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Hi,

 

SO halfway through the game I realised the custom world state hadn't imported, and Alistair was king, rather than the Warden and Anora.

 

I've now restarted and wanted to make sure, before I waste any more time, that the new game has the right world state.

So I read that you should speak to Threnn. However, she simply refers to Queen Anora giving her a second change. Does that mean the Warden isn't her husband? If he is would she say 'Anora and the Warden'?

 

THanks!

Chris



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Talking to Threnn and Harrit (the smith) should unlock the "A study of the Fifth Blight Vol. 1 & 2" codex entries. I always use those to see if my world state imported successfully.
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As far as I know NPCs never refer to Warden as one of Ferelden rulers. The only places it might be noted are Codex entries.

 

As Pokemario said, talking to Threnn and Harrit help with checking out your DA:O part. Talking to Leliana can also help. For Hawke, best is to talk to Varric. You can learn which side Hawke took (this you can also learn from Cullen, although difference in his dialogue is subtle), which sibling survived (or not), which companions were recruited and if Anders was spared (or not).

 

That's what I can tell from top of my head.

 

Or, you can go to Keep, check current pts, then copy the one you want to check into edited states. There you can check imported choices.

 

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I hope I make at least some sense...



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Thanks really useful. Hadn't realisd about codex part II from the Harrit. Turns out the warden is dead so will have to try a third time!



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As far as I know NPCs never refer to Warden as one of Ferelden rulers. The only places it might be noted are Codex entries.

 

As Pokemario said, talking to Threnn and Harrit help with checking out your DA:O part. Talking to Leliana can also help. For Hawke, best is to talk to Varric. You can learn which side Hawke took (this you can also learn from Cullen, although difference in his dialogue is subtle), which sibling survived (or not), which companions were recruited and if Anders was spared (or not).

 

That's what I can tell from top of my head.

 

Or, you can go to Keep, check current pts, then copy the one you want to check into edited states. There you can check imported choices.

 

....

 

I hope I make at least some sense...

Actually, Stroud does refer to my Warden as Alistair's queen when I ask about her. It's a somewhat atypical world state though because it's a state marriage: her LI is actually Zevran. I don't know if you get the same answer when they're in a romance.

That's obviously so far into the game as to be useless, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to correct the impression. You can also judge a little from Leliana's conversations sometimes, my most recent IQ has a romanced Leliana which makes it the easiest to double check. But there's also a point in the CC you can check. Go into the Keep and check for the time stamp on your current Worldstate. Then during the CC process, there's a point it'll ask you about importing a WS from the Keep, then it'll display a time stamp. It should match the one in the Keep. I haven't had one import wrong when I've checked that.


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But there's also a point in the CC you can check. Go into the Keep and check for the time stamp on your current Worldstate. Then during the CC process, there's a point it'll ask you about importing a WS from the Keep, then it'll display a time stamp. It should match the one in the Keep. I haven't had one import wrong when I've checked that.

Very much this.


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Actually, Stroud does refer to my Warden as Alistair's queen when I ask about her. It's a somewhat atypical world state though because it's a state marriage: her LI is actually Zevran. I don't know if you get the same answer when they're in a romance.

Thanks for correction. I only had world state where my Warden was married to Alistair, with him being her LI at the same time. I don't remember anyone calling her Queen, but my memory isn't perfect xD That's why I said 'as far as I know'.

At least my statement is true when we're talking about Threnn.


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Thanks for correction. I only had world state where my Warden was married to Alistair, with him being her LI at the same time. I don't remember anyone calling her Queen, but my memory isn't perfect xD That's why I said 'as far as I know'.

At least my statement is true when we're talking about Threnn.

Oh, I know, and it very well could be one of those comments that you only get with very specific choices, etc. I remembered it mostly because it was one of the few times someone mentioned a Warden specifically, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

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So know the Warden if married to Alistair is queen consort?
At least its balanced now with the Warden who married Anora being prince consort.

