Well, GM and other car manufacturers are trying to do that.
"Hey, you know what'd be a great idea?"
"What GM?"
"Let's take a practice with a lot of history and cultural impact in the US, all the way back from the 1900's, and make it illegal!"
"..."
"It's great innite? So good you're speechless!"
"This is why you keep going bankrupt."
I'm playing Dead or Alive 5 with nude mods. It is so good that it should be illegal.
Well, it probably is. I'm a criminal again.
You should be a criminal in the same vein as Robin Hood by sharing it with the needy.
Private Messaging could be your weapon. 
They've only gone bankrupt once, there is always time for more."Hey, you know what'd be a great idea?"
"What GM?"
"Let's take a practice with a lot of history and cultural impact in the US, all the way back from the 1900's, and make it illegal!"
"..."
"It's great innite? So good you're speechless!"
"This is why you keep going bankrupt."
I used to love Trans ams... They were once my favourite car
Nope, I don't think it's an issue to get your console banned from an online service or voiding warranty by modding, but it shouldn't be illegal, and it shouldn't result in an account ban either.
Well one could make the same argument about cars as well. You could look at someone spending money to modify a 90's toyota and go, "Well that's just a waste of money, if they want to go fast they should just by a porsche or a corvette, or a new subaru."
You could be right, but at the same time, if a person doesn't want to deal with a computers operating system but wants a hardware upgrade to improve their games graphics, then that's their prerogative.
No matter what though, it's idiotic to outlaw modification of consoles. Especially since most of these mods are being done for a customer-per-customer formula, not being mass produced to upset the market at large. It is, very much so, like outlawing modifying a PC or a car.
I agree that it's stupid to make it actually illegal, I just don't really see the point.
If you want to make a car run like a Porsche and it will cost you as much as a Porsche but wont be able to do everything that the Porsche does, why don't you just buy the Porsche?
I agree that it's stupid to make it actually illegal, I just don't really see the point.
If you want to make a car run like a Porsche and it will cost you as much as a Porsche but wont be able to do everything that the Porsche does, why don't you just buy the Porsche?
Because having the freedom to not have to buy a porsche is more important than the option to buy a porsche, and nothing else.
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Couldn't you once upon a time install Linux on the original PS3? It was a feature of that console.
Yeah you could. They removed the feature though.
Honestly, I think modding consoles should be the next step for console gaming.
No. The purpose of a console is to be cheap and reliable with no fuss. The minute you open it up to modding or altering of the hardware you open up a can of worms for everybody involved. If you want that sort of experience go PC instead.
Only objection I have to modding consoles is it undermines the pricing model. The manufacturers can't keep subsidizing their consoles and expect to make up the difference in software sales if people are just going to buy their consoles in bulk, jailbreak them, and stack them together to build super computers.
Because having the freedom to not have to buy a porsche is more important than the option to buy a porsche, and nothing else.
and I'm not saying people shouldn't have that freedom. I'm not even saying that people shouldn't have the right to buy something else and try to make it like a Porsche.
I'm saying that I don't understand why you would want to buy something else just so you can spend an equivalent amount of money trying to make it like a Porsche.
If you want the Porsche, then just buy the Porsche.
No. The purpose of a console is to be cheap and reliable with no fuss. The minute you open it up to modding or altering of the hardware you open up a can of worms for everybody involved. If you want that sort of experience go PC instead.
I thought the purpose of a console was to play games. Or am I just an old man barking at the wind in that regard?
Only objection I have to modding consoles is it undermines the pricing model. The manufacturers can't keep subsidizing their consoles and expect to make up the difference in software sales if people are just going to buy their consoles in bulk, jailbreak them, and stack them together to build super computers.
Someone take the Air Force to court, clearly they've broken intellectual property law.
and I'm not saying people shouldn't have that freedom. I'm not even saying that people shouldn't have the right to buy something else and try to make it like a Porsche.
I'm saying that I don't understand why you would want to buy something else just so you can spend an equivalent amount of money trying to make it like a Porsche.
If you want the Porsche, then just buy the Porsche.
You should ask that of every modder and emulator out there tbh. "If you wanted nude people in your game than just buy a porn game", "If you wanted a lightsaber in skyrim you should just buy knights of the old republic", "If you want to see mario in a megaman level then you should just buy megaman for the super nintendo after buying a super nintendo".
You should ask that of every modder and emulator out there tbh. "If you wanted nude people in your game than just buy a porn game", "If you wanted a lightsaber in skyrim you should just buy knights of the old republic", "If you want to see mario in a megaman level then you should just buy megaman for the super nintendo after buying a super nintendo".
Where did I say that any modding was pointless?
If somebody tried to make a Skyrim mod that completely overhauled the game so that it was almost identical to KotoR in every way then yes, I would ask that person why they don't just buy KotoR. A lightsaber doesn't suddenly turn Skyrim into a BioWare RPG.
That's the entire point: It's not that people want modding on a Console, but rather that they seem to want to take a Console and just turn it into a PC while keeping the more restrictive operating system that MS/Sony/Nintendo have complete control over.
If you want something, does it not make more sense to buy that something rather than buying something else and trying to force it to act like the thing you wanted in the first place?
I'm saying that I don't understand why you would want to buy something else just so you can spend an equivalent amount of money trying to make it like a Porsche.
If you want the Porsche, then just buy the Porsche.
Where did I say that any modding was pointless?
If somebody tried to make a Skyrim mod that completely overhauled the game so that it was almost identical to KotoR in every way then yes, I would ask that person why they don't just buy KotoR. A lightsaber doesn't suddenly turn Skyrim into a BioWare RPG.
