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[Display Name Owner]

All things are possible through the might of the Biotic God.

 

Praise Cal.

[Torgette]

Clearly Saren and TIM.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This one!!!

 

Spoiler

[Tonymac]

This one!!!

 

Spoiler

 

 

Haaa.  That cat got splattered worse than a bug on a windshield.    

[Majestic Jazz]

[RatThing]

From the story perspective I'd say it's clearly Hackett. On his initiative the Arrival is prevented - with or without Shepard. On his instruction Liara is tasked with finding a way to stop the Reapers, which led her to find the Crucible. He supervised the construction of the Crucible. He did the preparatory work for the alliances Shepard was forging in ME3. He led the attack on Chronos station and the Battle for Earth. Even the discovery of the Leviathan is attributed to the task force he created. The character itself might be not that interesting and charismatic (and a little bit cliché) but based on actions alone no one did more to stop the Reapers, not even Shepard.   

[StealthGamer92]

Wrex! He changed his whole species culture(part's of it at least) so they'd have a better chance to survive.

[Ryuzetsu]

Sir Issac Newton.
In case you haven't heard, he's the deadliest son of a b!tch in space.

[CrutchCricket]

TIM without a doubt. Has his hands in way more things than should be logistically possible given Cerberus resources and can bring people back from the dead. I'm not even sure if Shep has him beat.

The Shadow Broker has his hands in even more things and inadvertently enabled said resurrection by finding Shepard's body in the first place. He's like a more passive Palpatine.

 

But yeah, I'd have to agree that overall, all of this is the holokid's fault. But the holokid isn't really a character, it's an asspull so Shadow Broker it is.

[Daemul]

 

By a long margain...

[Oni Changas]

Most "influential"...

 

 

 

TIM or the Catalyst.

The only answers.

[GalacticWolf5]

The Intelligence (aka 'Catalyst')

[SilJeff]

It has to be either Verner or Blasto. If it weren't for faces like theirs, Shepard would have never had the resolve to save the galaxy from the reapers

[SomberXIII]

The Illusive Man. I still want to hate him but I can't.

[KotorEffect3]

This is a broad question and it depends on how you look at it.  You could argue for the Leviathans for starting the whole reaper mess by creating the catalyst.  You could point to Saren who attacked Eden Prime and inadverntantly getting Shepard involved who had found out about the reapers.  You could argue for Sovereign because he was pulling Saren's strings anyways.  Could also go with TIM because he brought Shepard back but if you are going to do that then you also have to include Liara, Miranda, and even the Shadow Broker in the conversation.  Then there are the prothean scientists who sent out their warning through the beacons in ME 1 which gave Shepard his visions.  So many candidates but in the end I am going to go with one man who always made his presence known.  Conrad Verner.

[CrutchCricket]

The Illusive Man. I still want to hate him but I can't.

I hate him just fine.

 

I acknowledge his character was pretty well written (in ME2 at least) and superbly acted in both games. But in-universe he's bad at his job and contributed exactly one good thing- enabling the return of Shepard.

[Flaine1996]

Admiral hackett.... his presence alone screams badass to me imho... and Anderson due to recruting Shepard and such

[N7Jamaican]

People hate TIM, but I think he's awesome!  

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Blasto.

[CrutchCricket]

He nearly ruined the whole Reaper war. 

 

So... that's something.

Every government nearly ruined the whole war by twiddling their thumbs all this time.

 

I guess he just almost ruined it more actively... or something.

[katamuro]

That shifty cow on the planet. It want's to pretend that its actually harmless but its ability to syphon credits wirelessly would wreak havoc in the galactic economy. What a wasted weapon Reapers might have used, much more destructive than any single reaper. Volus would cry if the cow got released on the citadel. 

[SwobyJ]

Ultimately - Shepard.
 
Until the end of ME3, its more up in the air, depending on perspective and importance.
 
Shepard is Mega Tier. He's beyond all the tiers. Whenever we see something with a lot of influence, more then Shepard, Shepard finds himself being more influential later on. He breaks the barriers. He's the anomaly.
 
