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[aksoileau]

Wow there are some crazies in this thread. Is it really necessary to type an essay about a game that's been out a few days? Seriously. Take your prozacs. If you are disappointed in the game, so be it. No one cares if you love or hate the game.

[Typifire]

ShadyKat wrote...


Sell the game, leave the forums, and find a game that you like.

Yes, because you are not allowed an opinion, or the right to voice it, unless it agrees with theirs.

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:32 .

[Typifire]

Gatt9 wrote...
This really isn't terribly complicated. ME2 is a FPS, and a rather bad one at that.

First Person Shooter this is not, it's a third person shooter if anything

Agreed.

-An RPG is defined by the better part of it's gameplay being Character Skill driven. ME2 is completely Player Skill driven, which is the characteristic signature of an FPS.

By this logic so was ME1, I personal ran through ME1 with nothing but an assault rifle, no abilities. My ability to put the crosshair over my target was all that really mattered. ME2 actually makes me use abilities, zomg.

You're wrong.  Your ability to use the asssault rifle was determined by your skill in the weapon, the weapons stats and the stats of the enemy.  You couldn't aim well and take out the enemy with a head shot, your characters abilities and the stats of the weapon decided your damage, not how well you could aim.

-An RPG generally contains some form of loot and or looting, while an FPS generally just has you run over things to pick them up, which is exactly what ME2 does.

RPG does not stand for "You Loot stuff" it stands for Role Playing Game....RPG's these days (thanks to games like WoW) have often become too focused on the items you acquire and not the character you play. Sure, they are a great way to offer character advancement. Yet didn't it bother anyone how in ME1 the quality of the guns was boiled down to a number after their name? If I am a spectre why didn't they hand me a Mk 8 to BEGIN with. Why recycle the same genre ideas over and over? This is a Bioware game, not Madden 20XX, they should be changing some preconceptions. Also, in ME1 you ran to crates, hacked them, and you got a display of what you got...sounds a lot like ME2

I personally like getting new equipment to upgrade and cycling the old gear down to the rest of the team.  Not everyone may enjoy it, but I do. 

Thats' really all I had to say,  the other points didn't matter that much to me.  I'm finding more I like about the game as time goes on, but I still don't like the change in the focus of the combat.

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:27 .

[Typifire]

sinosleep wrote...

Anyone who thinks this way is an idiot. I seriously don't care if I get banned since spending time on this forum has become a joke any way. Nothing but a bunch of crybabies whining on and on about things that make absolutely no sense.

I just want to know where you morons got a version of Gears that had resource gathering/managing, weapon upgrading, stat based EVERYTHING other than aiming/hacking/decrypting, exploration elements, side quests, etc, etc, etc.

If you actually take this position you have never played Gears and you have never played ME 2. You are nothing but a muppet. A person who is only worthwhile when you have a hand shoved up your ass.

The whole lot of you make me sick.

 
No more an idiot than someone who can't discuss differing opinions without becoming hateful and resorting to name calling just because you don't agree.

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:57 .

[ShadyKat]

Typifire wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...


Sell the game, leave the forums, and find a game that you like.

Yes because you are not allowed an opinion, or the right to voice it, unless it agrees with theirs.

The guy pretty much said he hates everything about the game, and Bioware ruined Mass Effect. If so, sale the game and leave, since the game will keep going in the direction it's in now.

Modifié par ShadyKat, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:35 .

[MassFrost]

I swear people will find anything to **** about with this game. If you don't like it, don't play it, and don't give BioWare any more of your money. Complaining about things that you personally don't like (and as a fan of ME1 as well, I can't figure out why you think these changes are so terrible) isn't going to make BW suddenly remake the game to suit your tastes. Whether or not you want to admit it, ME1 was full of it's own retarded gameplay elements as well. Hell, it didn't even take long into the game before skills didn't matter, because a half-decent player would have them all completely maxed out anyway.

[Typifire]

ShadyKat wrote...

Typifire wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...


Sell the game, leave the forums, and find a game that you like.

Yes because you are not allowed an opinion, or the right to voice it, unless it agrees with theirs.

The guy pretty much said he hates everything about the game, and Bioware ruined Mass Effect. If so, sale the game and leave, since the game will keep going in the direction it's in now.

I am the guy.  I stated I didn't like what they'd done to gameplay mechanics.  That's my opinion and I have the right to state it. 

