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[txgoldrush]

Finishing The Witcher 3, in almost every possible way, TW3 completely annihilates DAI, so badly that I will probably shelve DAI for good and ignore the expansions (unless maybe if its about the Dread Wolf). Its seems to be that a smaller Polish studio who has only made in the past, two major games, has put out a game that outdoes what a corporate giant that owns a legendary RPG studio put out, Nevermind most of its catalog. Why? Because it feels like simply put, CD Projeckt RED put far more effort into TW3 than Bioware did with DAI. You can feel the limitations in DAI, in TW3 you really don't outside a few things. The world of TW3 feels like a living breathing world while DAI feels like lego-land. TW3's story completely outclasses DAI's weak plot, with CD Projeckt RED not afraid to spill budget into making great cutscenes and conversations, while Bioware rushed these moments with stilted acting.

 

Now here is where TW3 completely "ploughs" DAI.....side quest content. While Bioware made a bunch of MMO type fetch quests that have nothing to do with either the plot, or the character, CDP put huge effort into making great side content, with almost everything not only having a story, but optional quests that can even affect the plot. And I feel like I am playing a Witcher, which in DAI, never felt really like I was the Inquisitor.  Nevermind choices. Only a couple choices matter in DAI, while in TW3, it affects not only who wins the war between Redenia and Nilfgaard, but what happens to Geralt and Ciri.

 

Other smaller things are superior too. The Witcher 3 character cast is beyond excellent, a huge improvement over the Iorveth-Roche show that was TW2 (although Ves and Saskia were great). It handles mature themes far better than DAI. It handles romances far better than DAI. DAI's romances were mediocre at best, irritating at worst, while TW3's Triss and Yennifer romance storylines were not only well crafted, but poignant as well. Hell, throwing around drunk Triss at a ball during fireworks....wow. It was about more than just sex in the end, it was about Geralt's future. And then Ciri...wow. Jo Wyatt plays her far better than she ever did Hawke. Ciri steals the show every time she appears, and if CDP makes her the lead next game, than take my money. As for political and social themes, even commenting on discrimination of gays, is handled far better in TW3 than in DAI, which shoves it down your throat.

 

The ONLY thing DAI did better, was save import.

 

Bioware, especially the DA team, must learn from TW3. They were bested in almost every possible way by a studio that poured their humble hearts out to making the best game possible instead of trying to make a rebound game that only "checks the boxes".

[lynroy]

Blah blah TW3 is better than DA. I've heard it a thousand times.

[Ashaantha]

There's a thread for this in the feedback section. No need to create more.

[txgoldrush]

Which the topic is "be more like TW3".

 

Not really what I want Bioware to do, other than put far more effort into the game.

[Urzon]

It's times like these that I wonder if I accidently stumbled into TW forums instead of DA's. Especially since this doesn't really add anything to the conversation on how to better DAI, and the entire post can be boiled down to, "TW is so much better than DA at everything... other than save imports I guess".

Not really what I want Bioware to do, other than put far more effort into the game.

They did put a lot of effort into the game, just in the wrong directions. (Aka: Handicapping the entire thing for older generation consoles.)

[txgoldrush]

Read the post again...I listed several things where TW3 is better at.

[Shechinah]

Read the post again...I listed several things where TW3 is better at.

So this was intended as feedback then? If that was your intent, then your thread is in the wrong sub-forum. You can add what you think and participate in the discussion in the already-established and on-going thread; "Feedback... be more like Witcher 3 thread", please refrain from creating a duplicate again in the Feedback sub-forum since those are very much redundant.

[andy6915]

Read the post again...I listed several things where TW3 is better at.

We. Don't. Care.

[TheOgre]

My god.. There's a thread like this already in the feedback and suggestions. Please lock this thread. They just seem to be popping up everywhere now.

[Shechinah]

Which the topic is "be more like TW3".

 

Not really what I want Bioware to do, other than put far more effort into the game.

"Bioware, especially the DA team, must learn from TW3" - opening post. If you do not want them to be more like "Witcher 3" then you may want to re-consider your opening post's emphasis on Witcher 3 being better at everything but one thing and more on your theory that the difference was effort.

 

[TEWR]

From what I've heard, TW3 -- while being a great standalone title -- doesn't do the series enough justice to adequately tackle the events that TW2 built up. Now I haven't played 2 or 3 yet (alas, 2's damn patch always goes haywire every time I try to download it) but this is what I've heard from people who are very well vested in the Witcher series and are people I respect.

[TEWR]

"Bioware, especially the DA team, must learn from TW3" - opening post. If you do not want them to be more like "Witcher 3" then you may want to re-consider your opening post's emphasis on Witcher 3 being better at everything but one thing and more on your theory that the difference was effort.

 

To be fair, learning from a game is a lot different then saying Do everything this game did exactly the same.

 

It's about takeaway, more then anything else. 

[Zaalbar]

Well I for one enjoyed both games very much.

[txgoldrush]

"Bioware, especially the DA team, must learn from TW3" - opening post. If you do not want them to be more like "Witcher 3" then you may want to re-consider your opening post's emphasis on Witcher 3 being better at everything but one thing and more on your theory that the difference was effort.