Otherwise (Tiers are just BS ways to organize this):
Tier 1 - Intelligence (the architect)
Tier 2 - Harbinger, Sovereign, Reapers (the masters)
Tier 3 - Leviathans (possibly), Illusive Man, Saren (the manipulators)
Tier 4 - The Council, Liara, Council species leadership, Udina, Anderson, Hackett, etc (basically the majority of the big secondary characters we deal with as the trilogy goes on; I could get into specific placement of each, but it'd be very subjective - though of course by the end, Hackett for example is VERY influential in the midst of war)

Tier 5 - Minor species leadership (Citadel or Non-Citadel), other secondary characters, and so on.
 
 
Remember, this is 'in the ME universe'. As in the maximum influence within the Milky Way galaxy during the trilogy events. Obviously some characters/species have more influence than others at different times.
 
Influence - the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something, or the effect itself.

 

There's a bunch of influential figures in the MEU. Shepard starts off minimally influential (a N7 on a shakedown run), but as each game progresses (with soft-reset points at the start of each game), he ascends in influence no matter our choices. He accepts and rejects this in different ways depending on Paragon and Renegade. Paragon accepts being an inspirational influence but not as much an authoritative one. Renegade accepts being an authoritative one but not as much an inspirational one. Shepard himself is dragged along by outside manipulation and circumstance, but tolerates it due to his focus on the goal of stopping the Reapers (somewhat more Renegade) and bringing safety to the galaxy (somewhat more Paragon). He's a soldier, but he can be more or something else (and less of being a soldier itself). This eventually leads to him being given the authority to dictate the direction of the galaxy at a single moment, though ultimately only at that single moment - he's not best described as a ruler no matter how Paragon you go.

 

ME1 Shepard has him utterly in the dark to the world around him. He has a goal and he met that goal, and his influence extended only to those who coincidentally came along for the ride, and Shepard being persuasive enough at certain moments.

ME2 Shepard has him clearly persuasive towards the common denizen of the galaxy; its no problem to him at all now. However, he still stands as less influential than many figures in the majority of the galaxy, and far less influential than the 'Manipulators' (Tier 3).

ME3 Shepard has him persuasive towards the majority of the leaders of the galactic community. War pushes Shepard beyond being just a powerful individual (ME1-ME2 to different extents), but now even closer to a (metaphorical) force of nature. His past feats + current skills + dedication has, at least in a subjective sense, warped reality around him to the point where others respect and adhere to Shepard just for him being Shepard. He's now contending, in his own way, against the Manipulators (or at least the idea of the tier) on a regular basis.

 

It is only right near and at the end that it can be said that Shepard is more influential than Tier 1 and Tier 2. Tier 2 happens no matter what - he is able to bring changes to the situation of all of the Reapers (assuming this isn't a dream lmao). Tier 1, IMO, I guess depends on EMS. Did you have the Catalyst act resentfully, or did you have him seemingly gladly wanting to serve your purposes (all perspective here)? In any case, at least High EMS endings more clearly communicate a message of Shepard being the most influential person, influential single character in the MEU, if only at a single moment. After Destroy, he's dead or his influence can gradually lower (still a legend but the care about that will lessen over time, especially after age death of course). After Control, he's either keep being the most influential for a time, or he'll be dead and gone (replaced by 'CatalystShep'), so that depends much more on POV; and he makes clear that he's going to try to make room for the many to do what they will, only under his protection. This could mean letting others surpass him if its done in certain ways; it would at least fit Human Shepard's character, but no guarantees. After Synthesis you could say that he's in everyone and therefore will be maximally influential forever, but at least as an individual character, he's done so...

 

EDIT: I acknowledge that someone like Hackett may be considered more influential than TIM. Perhaps. Especially if we take Hackett's peak to be the charge to retake Earth. But still I'd consider TIM as an overall more influential character throughout the trilogy. For Shepard I consider him both influential (and gradually growing beyond everyone else) through the trilogy AND the most influential at a single point, so he stays in Mega Tier haha.