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So know the Warden if married to Alistair is queen consort?
At least its balanced now with the Warden who married Anora being prince consort.

 

if your warden in a mage this she will be Alistair's  consort, but if your a war/rogue then she becomes Alistair's queen. and yeah stroud/alistair does mention if but by that time in the game your so far having to restart every time (if your world state didn't load) from there would drive a person crazy.



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Thanks for correction. I only had world state where my Warden was married to Alistair, with him being her LI at the same time. I don't remember anyone calling her Queen, but my memory isn't perfect xD That's why I said 'as far as I know'.

At least my statement is true when we're talking about Threnn.

 

It's also mentioned under the Hero of Ferelden Codex from Redcliff.



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if your warden in a mage this she will be Alistair's consort, but if your a war/rogue then she becomes Alistair's queen. and yeah stroud/alistair does mention if but by that time in the game your so far having to restart every time (if your world state didn't load) from there would drive a person crazy.


He said Queen consort, so a warrior/rogue is his consort. i think a mage or non-human is his lover, she is not considered his consort.

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It's also mentioned under the Hero of Ferelden Codex from Redcliff.

I know that. I mentioned Codex entries in my first post. 

 

He said Queen consort, so a warrior/rogue is his consort. i think a mage or non-human is his lover, she is not considered his consort.

This. Only human noble Warden is reffered to as Queen/Prince consort (if you marry Alistair/Anora).



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He said Queen consort, so a warrior/rogue is his consort. i think a mage or non-human is his lover, she is not considered his consort.

 hmm, i might be wrong but when i was talking to Alistair he said he wanted to get everything sorted so he could go be with the warden, (Alistair and warden stay with wardens Anora queen) but when i made him king and (elf rogue) queen, {heres where i might be wrong} i thought someone was saying how the queen vanished one day, left all her stuff except weeps and armour and was gone. but maybe that was my brain filling in things between lines and it didn't happen i don't know.

but i do know that when working in the keep to build a story if you make a char mage fem when you romance Alistair and try make warden queen it says it must change warden to rogue or warrior. but ig your chnoos mage and make consort there is no problem.



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I know that. I mentioned Codex entries in my first post. 
 

This. Only human noble Warden is reffered to as Queen/Prince consort (if you marry Alistair/Anora).


Sorry. All I can claim is lack of attention due unexpected child crisis.

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It can be a little nervewracking.  Since the latest patch was the first time I got the unbugged reference from the Redcliffe storyteller.  I didn't know she was supposed to tell you that Al was now king, even though he has been for most of my games.  The NPC bugs that are tough to spot are probably going to keep showing up for a while, so thank you, folks for reminding me of a way to check before I get too far in.  I try to go to the Keep and check which state is active before I start, but mistakes happen.  It's good to know that now, as soon as I reach Haven, I can check to make sure it's what I want.


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 hmm, i might be wrong but when i was talking to Alistair he said he wanted to get everything sorted so he could go be with the warden, (Alistair and warden stay with wardens Anora queen) but when i made him king and (elf rogue) queen, {heres where i might be wrong} i thought someone was saying how the queen vanished one day, left all her stuff except weeps and armour and was gone. but maybe that was my brain filling in things between lines and it didn't happen i don't know.

but i do know that when working in the keep to build a story if you make a char mage fem when you romance Alistair and try make warden queen it says it must change warden to rogue or warrior. but ig your chnoos mage and make consort there is no problem.

Um, did you use a mod to make a non-human his queen? I didn't know there was a mod that overrode the block on anyone except a human noblewoman marrying him and becoming queen consort (which is just a fancy way of saying she married into the job rather than inheriting it through a bloodline?) Maybe it's a translation problem from English into another language (consort and mistress are very different things,) but I haven't heard anyone say they were able to go back and change "who now rules Ferelden" to "Alistair and the Warden rule" when the Warden was a mage or non-human. You can still make one the the love interest (i.e. mistress.) but you can't make her queen...



