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[Qun00]

Gameplay wise, I absolutely love it.

What I do question is if it makes any sense from the story's perspective.

Would you say this is no more than some obvious ego stroking, as well as a sadistic game like a cat playing with its food before eating?

Or is there a point to the Inquisitor holding a brief trial for their prisoners and passing judgment?

It's not like the nations of Thedas don't have their own legal system.

[TheDovah]

A majority of our prisoners do get turned over to the Inquisition or were captured by the Inquisiton. It doesn't  really answer to anyone apart from itself and not many nations are going to argue with the organistion that is stopping a darkspawn from destroying the well. It is suppose to make the Inquisitor feel like he/she is in charge but to be honest? I would have preferred for there to be  a lot more options along with it potentially backfiring on you. It is a response to Awakening's being criticised for not really being able to rule the land.

[thats1evildude]

I would be shocked if an organization called the Inquisition wasn't carrying out trials.

 

And yes,Thedas has a legal system, but in several cases the presiding authority is happy to leave the case to the Inquisition or the defendant has committted crimes against all of Thedas.

[Qun00]

A majority of our prisoners do get turned over to the Inquisition or were captured by the Inquisiton. It doesn't really answer to anyone apart from itself and not many nations are going to argue with the organistion that is stopping a darkspawn from destroying the well. It is suppose to make the Inquisitor feel like he/she is in charge but to be honest? I would have preferred for there to be a lot more options along with it potentially backfiring on you. It is a response to Awakening's being criticised for not really being able to rule the land.

Yes, these are prisoners captured by the Inquisition. But Orlais and Ferelden do have the authority to demand that these criminals be turned over for a trial.

Anyhow, while this is part of the question I'm not simply asking whether this is legitimate.

It's about the Why. Simply... why do it at all?

[Broganisity]

Logically it makes sense: Inquisition takes prisoners and the Inquisitor deals judgement on them. But story-wise it means nothing other than, hey, more flavor scenes for you. There's no notable impact regardless.

[Qun00]

Logically it makes sense, but really it means next to nothing for the most part. Flavor scenes, barring the famous 'Goat Scene'.

This thread is about the story rather than gameplay.

[LOLandStuff]

Well, the people you judge did get in the way of the Inquisition.

[The Baconer]

No, as is demonstrated in the Keep.

 

Like, ****'s sake I can't even off Samson or Tranquil non-mages.

[Qun00]

No, as is demonstrated in the Keep.

Like, ****'s sake I can't even off Samson or Tranquil non-mages.

I'm not asking if doing it matters, but whether there is any practical reason to motivate it.

What is there to be gained? Why not let the proper authorities handle it? And so on.

[Elhanan]

This thread is about the story rather than gameplay.

Story and lore focus seems to be that the Inquisition holds this much importance; a group that is able to have their judgments supported and respected by others of like prestige (eg; Orlais).

[TheDovah]

Yes, these are prisoners captured by the Inquisition. But Orlais and Ferelden do have the authority to demand that these criminals be turned over for a trial.

Anyhow, while this is part of the question I'm not simply asking whether this is legitimate.

It's about the Why. Simply... why do it at all?

 

My bad, misunderstood the original post.

 

 

As Inquisitor, it comes with the rule. The chantry is in no position to put those we have captured on trial. Ferelden and Orlais have their own problems or their rulers feel that it's not their position to put X on trial. The Templars and the Wardens are two organisations that neither country have control over. The Inquisition is the only organisation that is capable of handling the red templars on a large scale along with the venatori and it's our responsibility to deal with it. The entire purpose of the Inquisiton is to bring order to the world thus the Inquisitor must offer a trial followed by the suitable judgements. Do wish the Inquisitor could wear their armour whilst doing it. 

[myahele]

The only time it can back fire is if you make mage's tranquil

[S.W.]

I suppose this depends on how you play it, but the Inquisition pretty much stops Orlais from crumbling. If it doesn't disband after the next divine is chosen, it's quite possible that given the Inquisition's strength, and Orlais (and potentially, the Chantry's) weakness, and how both of those organisations turn and rely on the Inquisition's ability to inspire and organise, that the Inquisition becomes the de facto government of southern Orlais in many places. I can't see the presence of its soldiers and scouts disappearing so easily.

