics) from Steam Greenlight last year.I wasn't actually talking about the minor nudity there. I just meant the overall weirdness of Giants: C K. You can get strange stuff onto PCs pretty easily -- is there anything that can't get onto Steam? - but consoles?
I honestly don't have time to read over this thread in depth -- and frankly, I just don't really care enough to -- but is the premise of this topic really trying to say maturity is had from breasts galore?
If so that's... rather sad. Not new to the BSN, but you'd think some people would have a handle on what constitutes maturity. And it honestly just shows that such people who believe nudity = maturity are really just children.
If so that's... rather sad. Not new to the BSN, but you'd think some people would have a handle on what constitutes maturity. And it honestly just shows that such people who believe nudity = maturity are really just children.
Like I keep saying, we need nude darkspawn! Give us some black, rotted genitals, Bioware!
Steam won't carry straight up AO games. They pulled Seduce Me (basically porn with card game mechanics) from Steam Greenlight last year.
So weird is OK, but porn isn't. Works for me.
Its all about "protecting the youth" from sex and "blaming video games" for violence.
The problem at least within North American society has a large gap in what children are doing and need to know and what the parents believe they need to know and should experience. I really think that is what caused that whole Fox stuff with Mass Effect 1, some parent bought a young child Mass Effect and then when they saw the romance sequence blew their mind and people started to complain about it culminating with Fox and their opinions.
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