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if your warden in a mage this she will be Alistair's  consort, but if your a war/rogue then she becomes Alistair's queen. and yeah stroud/alistair does mention if but by that time in the game your so far having to restart every time (if your world state didn't load) from there would drive a person crazy.

The line I posted above about a queen consort was from a playthrough with a Cousland rogue queen, not a mage. Consort is not a mistress. Queen Victoria's husband, for instance, was prince consort, which meant he married her but she had the right by blood to rule (it's a little more complicated than that.) A mistress is not married to the king, and they've been fairly clear that only a Cousland warrior or rogue could marry him. In fact, in a couple of my playthroughs, I married him to Anora and became his mistress (perfectly honorable for a casteless dwarf, after all.)


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if your warden in a mage this she will be Alistair's  consort, but if your a war/rogue then she becomes Alistair's queen. and yeah stroud/alistair does mention if but by that time in the game your so far having to restart every time (if your world state didn't load) from there would drive a person crazy.

 

As Tishina elaborated, Queen consort is an official title. But it's treated a bit inconsistently. One ending slide refers to a Queen!Cousland as a "Princess consort," I believe, but that might be somehow temporary. You can still get away with referring to her as the Queen, but officially she's "Queen/Princess consort."


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I just got to Redcliffe on my current play through and didn't find Connor, even though he should be alive and unpossessed. I checked my codex on the fifth blight (for the first time, shame on me) and it only mentions Anora on the throne, when it should be Anora and Alistair together. Very frustrating. 



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I just got to Redcliffe on my current play through and didn't find Connor, even though he should be alive and unpossessed. I checked my codex on the fifth blight (for the first time, shame on me) and it only mentions Anora on the throne, when it should be Anora and Alistair together. Very frustrating. 

Ouch! I've had a couple of times that I spent over an hour in the CC and had someone I really liked, then remembered I hadn't changed from my last WS and had to try again. Fortunately, I've never gotten more than 4 or 5 hours in before I remembered.


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Ouch! I've had a couple of times that I spent over an hour in the CC and had someone I really liked, then remembered I hadn't changed from my last WS and had to try again. Fortunately, I've never gotten more than 4 or 5 hours in before I remembered.

 

That's happened to me, too. The CC itself is the bane of my play through experience. I always end up wishing I could tweak a thing or two later on. 

 

Thank the Maker for the Black Emporeum, I mean really. 


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Does anyone know the world state combination in which the HOF romancing Morrigan + Dark Ritual results in Morrigan in Inquisition mentioning that the HOF helped raise Kieran? I want my HOF to be apart of his sons life but I do not want him and Morrigan to be married. The one I have now is romanced Morrigan + Dark Ritual + kissed Morrigan but didn't follow her into the Eluvian. When I talk to Morrigan at Skyhold my HOF comes off like a dead beat dad.



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Does anyone know the world state combination in which the HOF romancing Morrigan + Dark Ritual results in Morrigan in Inquisition mentioning that the HOF helped raise Kieran? I want my HOF to be apart of his sons life but I do not want him and Morrigan to be married. The one I have now is romanced Morrigan + Dark Ritual + kissed Morrigan but didn't follow her into the Eluvian. When I talk to Morrigan at Skyhold my HOF comes off like a dead beat dad.


If you didn't follow her, she mention she raised Kieran alone.
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Does anyone know the world state combination in which the HOF romancing Morrigan + Dark Ritual results in Morrigan in Inquisition mentioning that the HOF helped raise Kieran? I want my HOF to be apart of his sons life but I do not want him and Morrigan to be married. The one I have now is romanced Morrigan + Dark Ritual + kissed Morrigan but didn't follow her into the Eluvian. When I talk to Morrigan at Skyhold my HOF comes off like a dead beat dad.

Technically, they're never legally married, just a couple. But the only way to help raise Kieran is go through the Eluvian with her. n my WS where my Dalish warden followed her, she makes it very clear that the three of them had used the Eluvians to go to another world for a time, so you literally couldn't find them otherwise.


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