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[andy6915]

One thing that always made me laugh , but why do you get gain/Loss with companions when you Judge ? None of them is standing there for one . And only those concerned (alexius=dorian) should gain or lose approval.

They'll still hear of your decision "through the grapevine", your decisions aren't made in a vacuum. It always bugged me how party members in prior DA games had no opinion to approve or disapprove of something simply because they weren't actively with you at the time... Mostly. I do recall that Shale still calls you on your choice if you kept the anvil and didn't bring her, or Leliana if you tainted the ashes without her in the party and she still hears something about it and confronts you. But that was too little, that kind of thing should have been the case with every decision made. Realistically, they should still be aware of every choice you make, and an opinion based off of those choices. I like that DAI has everyone approving or disapproving even if they weren't directly witnessing it, it makes more sense that way.

[AlexiaRevan]

They'll still hear of your decision "through the grapevine", your decisions aren't made in a vacuum. It always bugged me how party members in prior DA games had no opinion to approve or disapprove of something simply because they weren't actively with you at the time... Mostly. I do recall that Shale still calls you on your choice if you kept the anvil and didn't bring her, or Leliana if you tainted the ashes without her in the party and she still hears something about it and confronts you. But that was too little, that kind of thing should have been the case with every decision made. Realistically, they should still be aware of every choice you make, and an opinion based off of those choices. I like that DAI has everyone approving or disapproving even if they weren't directly witnessing it, it makes more sense that way.

Yeah..but considering losing Approval doesnt mean crap.....

 

I would care if it did . But it doesn't ...

 

and that is annoying like hell . You lose approval...and in the end only gaining approval mean anything so you end up having to grind it so ya can hear someone back story.....ugh..

[Torgette]

Gameplay wise, I absolutely love it.

What I do question is if it makes any sense from the story's perspective.

Would you say this is no more than some obvious ego stroking, as well as a sadistic game like a cat playing with its food before eating?

Or is there a point to the Inquisitor holding a brief trial for their prisoners and passing judgment?

It's not like the nations of Thedas don't have their own legal system.

 

I suppose you... didn't expect it?

[renfrees]

I can understand capturing and judging those who directly wronged the Inquisition. But who gave it authority to scoop up and pass sentence onto Crestwood's mayor for something that happened 10 years ago? The mayor's crime was before Ferelden, not the Inquisition.

[Drasanil]

I can understand capturing and judging those who directly wronged the Inquisition. But who gave it authority to scoop up and pass sentence onto Crestwood's mayor for something that happened 10 years ago? The mayor's crime was before Ferelden, not the Inquisition.

 

Ferelden couldn't be arsed, so they let you handle it. I mean the Crestwood thing wouldn't have even gone to "Ferelden" rather that would have been an issue for the local Bann to sort out. Maybe they were hoping to curry favour by letting you deal with the annoying man who tried to mislead you. 

[LOLandStuff]

I can understand capturing and judging those who directly wronged the Inquisition. But who gave it authority to scoop up and pass sentence onto Crestwood's mayor for something that happened 10 years ago? The mayor's crime was before Ferelden, not the Inquisition.

 

I guess the "Don't go there. I'd hate to see you die." was reason enough for the Inquisition to scoop him up.

[renfrees]

I guess the "Don't go there. I'd hate to see you die." was reason enough for the Inquisition to scoop him up.

Yet there are options of exile (even though the Inquisition doesn't own any land), forced conscription (even though the Inquisition has no treaties with the Wardens) and execution. Those doesn't look like protecting the mayor from an angry mob.

[Korva]

Would you say this is no more than some obvious ego stroking, as well as a sadistic game like a cat playing with its food before eating?

 

Pretty much this, yes.

 

I don't like how random many of the cases feel. There's a lot of butting in on crimes committed outside our jurisdiction, with no explanation given and no consequences. Sure, we're pretty much in Ferelden's and Orlais' good books as the story progresses, and I can see the locals asking for our judgment because the proper authorities are absent or uncaring. It's not like I mind bringing justice where people couldn't otherwise expect it. But I do want there to be explanations and consequences. Plus, some cases just make no sense to me:

 

Knight-Captain Denam/Alexius? He was apparently stuffed in a portable hole for months on end, because that's the only way I can see him make it from the recruitment mission until Skyhold is refurbished. He should have been dealt with on the spot instead. With Alexius, there's even the added bonus of the proper local authority showing up at the right moment.

 

Erimond? There's no bloody way he's still alive for a trial -- hell, there's most likely not even a body left. First Clarel kicks the ever-loving crap out of him, then the lyrium dragon tramples all over the place, then the wall collapses and we fall into the Fade. The guy is nothing more than a finely-ground red paste floating through the Fade, and good riddance.

 

Florianne? Orlais' ruler is still in a tenuous position and could really do with a show of power to solidify their claim. Handing over the person who committed high treason is an admission of weakness they can't afford.

 

The only cases that really make sense to me are Blackwall and Ser Ruth. (Though with her there's still the question of which utter nitwit let a Grey Warden mage into my fortress, even as a prisoner. Probably the same nitwit that lets the other Wardens prance around the place. None of them should be allowed within ten miles of Skyhold or the Inquisitor until Corpyheus is safely and permanently dead.) She literally asks for it, and if we want to judge him we need to get him away from the local authorities first.