 

It'd be quite possible - if your Inquisitor pushes their organisation in that direction - that the Inquisition is setting itself up as an imperial power in the south which can challenge Tevinter. For the Inquisition to be recognised as a power on that level, I think it needs to mimic the functions of an empire - including a legal system.

 

Either way, I think judgement missions signal the Inquisition's strength and how its primary allies - Ferelden and Orlais - are indebted to it. I think that's important by itself, but I think judgement potentially sets up the Inquisition as something more formal and with the potential to be more powerful.

[The Baconer]

What is there to be gained? Why not let the proper authorities handle it? And so on.

 

Oh. Well, as others have stated, it showcases the authority the Inquisition has within the eyes of Ferelden and Orlais (and the Free Marches, and so on).

[Sifr]

I would be shocked if an organization called the Inquisition wasn't carrying out trials.

 

And yes,Thedas has a legal system, but in several cases the presiding authority is happy to leave the case to the Inquisition or the defendant has committted crimes against all of Thedas.

 

I'm still confused why the Inquisitor, leader of what is essentially an NGO, has enough authority to decide to exile all of Orlais Wardens without asking for the consent of either Gaspard or Celene first and have that ruling stick?

 

At least when Arland exiled the Wardens from Ferelden, they'd led a coup against him personally and he was in charge. That seemed like the Inquisition was massively overreaching their authority when it came to deciding how Orlais should deal with it's Wardens going rogue.

[S.W.]

I'm still confused why the Inquisitor, leader of what is essentially an NGO, has enough authority to decide to exile all of Orlais Wardens without asking for the consent of either Gaspard or Celene first and have that ruling stick?

 

At least when Arland exiled the Wardens from Ferelden, they'd led a coup against him personally and he was in charge. That seemed like the Inquisition was massively overreaching their authority when it came to deciding how Orlais should deal with it's Wardens going rogue.

 

The decision to exile Wardens was one I always questioned, but if you haven't gone to the Winter Palace yet, it makes a bit more sense given that Orlais is in the midst of civil war and its legal authority in tatters. I can headcanon around it, essentially. Otherwise, no, you're completely right. Wardens' authority should in theory (although not in practice) supersede nations, let alone something like the Inquisition.

 

I always thought a name as grand and imperial as 'the Inquisition' implied something more sinister and expansionist than an NGO, like the beginnings of a new holy empire, but that just is probably me and how I play the game.

[In Exile]

Well, the people you judge did get in the way of the Inquisition.

 

And where they didn't you have the option to send them off to be judged by their regional authority (cf. Crestwood). One person gets sent to you from Orlais. 

[AlexiaRevan]

One thing that always made me laugh , but why do you get gain/Loss with companions when you Judge ? None of them is standing there for one . And only those concerned (alexius=dorian) should gain or lose approval . 

 

Add to that , as the leader of the Inquisition nobody should have a say anyway . 

 

I didn't think it was amazing , to sit in Judgement . It lacked something..maybe a higher platform . Had more fun Jumping in the Ring back in Ozammar as a castless in disguise then doing this . 

[Sifr]

The decision to exile Wardens was one I always questioned, but if you haven't gone to the Winter Palace yet, it makes a bit more sense given that Orlais is in the midst of civil war and its legal authority in tatters. I can headcanon around it, essentially. Otherwise, no, you're completely right. Wardens' authority should in theory (although not in practice) supersede nations, let alone something like the Inquisition.

 

I always thought a name as grand and imperial as 'the Inquisition' implied something more sinister and expansionist than an NGO, like the beginnings of a new holy empire, but that just is probably me and how I play the game.

 

If you did Adamant before Halamshiral, my best bet (and headcanon) is that it was technically unlawful, but Celene was too busy fighting the war to pay attention to it, while post-Winter Palace, Celene or Gaspard deferred to the judgment since they owed you a favour (or two).