You misread.

 

Learning from a game doesn't mean emulate them completely or copy them. You are twisting my words. Hell, DAI can learn from the Last of Us, doesn't mean it should be like The Last of Us.

 

 

From what I've heard, TW3 -- while being a great standalone title -- doesn't do the series enough justice to adequately tackle the events that TW2 built up. Now I haven't played 2 or 3 yet (alas, 2's damn patch always goes haywire every time I try to download it) but this is what I've heard from people who are very well vested in the Witcher series and are people I respect.

The events of TW2 should be a sideshow. The story of Ciri and the Wild Hunt are far more important in this tale and get more focus. The political plot line of TW2 was secondary anyway to Geralt regaining is memories and thus leading to TW3 storyline. These people who say this don't get it.

[wolfhowwl]

They did put a lot of effort into the game, just in the wrong directions. (Aka: Handicapping the entire thing for older generation consoles.)

Sure. Spending money on five hours of party banter while leaving your side content dangerously starved doesn't seem like a wise choice.

[txgoldrush]

I made the topic here and not feedback....so spoilers can be discussed here. that's why.

[Merela]

The events of TW2 should be a sideshow. The story of Ciri and the Wild Hunt are far more important in this tale and get more focus. The political plot line of TW2 was secondary anyway to Geralt regaining is memories and thus leading to TW3 storyline. These people who say this don't get it.

 

So the best part of TW2 was secondary? Now that's a bummer.

[Eterna]

Geralt is a terrible character I can't stand playing. The Witcher will never beat Dragon Age for me because of this. 

[KotorEffect3]

I can't wait until the day that CDPR manages to screw up somehow and Witcher fanboys have to eat some humble pie.

[Dr. rotinaj]

It's funny, I'm on these forums everyday and I see these threads popping up nonstop. I know I should be irritated by it, but honestly I'm just not. I cut Bioware some slack for their subpar side quest design because DAI had an open world focus. I thought "it's their first effort to bring bigger locations to the DA series, they had to sacrifice some depth in the side quest department." Then I played Witcher 3. Witcher 3 brought open world to the series but completely annihilated DAI in side quest content. There is such a huge difference in quality and that absolutely needs to be discussed. In the appropriate forum and appropriate thread of course.

 

I prefer DA over the Witcher series. I like the characters, settings, stories of DA much more than those of the Witcher. But W3 just shamed DAI's quest design.

[txgoldrush]

So the best part of TW2 was secondary? Now that's a bummer.

But the best part of the books was Geralt's relationship with Yen and Ciri...and this is what fans wanted.

[Dieb]

I hate you! The Witcher 3 lets me have as many friends over as I like!

 

...but seriously, I wish BioWare started making future ME & DA installments like CDPR with The Witcher. Can you imagine every game not being a big mutual checklist inspection? Pour all the resources into making every town merchant's headache mean the world to you and be a moral grey area for the sake of it, cut companions & social dynamics and, pretty much, actual combat systems?

 

This place would be a riot.

[txgoldrush]

It's funny, I'm on these forums everyday and I see these threads popping up nonstop. I know I should be irritated by it, but honestly I'm just not. I cut Bioware some slack for their subpar side quest design because DAI had an open world focus. I thought "it's their first effort to bring bigger locations to the DA series, they had to sacrifice some depth in the side quest department." Then I played Witcher 3. Witcher 3 brought open world to the series but completely annihilated DAI in side quest content. There is such a huge difference in quality and that absolutely needs to be discussed. In the appropriate forum and appropriate thread of course.

 

I prefer DA over the Witcher series. I like the characters, settings, stories of DA much more than those of the Witcher. But W3 just shamed DAI's quest design.

Its not just the side stuff however.

 

The main quest stuff shames DAI's meager main questline as well. While Bioware took from the main quest to focus on side stuff, CDPR never made that compromise. In fact some of the side stuff even factors in the main quest.

[badkenbad]

I don't like The Witcher 3, and I feel like it was a waste of my money. I'm glad I bought it at GMG with a huge discount. I don't like the voice acting, I don't like the twitchy gameplay, and I don't like the characters. I don't know if I like the story or not, because I didn't get to see enough of it to judge.

 

I love everything about DAI.

 

So, to me, Bioware must be doing something right.

[Merela]

But the best part of the books was Geralt's relationship with Yen and Ciri...and this is what fans wanted.

 

"Some fans", you mean, because I know I didn't. I was perfectly fine with never seeing Ciri again after the ends of the book (when she was first announced for TW3 I was like "Wait what?"), and while I was excited about meeting Yen again, having Geralt railroaded back so hard in his old relationship with her was not amusing to me, especially after two games of relationship with Triss Merigold. And while the game insist so much on the loooooove between Geralt and Yen (song and unicorn included), they have assassinated Radovid's character and Roche was that close to high-five me even though I told him he could plug Temeria up his behind the last time we saw each other.

 

And then I couldn't keep playing because of a corruption of my saves, which is a shame for any company of video games. So no, I do not consider that TW3 completly annihilates DA:I. Because the latter I was allowed to finish on my first run.