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[Sylvius the Mad]

I don't know what it is, but old games are just difficult for me to work up the will to keep playing now. For example, I played KOTOR many years ago and absolutely loved it, but nowadays I just can't do it anymore. It's weird.

Anyway, that's the same difficulty I had with TW1.

I only asked because the claim that TW1 was "really dated" came from In Exile, someone whose opinion I generally respect (though don't always share).

[FKA_Servo]

Since I happily still play old games, I doubt that would bother me.

Old doesn't necessarily equal bad.

 

 

I had a hard time getting started with TW1 because, aside from the combat being genuinely awful, the game looks and feels drastically older than it actually is (awkward graphics, awkward UI, awkward cutscenes, awkward VO delivery, and so on, and so on...).

 

The delivery of the content was so bad that it took me three different attempts to get far enough into the game that the quality of the overall story finally hooked me and I could play through to the end.

 

Thankfully, CDPR seems to have learned their lessons with regard to these issues. TW2 was improved in all of these aspects except for the combat (which was drastically different but nearly as bad), and TW3 seems to be well-made in pretty much all of these aspects.

 

To me, The Witcher feels extra old and extra clumsy in pretty much every category Pdusen mentions. The dialog is incredibly stilted and awkward (more than half the time, it doesn't flow at all, Geralt's delivery is boring boring boring, etc), and it's just sort of ugly (shows how important decent art direction is... at least they figured that out in the sequel).

 

Since I'm finding that I'm quite emphatically not immune to TW3, I started playing TW1 again from the start the other night, and with the eventual payoff of TW3 (which I suspect I'll enjoy), I'm having a better time with it than I did the last time I tried it a couple of years ago. Though, I found myself stymied at precisely the same point I was the first time I tried playing it - The Beast, at the end of chapter 1. I actually beat it this time, but holy dammit, my impression of the gameplay has not changed in the slightest. The controls are terrible.

Modifié par TommyServo, 01 juin 2015 - 06:56 .

[Kantr]

To me, The Witcher feels extra old and extra clumsy in pretty much every category Pdusen mentions. The dialog is incredibly stilted and awkward (more than half the time, it doesn't flow at all, Geralt's delivery is boring boring boring, etc), and it's just sort of ugly (shows how important decent art direction is... at least they figured that out in the sequel).

 

Since I'm finding that I'm quite emphatically not immune to TW3, I started playing TW1 again from the start the other night, and I found myself stymied at precisely the same point I was the first time I tried playing it - The Beast, at the end of chapter 1. I actually beat it this time, but holy dammit, my impression of the gameplay has not changed in the slightest. The controls are terrible.

From all accounts it's much better than when it first came out. Where lots of dialogue was cut and the gameplay and graphics were not very good compared to how it is now.

Modifié par Kantr, 01 juin 2015 - 07:12 .

[Dreadstruck]

Since I'm finding that I'm quite emphatically not immune to TW3, I started playing TW1 again from the start the other night, and with the eventual payoff of TW3 (which I suspect I'll enjoy), I'm having a better time with it than I did the last time I tried it a couple of years ago. Though, I found myself stymied at precisely the same point I was the first time I tried playing it - The Beast, at the end of chapter 1. I actually beat it this time, but holy dammit, my impression of the gameplay has not changed in the slightest. The controls are terrible.

 
Stay strong, brother. TW3 is worth it.

[RINNZ]

Stay strong, brother. TW3 is worth it.

IMO the Witcher 1 is *sucks in air, blows a quick raspberry*.

[Dreadstruck]

IMO the Witcher 1 is *sucks in air, blows a quick raspberry*.

Again, I have no idea what that means.

[FKA_Servo]

From all accounts it's much better than when it first came out. Where lots of dialogue was cut and the gameplay and graphics were not good.

 

[Torgette]

Most games from 2005-2007 haven't aged that well graphically, TW1 isn't terrible compared to other games from that era.

[FKA_Servo]

Most games from 2005-2007 haven't aged that well graphically, TW1 isn't terrible compared to other games from that era.