That's the entire point: It's not that people want modding on a Console, but rather that they seem to want to take a Console and just turn it into a PC while keeping the more restrictive operating system that MS/Sony/Nintendo have complete control over.
If you want something, does it not make more sense to buy that something rather than buying something else and trying to force it to act like the thing you wanted in the first place?
So to you, people wanting their consoles to have better graphics capabilites, or to say improve the memory capability, or give their consoles a different casing, instantly makes them just a PC knockoff?
How crappy are PC's if a cosmetic or utility change is enough to make a console their equal? And again, maybe there are people who don't want what PC has to offer? Maybe they like the interface of their playstation or xbox or hell, let's throw nintendo in that as well.
I don't get your point of not getting the simple concept of people wanting to improve something over just buying it brand new. Surely there's something in your life you have such emotions towards?
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Where did I say that any modding was pointless?
If somebody tried to make a Skyrim mod that completely overhauled the game so that it was almost identical to KotoR in every way then yes, I would ask that person why they don't just buy KotoR. A lightsaber doesn't suddenly turn Skyrim into a BioWare RPG.
That's the entire point: It's not that people want modding on a Console, but rather that they seem to want to take a Console and just turn it into a PC while keeping the more restrictive operating system that MS/Sony/Nintendo have complete control over.
If you want something, does it not make more sense to buy that something rather than buying something else and trying to force it to act like the thing you wanted in the first place?
->Mod my console to the point where it keeps the same architecture but has better graphical capabilities. Seems good to me.
->Keep my games and exclusives while I improve system software
->Turn my machine into something else for cheap. See ps3 as supercomputer
->Access to peripherals only available for the console.
->Add more features on your own to your machine instead of paying for it to be customized.
I could see many scenarios for this.
I was once doing a contract where I had to reverse engineer old software(pre internet) and recreate it with exposure to the internet. If we approached the company that made the software, we would have had to pay $70,000. I was cheaper.
So to you, people wanting their consoles to have better graphics capabilites, or to say improve the memory capability, or give their consoles a different casing, instantly makes them just a PC knockoff?
How crappy are PC's if a cosmetic or utility change is enough to make a console their equal? And again, maybe there are people who don't want what PC has to offer? Maybe they like the interface of their playstation or xbox or hell, let's throw nintendo in that as well.
I don't get your point of not getting the simple concept of people wanting to improve something over just buying it brand new. Surely there's something in your life you have such emotions towards?
It's not about being crappy, it's just how the tech works. Consoles actually are just PCs without high end hardware in a custom casing with a custom operating system.
Again it's not about wanting to improve something. It's about people buying item Y and wanting to turn it into item X, instead of just buying item X which is what you obviously wanted in the first place.
The only exception is the PS3 which has been mentioned. It used a unique architecture which offered a lot of processing power for the cost. This unfortunately made it kind of a pain to develop games for, especially multi-platform games.
->Mod my console to the point where it keeps the same architecture but has better graphical capabilities. Seems good to me.
->Keep my games and exclusives while I improve system software
->Turn my machine into something else for cheap. See ps3 as supercomputer
->Access to peripherals only available for the console.
->Add more features on your own to your machine instead of paying for it to be customized.
I could see many scenarios for this.
I was once doing a contract where I had to reverse engineer old software(pre internet) and recreate it with exposure to the internet. If we approached the company that made the software, we would have had to pay $70,000. I was cheaper.
Exclusive games and peripherals is just strong arming people into buying your system. We could have an entirely new thread on why I think that's stupid(from a customer perspective). Thanks to USB, there's no real reason why things can't be universal and we already can plug in our Xbox controllers into a Windows PC.
However I'm not saying there's no up side to hardware that can be customized. I'm saying that it defeats the main strengths of a Console in an attempt to make have the exact same benefits of a PC.
Only objection I have to modding consoles is it undermines the pricing model. The manufacturers can't keep subsidizing their consoles and expect to make up the difference in software sales if people are just going to buy their consoles in bulk, jailbreak them, and stack them together to build super computers.
I think that is brilliant.
How are the makers of consoles subsidizing everyone?
It's not about being crappy, it's just how the tech works. Consoles actually are just PCs without high end hardware in a custom casing with a custom operating system.
Again it's not about wanting to improve something. It's about people buying item Y and wanting to turn it into item X, instead of just buying item X which is what you obviously wanted in the first place.
The only exception is the PS3 which has been mentioned. It used a unique architecture which offered a lot of processing power for the cost. This unfortunately made it kind of a pain to develop games for, especially multi-platform games.
Exclusive games and peripherals is just strong arming people into buying your system. We could have an entirely new thread on why I think that's stupid(from a customer perspective). Thanks to USB, there's no real reason why things can't be universal and we already can plug in our Xbox controllers into a Windows PC.
However I'm not saying there's no up side to hardware that can be customized. I'm saying that it defeats the main strengths of a Console in an attempt to make have the exact same benefits of a PC.
It's really starting to sound like you're just being obtuse about this whole thing.
Thanks to USB, there's no real reason why things can't be universal and we already can plug in our Xbox controllers into a Windows PC.
Is that why MS are selling xbox controllers in two packages? When I bought mine there were two controllers, both identical one had a box marked "for xbox" and the other "for PC" yet they were the same controller. Both had USB cables. Or is there an actual difference, oh and the price was different for each..
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However I'm not saying there's no up side to hardware that can be customized. I'm saying that it defeats the main strengths of a Console in an attempt to make have the exact same benefits of a PC.
A console is specifically made and optimized for multimedia applications.The purpose of a general purpose computer is to give an architecture that is suitable to run any application. If I had the same hardware on my PC vs a console, the console would run better. If I wanted to push my rendering, I would mod the console in that aspect.
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