[Sah291]

Gameplay wise, I absolutely love it.
What I do question is if it makes any sense from the story's perspective.
Would you say this is no more than some obvious ego stroking, as well as a sadistic game like a cat playing with its food before eating?
Or is there a point to the Inquisitor holding a brief trial for their prisoners and passing judgment?
It's not like the nations of Thedas don't have their own legal system.

Yes, from a story perspective it makes a lot of sense, and in fact, I thought they should have done a little more with it to be honest. But I guess Cory was the immediate focus. So I suppose, the way it was handled, it does feel sort of like ego stroking and like an afterthought.

But, the Inquisition is supposed to be an independent third party/authority. Nations have their own legal systems they could be referred to, but that isn't necessarily always the best way to get justice. With Cory defeated, investigating and hearing international cases is something I would imagine an organization like the Inquisition to be doing a lot of.

This is also, I think, the subtext for why Flemeth/Mythal wanted control of it. If you drink from the well, Morrigan mentions it, and sounds as if this was part of her plan all along. Mythal was a protector figure and source of justice for the ancient elves. Skyhold probably once belonged to her.

[In Exile]

I can understand capturing and judging those who directly wronged the Inquisition. But who gave it authority to scoop up and pass sentence onto Crestwood's mayor for something that happened 10 years ago? The mayor's crime was before Ferelden, not the Inquisition.

But you can refuse jurisdiction on exactly that basis and send him to Ferelden.

As to who gave you the power, well, pointy metal rods, money and status gave you jurisdiction. That's how legitimacy worked. That and the fact that people - meaning those who would be subjected to our jurisdiction - generally welcome it because you improve their lives.

[asifziff]

Well I managed to gain an agent from it, so you can make use out of it aside from approval rating (which doesn't seem to impact that much really). There's a quest in the Western Approach where you have to kill some guy, you get an option to kill him or take him back to Skyhold and if you choose the latter then you can decide if you want to use him as a smuggler for the Inquisition.

 

If you end up imprisoning people do they actually show up in your Skyhold dungeon? Because I kind of want to just pick that option every time next playthrough and have everyone just sitting in there by the end of the game.

[BSpud]

If you end up imprisoning people do they actually show up in your Skyhold dungeon? Because I kind of want to just pick that option every time next playthrough and have everyone just sitting in there by the end of the game.

 

I've yet to do it, but the DA wiki says yes. There's even dialogue among the prisoners.

[Ashaantha]

If you end up imprisoning people do they actually show up in your Skyhold dungeon? Because I kind of want to just pick that option every time next playthrough and have everyone just sitting in there by the end of the game.

 

Yes they do, and the ones imprisoned chat to each other. I heard it in-game, some of it was funny.

[Carmen_Willow]

Yeah..but considering losing Approval doesnt mean crap.....

 

I would care if it did . But it doesn't ...

 

and that is annoying like hell . You lose approval...and in the end only gaining approval mean anything so you end up having to grind it so ya can hear someone back story.....ugh..

I dunno about it having no impact. The one game where I didn't chat up Cassandra, and we "didn't get along much," I got a very different ending dialogue from Morrigan with her as the Divine. I realize that all those things have to be reconciled before the next game, but still it was...disturbing to think that my Inquisition wasn't feared for its military power but was appreciated for its trading ventures.

[Ariella]

Personally, I love them, especially Ser Barris.

 

On Erimond though. Rather than cutting his head off I'd have loved to have the option of send HIM to the Deeproads. Or using Mark of the Rift.

 

Sure you can proceed your god into the Fade, but in pieces.

 

But I'm a vindictive little thing.

 

I have a feeling that the judgments are an expansion on what Bioware wanted to do with DAA. I like them as it does feel like you're doing more than just running around. Plus banter in Skyhold does change based on what you do.

[AlexiaRevan]

I dunno about it having no impact. The one game where I didn't chat up Cassandra, and we "didn't get along much," I got a very different ending dialogue from Morrigan with her as the Divine. I realize that all those things have to be reconciled before the next game, but still it was...disturbing to think that my Inquisition wasn't feared for its military power but was appreciated for its trading ventures.

I see...

 

But what i mean , is the game favor more you getting along with everyone then you getting everyone mad . 

 

Like , if you get say Cass all mad and you lose ALOT of approval . does it unlock a special quest? no....

 

You only get one if you are freindly and chummy with her . And that's what I mean , it wouldve been nice if both extreme mean something . 

 

If you lose dissaproval , I wouldve liked the reverse of being a friend . And get a quest that would be different then the one you get as a friend . 

 

Dragon Age never had alignement , but different quest depanding on approval +/-...couldve been nice . 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I've yet to do it, but the DA wiki says yes. There's even dialogue among the prisoners.

 

Wait, what? They talk to each other.

 

Huh, maybe I should cut off less heads.

[Jaison1986]

Wait, what? They talk to each other.

 

Huh, maybe I should cut off less heads.

 

I never saw it either, but mostly because I conscripted them to my cause and Erimond is an drooling vegetable.