 

I don't know. I really think Mass Effect, for example, holds up very well, thanks to it's wonderful art design. Similarly, I still think DAO is pretty ugly. The graphics in TW1 aren't great, and they are dated, but to make matters worse, there is nothing particularly striking about the game's aesthetic. Those two things added together isn't pretty.

 

I played the Grim Fandango remaster when it came out earlier this year, and they don't seem to have done much of anything to improve the visuals. It was originally released in 1998, and it's still lovely. Ditto for WoW. The visuals, from what I can tell, haven't changed significantly from release in 2004, but the art style is so well done that I feel it still looks great more than a decade later.

[Sifr]

He treats them poorly? Have we played the same game here?

 

Well, less so with Yen because she treats him the same. But when it comes to his relationship with Triss, it's more than a little messed up since he basically treats her like Yen treats him, knowing that she'll put up with it because she's so enamoured with him?

 

You can't deny that he does have somewhat unhealthy relationships with both of the main women in his life?

[Steelcan]

Well, less so with Yen because she treats him the same. But when it comes to his relationship with Triss, it's more than a little messed up since he basically treats her like Yen treats him, knowing that she'll put up with it because she's so enamoured with him?

 

You can't deny that he does have somewhat unhealthy relationships with both of the main women in his life?

which Triss did you have?

[Br3admax]

"Triss don't leave me because feelings."

"Nah, see you later."

 

/Geralt contemplates suicide while the fat dude that followed them around town talks in the background. 

 

You can't deny that he does have somewhat unhealthy relationships with both of the main women in his life?

You know, you don't have to play the game. You could at least just youtube it before posting about it. Geralt's relationship with Triss isn't anything like how you're describing it.

[Torgette]

I don't know. I really think Mass Effect, for example, holds up very well, thanks to it's wonderful art design. Similarly, I still think DAO is pretty ugly. The graphics in TW1 aren't great, and they are dated, but to make matters worse, there is nothing particularly striking about the game's aesthetic. Those two things added together isn't pretty.

 

I played the Grim Fandango remaster when it came out earlier this year, and they don't seem to have done much of anything to improve the visuals. It was originally released in 1998, and it's still lovely. Ditto for WoW. The visuals, from what I can tell, haven't changed significantly from release in 2004, but the art style is so well done that I feel it still looks great more than a decade later.

 

Sure, art style goes a really really long way to making a game age well. As much as we parrot dirty realistic games today, they'll look dated in 10 years while the clean ones still look good.

[Dreadstruck]

Well, less so with Yen because she treats him the same. But when it comes to his relationship with Triss, it's more than a little messed up since he basically treats her like Yen treats him, knowing that she'll put up with it because she's so enamoured with him?

 

You can't deny that he does have somewhat unhealthy relationships with both of the main women in his life?

 

No offense, but I am less and less convinced that you have even played the same game as me. Or paid attention during the said game. Their relationship is absolutely nothing like you describe, even if you always pick the lowest responses.

 

At no point he ever treats her like Yennefer. The harshest thing he might have said to her was in TW2, when he didn't wanted her to go with him because she would get harmed. That's about it. He doesn't insult, he doesn't tease her and he doesn't blackmail or abuse her (emotionally or physically) because he's fiercely loyal to his friends and lover(s). Even after you save Phillipa or Anais instead of Triss, he still sounds worried and caring when talking to her.

 

Hell, he doesn't even use her and it's him who keeps getting used by her all time (TW1 and TW2, TW3 to some extent), especially when she's taking advantage of his amnesia and ignorance of Yennefer at the time.

[Mihura]

Well, less so with Yen because she treats him the same. But when it comes to his relationship with Triss, it's more than a little messed up since he basically treats her like Yen treats him, knowing that she'll put up with it because she's so enamoured with him?

 

You can't deny that he does have somewhat unhealthy relationships with both of the main women in his life?

 

In what sense? I am actually curious about this. Geralt as a character can be a bit of a fuckboy in the games but treating Triss, Yen or Keira badly I really do not remember, Philippa sure and Sile in TW 2/3 but that last one I blame the devs.

[Seraphim24]

What everyone is ignoring about the relationships (regardless of precisely how people treat it each other and so on) in TW3 is that they exist at all in a video game.