You have the right to disagree.  But as I have not called anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me, and have simply explained why I dislike certain elements of the game, I would expect the same respect from anyone contributing to the discussion.

Otherwise, all your doing is acting like children who are angry that someone doesn't share their opinion.  If you don't agree state your reasons like an adult.  But don't treat your opinion like irrefutable fact, and others opinions as wrong, as this is narrow minded and childish. 

I understand not everyone agrees.  And that's your right.  But you can do a better job of explaining why you disagree than telling someone their an idiot and that they should shut up and get off the forums.

I have grown to like, or dislike less, many of the elements I initially complained about as I have played the game. And have stated such multiple times.  The gearing up before a mission I like because of the realism element it adds.  Though the sending previously equipped items off to the ship when you find new ones is not realistic in the least.

But I still don't like how much the gameplay mechanics have changed.  They feel alot like GoW to me, in that it's built on the same engine and relies upon a combat system that has you running to and firing from cover and relies upon well placed shots to disable enemies.  In that regard it reminded me of GoW.  And yes, I've played both of them.

If you disagree that's fine.  But how about explaining why you disagree instead of calling people idiots.

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:49 .

[sinosleep]

I'm calling you an idiot because if you think ME 2 is ANYTHING like Gears in any way other than the fact that it has an over the shoulder camera and you shoot things with guns YOU ARE AN IDIOT. If you search for my posts you'll see I've had plenty of enlightened debate with folks around here, but there's no polite way to debate what you're saying.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 janvier 2010 - 12:58 .

[Typifire]

sinosleep wrote...

I'm calling you an idiot because if you think ME 2 is ANYTHING like Gears in any way other than the fact that it has an over the shoulder camera and you shoot things with guns YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

And calling people names anonymously on a forum certainly proves how intelligent you must be.

[ShadyKat]

Typifire wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Typifire wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...


Sell the game, leave the forums, and find a game that you like.

Yes because you are not allowed an opinion, or the right to voice it, unless it agrees with theirs.

The guy pretty much said he hates everything about the game, and Bioware ruined Mass Effect. If so, sale the game and leave, since the game will keep going in the direction it's in now.

I am the guy.  I stated I didn't like what they'd done to gameplay mechanics.  That's my opinion and I have the right to state it. 

You have the right to disagree.  But as I have not called anyone an idiot for disagreeing with me, and have simply explained why I dislike certain elements of the game, I would expect the same respect from anyone contributing to the discussion.

Otherwise, all your doing is acting like children who are angry that someone doesn't share their opinion.  If you don't agree state your reasons like an adult.  But don't treat your opinion like irrefutable fact, and others opinions as wrong, as this is narrow minded and childish. 

I understand not everyone agrees.  And that's your right.  But you can do a better job of explaining why you disagree than telling someone their an idiot and that they should shut up and get off the forums.

I have grown to like, or dislike less, many of the elements I initially complained about as I have played the game. And have stated such multiple times.  The gearing up before a mission I like because of the realism element it adds.  Though the sending previously equipped items off to the ship when you find new ones is not realistic in the least.

But I still don't like how much the gameplay mechanics have changed.  They feel alot like GoW to me, in that it's built on the same engine and relies upon a combat system that has you running to and firing from cover and relies upon well placed shots to disable enemies.  In that regard it reminded me of GoW.  And yes, I've played both of them.

If you disagree that's fine.  But how about explaining why you disagree instead of calling people idiots.

Why would I be angry? I love ME2 and have pretty much nothing bad to say about it. And yes I did love ME1 as well. Hell I played ME1 about 14 times, every class, male and female. So the way I see it, you seem to be the one that is mad. Simple soultion if you hate ME2, don't play and move on. Yes you have to right to your opinion, but when you keep complaining, it comes off as if you are ****ing.

[sinosleep]

Typifire wrote...

And calling people names anonymously on a forum certainly proves how intelligent you must be.

No, there's just no enlightened debate to be had with you. The two games are so monumentally different that attempting to compare them is just moronic. And unfortunately threads like yours have cropped up more and more since release thus killing nearly all posibility of having intelligent conversation here. So I just said, to hell with it, and decided to start acting like the savages.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:01 .

[ShadyKat]

Typifire wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

I'm calling you an idiot because if you think ME 2 is ANYTHING like Gears in any way other than the fact that it has an over the shoulder camera and you shoot things with guns YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

And calling people names anonymously on a forum certainly proves how intelligent you must be.