 

The Warden's superceding national authoriy always made sense to me as well, since what they do is essentially no different than the Inquisition, only they choose to operate in the shadows and their main focus is fighting Darkspawn. I guess that with the Blight ten years past, no-one's willing to give them the latitude anymore... although I'd love to see the Inquisition suffer this problem in years to come, after the Breach crisis has been forgotten.

 

When it comes to saving the world though, the Wardens are still in the lead over the Inquisition? Even if their leaders went rogue, seems a little shortsighted to exile them entirely from Orlais, especially when the worse we can do to the Mages and Templars going rogue is to conscript them into the Inquisition's forces.

[In Exile]

One thing that always made me laugh , but why do you get gain/Loss with companions when you Judge ? None of them is standing there for one . And only those concerned (alexius=dorian) should gain or lose approval .

Add to that , as the leader of the Inquisition nobody should have a say anyway .

I didn't think it was amazing , to sit in Judgement . It lacked something..maybe a higher platform . Had more fun Jumping in the Ring back in Ozammar as a castless in disguise then doing this .

You're judging someone in a public antechamber. Your sentence is usually quite visible even in its consequence (e.g. if it is an execution). Of course companions will hear of it. It only makes sense.

[In Exile]

I'm still confused why the Inquisitor, leader of what is essentially an NGO, has enough authority to decide to exile all of Orlais Wardens without asking for the consent of either Gaspard or Celene first and have that ruling stick?

At least when Arland exiled the Wardens from Ferelden, they'd led a coup against him personally and he was in charge. That seemed like the Inquisition was massively overreaching their authority when it came to deciding how Orlais should deal with it's Wardens going rogue.

You exiled them on the authority of "if you stick around we'll kill you all" and the rest of Orlais doesn't have much complaint when you reveal the "used a blood magic ritual to summon a demon army" whether or not you add the "for a darkspawn/magister monstrosity" part.

[Sifr]

You exiled them on the authority of "if you stick around we'll kill you all" and the rest of Orlais doesn't have much complaint when you reveal the "used a blood magic ritual to summon a demon army" whether or not you add the "for a darkspawn/magister monstrosity" part.

 

True, although that we see that not all the Wardens supported the plan, some were fighting back and actually can help the Inquisition to fight their comrades if you convince them to aid you, makes the total exile option seem a bit drastic?

 

Perfectly valid since we know what would have happened if they'd succeeded, so I can't fault the reasoning for exiling them. Just feel bad for those who fought back to prevent it, only to get exiled for their troubles... seems like cutting off the nose to spite the face?

 

(I ended up being a recruiting judge overall, since I prefer pragmaticism over punishment)

[AlexiaRevan]

True, although that we see that not all the Wardens supported the plan, some were fighting back and actually can help the Inquisition to fight their comrades if you convince them to aid you, makes the total exile option seem a bit drastic?

 

Perfectly valid since we know what would have happened if they'd succeeded, so I can't fault the reasoning for exiling them. Just feel bad for those who fought back to prevent it, only to get exiled for their troubles... seems like cutting off the nose to spite the face?

 

(I ended up being a recruiting judge overall, since I prefer pragmaticism over punishment)

maybe emotional reaction? if ya let Strood die...and all...and come out pissed and cranky and go 'Get out of my Lawn!' ...

[DarkKnightHolmes]

The purpose is to increase and decrease approvals of companions.

[Incantrix]

I'm still confused why the Inquisitor, leader of what is essentially an NGO, has enough authority to decide to exile all of Orlais Wardens without asking for the consent of either Gaspard or Celene first and have that ruling stick?

 

At least when Arland exiled the Wardens from Ferelden, they'd led a coup against him personally and he was in charge. That seemed like the Inquisition was massively overreaching their authority when it came to deciding how Orlais should deal with it's Wardens going rogue.

 

Ahaha, that's cute. You seem to think that you need permission from them when they are 9/10 eating from the palm of your hand.  No. It is "they" who need permission from "you" to do such things. Keep in mind that you are the reason Gaspard has the throne and why Celene can keep it, if the inquisition goes down, Orlais will most definitely go into chaos. It's just a matter of time...

 

Trust and believe, both Celene and Gaspard know that.