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[Heimerdinger]

Opening a dormant relay is considered a major crime by Council races, they shoot on sight, humans found that out the hard way. In theory you open a relay, go exploring and looking for garden worlds or resources and you may stumble across...the Borg or something, and give them access to your home systems. Bad. But there are some questions here if this is really the case.

 

1) Is "dormant" some kind of sleep mode or just encased in comet ice or debris like Charon? We know that only the Citadel's controls can put relays in full lock-down.

 

2) If dormant Relay A leads to dormant Relay B, will activating A also activate B? If the answer is yes then this leads to the next point.

 

3) What's preventing some theoretical bad guys from activating a dormant relay themselves and ending up in your backyard or at least somewhere very near Council space to some unguarded relay? Makes council law kind of pointless.

 

Let's look at some history:

 

Humans - found Prothean ruins and mass effect tech on Mars. This gives info about Charon relay, and human scientists find it and manage to activate it. Now, Charon leads to Arcturus, if Arcturus relay is dormant too and 1 does not also reactivate 2 then humans would be stuck in Sol system. If Charon is encased in ice for X thousand years, would make sense that Arcturus should go dormant, some sleep mode.

 

Salarians - they open a dormant relay and enter Rachni space. Rachni don't have FTL or mass effect tech yet, but they capture the salarian ship and reverse engineer it's drive core, thus understanding mass effect tech in the process. The fact that they found eezo in their system helped a lot, but it's possible they didn't know how to activate their relay if dormant, if they even knew were it is. Salarians coming through, could have activated it and thus A can also activate B.

 

Reapers - codex says they open any dormant relay they want and go through.

 

So, the council's "Don't touch that relay" law, should it go to things that don't make sense?

 

Confirmed, Plausible or Busted?

[MrFob]

Agreed. The law really is kinda pointless. We can even rule out the possibility that relays must be activated, say, from the citadel outward (which might make sense as it is controlling the network) because The humans kinda went the other way with Charon -> Arcturus.

 

I guess the council is still traumatized by the Rachni incident and they do seem to be afraid of any kind of change r novelty (well, it borderlines on a phobia actually).

[MrFob]

Yea but since the rachni had eezo in their system anyway, since they are really smart and since they also have a relay, they'd have been an issue sooner or later anyway (and that doesn't even take the reaper intervention in the netire rachni affair into account yet).

Also, just look at species like the Yahg. At least, since we discovered them before they developed space travel, we know what we are in for eventually and we can prepare. If new relays are not opened and space is not explored, we are leaving ourselves open to another potentially hostile society evolving independently and eventually. If they are hostile and if they don't have these restrictions, then it's just a matter of time until they open up a relay to us and pure right into our backyard.

 

All that said, now that I think about it, I am not sure how exactly the law works. I remember reading in one of the novels that it is only forbidden to open dormant relays until the connecting relay is charted. I assume that means observation of the sibling relay and it's system through telescopes, scanners and the like.That sounds like a reasonable precaution but it's actually very limited. Any passive observation would only pick up information that traveled out of the target system at the speed of light (max). So if your relay links to some system, that is 1000 light years away, any intel you can get before actually going thruogh will be 1000 years out of date. Nonetheless, if the council simply wants explorers to make an assessment of the target system before opening new relays, that's actually fair enough, I think.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Arcturus had to have been open because the Batarians were using it.

 

Now if a species finds a relay in their system and opens it they will go to where the relay takes them. Then they'll be attacked for violating Council Law. But the thing is that it is a first contact situation, and in this case the law doesn't make any sense. How did humans, for example, know the Council even existed? How did they know they had to ask permission to unlock their mass relay?

 

Never mind, we'll let the Turians handle it. They'll try to bomb the species back to the stone age. And as usual the Asari will have to step in and mediate the situation behind the scenes to save "Turian Honor."

 

Let's add this to another thing that didn't make any sense, but in all likelihood it's probably something that would happen.

[Iakus]

Arcturus had to have been open because the Batarians were using it.

 

Now if a species finds a relay in their system and opens it they will go to where the relay takes them. Then they'll be attacked for violating Council Law. But the thing is that it is a first contact situation, and in this case the law doesn't make any sense. How did humans, for example, know the Council even existed? How did they know they had to ask permission to unlock their mass relay?

 

Never mind, we'll let the Turians handle it. They'll try to bomb the species back to the stone age. And as usual the Asari will have to step in and mediate the situation behind the scenes to save "Turian Honor."

 

Let's add this to another thing that didn't make any sense, but in all likelihood it's probably something that would happen.

Heck the humans were so clueless about what was going on at first they thought the turians might have been Protheans!

[Arisugawa]

Arcturus had to have been open because the Batarians were using it.

 

Now if a species finds a relay in their system and opens it they will go to where the relay takes them. Then they'll be attacked for violating Council Law. But the thing is that it is a first contact situation, and in this case the law doesn't make any sense. How did humans, for example, know the Council even existed? How did they know they had to ask permission to unlock their mass relay?