This thread is a troll thread dude. If you can't see it then something is wrong with you. I have played Gears of war 1&2, and to say ME2 is the same game is pure old fashion trolling. I guess and game with guns, and cover based shooting is a Gears of War knock off.

[ShadyKat]

ShadyKat wrote...

Typifire wrote...

sinosleep wrote...

I'm calling you an idiot because if you think ME 2 is ANYTHING like Gears in any way other than the fact that it has an over the shoulder camera and you shoot things with guns YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

And calling people names anonymously on a forum certainly proves how intelligent you must be.

This thread is a troll thread dude. If you can't see it then something is wrong with you. I have played Gears of war 1&2, and to say ME2 is the same game is pure old fashion trolling. I guess any game with guns, and cover based shooting is a Gears of War knock off.

[casper01]

I do like the game, but it does feel very different to mass effect 1. the combat is much more gears of war. I felt ME1 felt more tactical to be honest. Even though I loved the game they broke stuff that was not in need of being fixed (key-binds), so although in many ways they progressed the series, they changed some of what I loved. I hope we get a happy medium in ME3.

[Typifire]

[quote]ShadyKat wrote...

If you disagree that's fine.  But how about explaining why you disagree instead of calling people idiots.[/quote]
Why would I be angry? I love ME2 and have pretty much nothing bad to say about it. And yes I did love ME1 as well. Hell I played ME1 about 14 times, every class, male and female. So the way I see it, you seem to be the one that is mad. Simple soultion if you hate ME2, don't play and move on. Yes you have to right to your opinion, but when you keep complaining, it comes off as if you are ****ing.[/quote]
 
Actually,  I haven't had alot of time to discuss the original topic, because most of the pople posting are not adding to the discussion.  I've spent more time asking that people act more civil and stop treating their opinion as fact than I have talking about the game at all.

I am only mad that people can't seem to accept that everyone has different opinions and that just because that is the case, doesn't mean that the topic can't be discussed and not treated like a flame war.

I was disappointed in the change in the game mechanics. That's all.  I wanted a civil discussion of opinions on either side.  Instead everyone's treating it like a shouting match on the playground.

[ShadyKat]

[quote]Typifire wrote...

[quote]ShadyKat wrote...

If you disagree that's fine.  But how about explaining why you disagree instead of calling people idiots.[/quote]
Why would I be angry? I love ME2 and have pretty much nothing bad to say about it. And yes I did love ME1 as well. Hell I played ME1 about 14 times, every class, male and female. So the way I see it, you seem to be the one that is mad. Simple soultion if you hate ME2, don't play and move on. Yes you have to right to your opinion, but when you keep complaining, it comes off as if you are ****ing.[/quote]
 
Actually,  I haven't had alot of time to discuss the original topic, because most of the pople posting are not adding to the discussion.  I've spent more time asking that people act more civil and stop treating their opinion as fact than I have talking about the game at all.

I am only mad that people can't seem to accept that everyone has different opinions and that just because that is the case, doesn't mean that the topic can't be discussed and not treated like a flame war.

I was disappointed in the change in the game mechanics. That's all.  I wanted a civil discussion of opinions on either side.  Instead everyone's treating it like a shouting match on the playground.[/quote]
Well the thread does come off as troll bait. Like I said GOW and ME2 share 1 thing in common, cover based shooting. So any game with guns mst be a knock off of Golden Eye. You really should have titled the thread better, and I don't think people would have been trying to flame.

[Typifire]

And it's not a troll thread. A troll thread would be logging in to a forum that discusses a topic of which I have no interest, to puroposefully ****** off the memebers of the forum.

I joined this community when I got Dragon Age, and I have played all of Bioware's games since KotOR. As such, If I feel unhappy about an element of the game I have the right to voice that opinion.

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:21 .

[Typifire]

When I said it felt like GoW I was referring only to the fact that the combat now felt more like a TPS, (I used GoW as an example due to the feeling created from a similar engine using a similar cover/fire system) than it did in their previous RPGs.

Whether or not this is a good thing is a matter of opinion. I like the idea of my skills, attributes and wepons coming together to form the damage done in battle, the way its been in most of Bioware's games. Others may prefer it the way it is now.

