I am annoyed by the tutroial boxes at the beginning of Dragon Age Inquisition on PS4. Why I cannot deactivate this boxes? In Super Mario Bros. is also needed no tutorial. Dragon Age Inquisition has a stupid combat gameplay but the game is not more difficult.
In Dragon Age Origins we could also deactivate those annoying boxes. And no one had a problem with the gameplay. Learning by doing, not learning by reading some boxes.
I have nothing against a tutorial in general, but I'd be glad if I could switch it on/off like the subtitles.
I'm now on my second PT on Hard, I don't have to be reminded that I have to use 9 to use a potion.
should indeed be a toggle. default to on for first play but with the option to disable. easy solution, presumably takes very little development time/resources and makes everyone happier
I agree only with one thing here. We should be able to turn it off.
We should never be forced to learn by doing. Learning by doing is a terrible way to learn.
But those tutorial boxes should be avoidable. If there were documentation outside the game, the tutorial wouldn't have been necessary, and I would have preferred it that way. Then we could replay the game without having to deal with the tutorial, but also without the devs having to have put a toggle in the game.
A decent manual will always be better than an in-game tutorial.
I'm a proponent of in-game manuals. Especially in this day in age. First and foremost, they have the capability to be updated with relevant info if needed. Secondly, much less cost to produce, which hopefully means money spent in other places (lol), or at the very least, saves publishers money. Lastly, that's a lot of trees eaten up for something that can be outdated by the time the game actually hits store shelves.
I'm all for digital manuals that can be updated. I'd just like them to be accessible outside the game. Even if it were just online (even behind a paywall), but I want the game documented in a way I can read without having to be in the game to do it.I'm a proponent of in-game manuals. Especially in this day in age. First and foremost, they have the capability to be updated with relevant info if needed. Secondly, much less cost to produce, which hopefully means money spent in other places (lol), or at the very least, saves publishers money. Lastly, that's a lot of trees eaten up for something that can be outdated by the time the game actually hits store shelves.
That's certainly fair. I'd love to see digital manuals added to ebook shops in a way that let people download and read them on the go (if that's their thing) while also having access to them in-game, or by clicking on their game prior to startup.
We should never be forced to learn by doing. Learning by doing is a terrible way to learn.
But those tutorial boxes should be avoidable. If there were documentation outside the game, the tutorial wouldn't have been necessary, and I would have preferred it that way. Then we could replay the game without having to deal with the tutorial, but also without the devs having to have put a toggle in the game.
A decent manual will always be better than an in-game tutorial.
It depends on what you are learning, doesn't it?
If you are learning to perform open heart surgery, then, yes, it would be terrible (and also very likely tragic). Bike riding? Different story.
I do agree with you, though, that it is preferable to learn by reading where appropriate and that the option should exist to skip the tutorials. My biggest gripe with DA2, except for The Cave, was the fact you had to play the tutorial every time before reaching the CC.
The presence of an unskippable tutorial doesn't bother me if it is, in and of itself, fun to play. The tutorial at the beginning of the NWN OC is fun, so I like playing it. That said, it was also skippable, so it was the best of both worlds.
But regardless of whether there's a tutorial, and rgardless of whether it is skippable, I want complete documentation available somewhere. In one place. Reading the documentation in DAI is irritating, because it's scattered through the codex and the UI. A single document, in the style of a traditional software manual, would be superior.
I probably want that even more than I want the silent protagonist back.
Also, RPG gameplay is primarily (hopefully entirely) an intellectual exercise. While learning to ride a bike may well require repeated physical attempts, I can't think of an intellectual pursuit that isn't best learned from a book.It depends on what you are learning, doesn't it?
If you are learning to perform open heart surgery, then, yes, it would be terrible (and also very likely tragic). Bike riding? Different story.
Also, RPG gameplay is primarily (hopefully entirely) an intellectual exercise. While learning to ride a bike may well require repeated physical attempts, I can't think of an intellectual pursuit that isn't best learned from a book.
The presence of an unskippable tutorial doesn't bother me if it is, in and of itself, fun to play.
But regardless of whether there's a tutorial, and rgardless of whether it is skippable, I want complete documentation available somewhere. In one place. Reading the documentation in DAI is irritating, because it's scattered through the codex and the UI. A single document, in the style of a traditional software manual, would be superior.
True, but until we have some sort of neural net for control of our PC/console a video RPG will always require some physical input from the player, thus a "learn by doing" approach will likely remain valid for some time yet.
We could become more efficient by doing, but in my ideal RPG there's no way to play more effectively simply through having more practice.
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This would be great. I'm kind of surprised it wasn't included.Seriously. At least give us the option to turn off tutorials after the first playthrough.
The presence of an unskippable tutorial doesn't bother me if it is, in and of itself, fun to play. The tutorial at the beginning of the NWN OC is fun, so I like playing it. That said, it was also skippable, so it was the best of both worlds.
But regardless of whether there's a tutorial, and rgardless of whether it is skippable, I want complete documentation available somewhere. In one place. Reading the documentation in DAI is irritating, because it's scattered through the codex and the UI. A single document, in the style of a traditional software manual, would be superior.
I probably want that even more than I want the silent protagonist back.
While I certainly agree that bringing back full manuals is a good thing, I would add the caveat that I shouldn't ever have to read the manual. The game itself should provide me with all the information on how to play it while I play.
I wouldn't object to that, but I would also like the converse to be true: Once I've read the manual, I should be able to play the game without ever seeing the tutorial.While I certainly agree that bringing back full manuals is a good thing, I would add the caveat that I shouldn't ever have to read the manual. The game itself should provide me with all the information on how to play it while I play.
Seriously. At least give us the option to turn off tutorials after the first playthrough.
I don't why it's so hard to implement. This isn't the only game that does this.
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