 

Never mind, we'll let the Turians handle it. They'll try to bomb the species back to the stone age. And as usual the Asari will have to step in and mediate the situation behind the scenes to save "Turian Honor."

 

Let's add this to another thing that didn't make any sense, but in all likelihood it's probably something that would happen.

 

I could be mistaken, but the Turians didn't attack the Alliance due to them activating the Charon relay - it was because they were attempting to activate Relay 314 which we can assume is near Shanxi (it might even be the Shanxi relay). Humanity went through the Charon relay and then decided they would investigate and eventually activate other dormant relays they came across.

 

At the time, they did not know other civilizations were using them.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well it's not just that. It's how all these other species were waiting around for centuries, and here comes humans through in 2157, First Contact War, and a mere 8 years later, Humanity is granted their Spectre with David Anderson. Why so short of time? Yes we know he failed, but the position was there.

 

That really didn't make much sense. Why do you think they came up with Blasto in ME2? The first Hanar Spectre. I know they couldn't make their joke races like Hanar, Elcor and Volus Spectres. But what about the Drell? Badassfully, they were around for a while.

 

They really went for stereotypes too. I hope they change it in the new game. I really wanted to see Asari construction workers. You know Asari with real jobs.

[Iakus]

Well it's not just that. It's how all these other species were waiting around for centuries, and here comes humans through in 2157, First Contact War, and a mere 8 years later, Humanity is granted their Spectre with David Anderson. Why so short of time? Yes we know he failed, but the position was there.

 

That really didn't make much sense. Why do you think they came up with Blasto in ME2? The first Hanar Spectre. I know they couldn't make their joke races like Hanar, Elcor and Volus Spectres. But what about the Drell? Badassfully, they were around for a while.

 

They really went for stereotypes too. I hope they change it in the new game. I really wanted to see Asari construction workers. You know Asari with real jobs.

Hey, stripping's a job!  

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I couldn't really tell if the whole Blasto thing was real or just a joke. Still can't. But, I think as far as the game explains, It's one of the marknig traits of humans that they're resilent. Just as the marking trait of the Salarians is their interest in science and the marking trait of the Turians is their militrization and for another example, The marking trait of the Volus is that they're the backbone of galactic economics. They're the ones who developed it after all. That's why Humanity got into the council so quickly. And the Battle of the Citadel surely didn't hurt the alliance's position. However, If there's one thing that i really wanted to see is the Volus having a seat on the council. They have just paid their dues already.

 

Prothean no like you.

 

 

Hey, stripping's a job!  

 

Yeah, and those Asari construction workers probably went to strip bars after work to watch the dancers, too.

[Arisugawa]

Yes and as Mr Fob has said, Any species could have used these relays to attack the council species. So, They assumed hostilty. And The Turians aren't much of negitoators.

 

It kinda bugs me how people are trigger happy criticizng everything just for the sake of criticising instead of pondering the whole process.

 

Yup. I never said otherwise. Wasn't disagreeing with that.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You haven't heard me criticize 21st Century Earth idiocy.

[Laughing_Man]

There's a difference between constructive reasonable criticism and destructive senseless bashing.

 

Sometimes the senselessness of canon requires bashing. Nothing else is quite enough.

[Laughing_Man]

Sometimes you guys see it as senseless because you, Personally, are senselessly bashing the content to see the answer. Senselessception.

 

Yeah, sometimes. But not most of the time. The lore is rather shoddy unfortunately.

[Laughing_Man]

Maybe, Maybe not. I have yet to meet any valid criticism to the ME series other than ME3's ending problems. ME3's main plot in general. Contrary to popular belief, The Lazarus Project isn't that far fetched, Scientists have managed very recently to reverse aging in human cell line and the world's first head transplant surgery is planned to be soon, And there are many other theoretical research about the subject even in the meantime. Now with the technology of Eezo and advanced cybernetics with an astronomical budget, It might eventually work.

 

What you just did to "Project Lazarus", was to "hand wave" it while mentioning "Phlebotinum", which is usually good enough for light Sci-Fi,

but still does not explain the logic behind this part of the story, why it was needed, or the unlikelihood of a Cerberus almost bankrupting themselves (well, they should have anyway) just to resurrect (Unlikely. Cloning, yeah. True resurrection? No.) "The Shepard", a bull-headed soldier that held a grudge for them, without even going the "control-chip" route.

 

Anyway, you are entitled to your own opinions, but there are quite a few topics on this forum which are difficult to explain without using large amounts of dedicated hand-waving. Things that in most part could have been solved easily with a little more attention from the writers.

[Laughing_Man]

The whole Cerberus Arch in ME3 was just plain wrong.

The same for the Death Arch. I don't really see the point.

 

The thing is asking for a lot of suspension of disbelief and hand waving, for no real plot reasons.

[Vazgen]

Killing Shepard was not necessary for that plot element. Coma would've served the same purpose without stretching the suspension of disbelief that much. Or (even more interesting, IMO) a serious injury followed with a period of recovery under an Alliance doctor's watch who later turns out to be a Cerberus agent - Miranda. Would've taken care of the tutorial part as well.