Regardless, I was not attempting to troll by any means. Just to voice my opinion and see how the rest of the community felt about the change.  Obviosuly it's somewhat split.  Though, most seem to like the change.

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:19 .

[sinosleep]

When you say it the way it was phrased in the title it implies the majority of the game plays like Gears, as opposed to what you just said where it's just one aspect o the gameplay. That's why so many people are jumping down your throat. The title screams troll bait because Gears had no resource gathering/managing, weapon upgrading, stat based EVERYTHING other than aiming/hacking/decrypting, exploration elements, side quests, cotumizable sqadmates, etc, etc, etc.

Modifié par sinosleep, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:23 .

[Typifire]

sinosleep wrote...

When you say it the way it was phrased in the title it implies the majority of the game plays like Gears, as opposed to what you just said where it's just one aspect o the gameplay. That's why so many people are jumping down your throat. The title screams troll bait.

Well, I admit I was a little more miffed when I wrote the initial thread.  I hadn't discovered the replacement inventory system on the Normandy, and I was just through playing when I posted.

Since then I've had more time with the game, and certain elements (like armor customization) have really grown on me.  So, I'm not quite as pissed as I was when I made the first post.

But the one  thing I still don't quite like is the battle mechanics.  What I was hoping to discuss, now, is whether or not the majority like it, whether we think it's now set in stone as it is, or if it were to go forward as is what would those of us unhappy with it like to see changed to create a happy medium.

As I said I liked the stat/attribute/weapon equation of battles from KotOR, ME, and Dragon Age.  The reason I like that better is because it makes the game feel slightly more strategic.  Especially Dragon Age.  The tactics in that game were quite fun.

Is there a way to add any of that back into combat while still allowing strategic aiming?  And if so, what are the chances they're even likely to consider it?

I'd guess they're not at this point....

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 01:39 .

[Dayson_Dawn]

The only common thing between ME2 and Gears of war is that they used the same engine, there's a cover system, and you shoot.



ME2 has much much much much more deep gameplay. From skill trees, to research, to upgrading weapons, to I dunno, having the story unfold based around your choices. That sounds like an RPG to me.



ME2, to me, is an RPG just as much as Deus Ex (and STALKER if you really think about it)

[Dan_cw]

Can't speak for others but towards the end of the game in Mass Effect, I just stood in the open with my Soldier and blasted enemies with my finger holding the fire button down. *shrugs* Not really any tactics there as the only time I moved to dodge fire or took cover was to avoid rockets. Granted, I've never really played any other class in the game and yes, I never played on the harder settings.

At least in this you are forced to take cover. Even on normal, my shields go down pretty darn quickly and yeah, I'm playing a soldier again. Haven't got any of the health/shield upgrades yet, so I don't know how powerful you'll become later though.

I like the fact that you really need to use the correct powers to disable enemy defenses as well. In addition, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm practically full on ammo after every fight due to restocking. I only need to run around around the battlefield picking it up during the longer fights.

[Typifire]

Dayson_Dawn wrote...

The only common thing between ME2 and Gears of war is that they used the same engine, there's a cover system, and you shoot.

ME2 has much much much much more deep gameplay. From skill trees, to research, to upgrading weapons, to I dunno, having the story unfold based around your choices. That sounds like an RPG to me.

ME2, to me, is an RPG just as much as Deus Ex (and STALKER if you really think about it)

I forgot how much fun I had with STALKER.

It, in some ways, had RPG elements ME 2 is missing.  The weapons had damage ratings and capacity differences, the armors had damage protection ratings and radiation resistance ratings.

I won't argue this makes it more an RPG than ME 2, because it doesn't.  But if these elements are elements people want to add to their shooters, I don't see why they aren't entertaining enough to remain in ME 2.

Modifié par Typifire, 30 janvier 2010 - 02:02 .

[Mahouhashi]

ME2's combat isn't as tight as GOW's shooter combat, but it is far more tactical once you figure out how to mix and match your skills with teammates. And the characters are very fleshed out, combat is awesome fun, limited duologue trees, but what do you expect when everyone is voiced, the missions are also fun now and the environments are just a marvel to behold and actually feel alive this time round and IMO the story is still good. With all this I wish ignorant fools who play a mere 5 hours of the game and come on here and complain would just not voice any opinions ever.

Modifié par Mahouhashi, 30 janvier 2010 - 02:15 .