 

Something like Beyond Good and Evil (which I guess FemFreq liked) is basically just an extreme violent female power fantasy, and doesn't have much to say on relationships of any kind.

 

The same for pretty much most games out,

 

Ignoring sex and relationships isn't the same thing as treating the subject matter properly.

[FKA_Servo]

Something like Beyond Good and Evil (which I guess FemFreq liked) is basically just an extreme violent female power fantasy, and doesn't have much to say on relationships of any kind.

 

This is an interesting interpretation of BG&E, to say the least.

[Seraphim24]

This is an interesting interpretation of BG&E, to say the least.

 

You spend most of the game powering up and beating up and killing things so... /shrug.

 

If I have to pick between a sadist and a struggling romantic I'll pick the latter.

[Grieving Natashina]

To be fair, Inquisition is guilty of this. You need to have read The Masked Empire to really have an informed interest in Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts. The entire backstory for this quest plays out in the books, as does any characterization and development of Celene, Gaspard and Brialla. Going into that quest it felt like we were supposed to know who they are and what's going on already. 

I also wanted to give Emprise du Lion a mention as well.  I'm glad I had read TME, because otherwise I would have had no reason to care about Michel and the Empress, and Imshael would have been just another boss fight.  As it was, Imshael got about his first line out before my character was going, "Die demon!"  

 

I also had a buddy of mine mention right after release that they felt left in the dark about Cole.  The game assumes you read Asunder, and to be honest (aside from intentional shout-out to things like The Sixth Sense,) his story doesn't make a lot of sense when you first recruit him.  If you make him human it's a little easier, but something I didn't like was how much the story seemed to rely on the EU.  That never sits well with me.  The EU should be there to supplement the story, not required reading in order to get any major character development for plot-important NPCs like the Empress, Gaspard, ect.   

 

If, say, the developers include any villains from future EU or from a DA:I DLC, there should some more development within the game.  I say this as a big fan of DA:I, but this game has been the worst about telling and not showing in the series.  I think it's one of the worst for the company, to be completely honest.  There is a lot of story there, but too much of it was regulated to the EU, a DLC (Like with Legacy, which explains a lot about Cory) and/or to the codex.  

 

For all that they talked about DA:I being a good game to jump into as a beginner, they certainly seemed to have expected any player to be familiar with at least Asunder and TME.  Which is strange, because via exposition (Varric's good at that,) a player can an overall decent summation of DA2.  They can also have a fairly decent one of DA:O, between Solas, Leliana and the Req Officer at Haven.  I really hope that they handle the incorporation of their EU and codex information in DA4 and beyond with far more grace. 

[pdusen]

I don't know. I really think Mass Effect, for example, holds up very well, thanks to it's wonderful art design. Similarly, I still think DAO is pretty ugly. The graphics in TW1 aren't great, and they are dated, but to make matters worse, there is nothing particularly striking about the game's aesthetic. Those two things added together isn't pretty.

 

I actually played Mass Effect and TW1 at roughly the same time (obviously, their sequels were already out by then), and I agree with your assessment. ME has held up better.

[RINNZ]

Again, I have no idea what that means.

You know when you puff your cheeks and stick your tongue out, making a wet continuous blowing noise? The thing you'd to tease someone when you were a kid?

That's blowing a raspberry.

[Grieving Natashina]

You know when you puff your cheeks and stick your tongue out, making a wet continuous blowing noise? The thing you'd to tease someone when you were a kid?

That's blowing a raspberry.

Aka Sera's fart noise.

[RINNZ]

Aka Sera's fart noise.

Basically.

Also, I see that you saved Ashley in your little Mass Effect imgur thingamerjangalang.

You're no longer worth my time.

[Grieving Natashina]

Basically.

Also, I see that you saved Ashley in your little Mass Effect imgur thingamerjangalang.

You're no longer worth my time.

Only on that session.  My other one is romancing Kaidan and Ash is a memory.  Both are on hold, because I have attention issues.

 

Besides, I actually got to meet Kimberly Brooks at Denver Comic Con in 2013.  Her speaking voice is the same as Ash, only a little softer.  So I had trouble killing her off in ME for a little while.  I got over it.  

[Br3admax]

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