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[txgoldrush]

"Some fans", you mean, because I know I didn't. I was perfectly fine with never seeing Ciri again after the ends of the book (when she was first announced for TW3 I was like "Wait what?"), and while I was excited about meeting Yen again, having Geralt railroaded back so hard in his old relationship with her was not amusing to me, especially after two games of relationship with Triss Merigold. And while the game insist so much on the loooooove between Geralt and Yen (song and unicorn included), they have assassinated Radovid's character and Roche was that close to high-five me even though I told him he could plug Temeria up his behind the last time we saw each other.

 

And then I couldn't keep playing because of a corruption of my saves, which is a shame for any company of video games. So no, I do not consider that TW3 completly annihilates DA:I. Because the latter I was allowed to finish on my first run.

You were simply put, not paying attention to the games.

 

Ciri and Yen were FORESHADOWED to be important later in TW2. Not only that, Ciri is necessary to finish the Wild Hunt storyline. The Witcher 2 was about this. 

 

And you can choose Triss over Yen and break with Yen, in fact THERE IS A WHOLE QUESTLINE ABOUT BREAKING UP WITH YENNIFER!!!!!! You are not railroaded, you can choose.

 

Radovid's character wasn't assassinated (except literally). Did you not play The Witcher 2 and see what he does?

[Urzon]

And you can choose Triss over Yen and break with Yen, in fact THERE IS A WHOLE QUESTLINE ABOUT BREAKING UP WITH YENNIFER!!!!!! You are not railroaded, you can choose.

Oh fantasy genre, you make me laugh so hard sometimes. Because it is only here where you can make something like breaking up with your significant other and turn it into a questline. Was the name of the quest, "We need to talk..."? 

[txgoldrush]

Oh fantasy genre, you make me laugh so hard sometimes. Because it is only here where you can make something like breaking up with your significant other and turn it into a questline. Was the name of the quest, "We need to talk..."? 

No, its "The Last Wish"....which actually ties in with the books.

 

Yennifer wants to undo a wish that Geralt made that bonded them together.

[daveliam]

I'm sure it's a good game. I'm not interested in it in the least and I hope that DA stays DA and never tries to become more like TW3. There's room in market for both, despite fanboys trying to put them against each other.

[txgoldrush]

I'm sure it's a good game. I'm not interested in it in the least and I hope that DA stays DA and never tries to become more like TW3. There's room in market for both, despite fanboys trying to put them against each other.

I am sick of this argument. the games do need to be pitted together. There needs to be competition.

 

I have backed Bioware for most of what they do and including the ME3 ending, however, Bioware simply put, got owned, plain and simple with the Witcher 3. and Bioware would be a better company to learn from this. The critics are saying this and probably the sales numbers will too.

 

Not only Bioware, but Bethesda got owned as well.

 

I am not saying that DA needs to be more like TW3 but to learn from what TW3 did right where DAI did wrong. And I am talking about side content and storytelling. Only a drone will think that DA doesn;t need to improve.

[King Killoth]

I do not think it is fair to compare WT3 to DAI as they are not even close to being the same game.. might as well come pare it to skyrim or any other fantasy game. DAI has its flaws yest but it always has its great points and I greatly enjoyed my time playing it yes the side quests got very boring and repetitive but I really enjoyed my companions and the story of DAI. the world of dragon age feels like the world of dragon age.. It should not feel like another game just because you like one more then the other. if you do not enjoy DAI thats on you and more power to you but do not think that the loyal fanbase that actually loves this franchise is going to just throw away that love for another game. do not get me wrong I love the witcher games and I am playing WT3 right now but I do not want it to become mroe like DAI or vice versa each has its own story and its own world that I enjoy as its separate game.

[daveliam]

I am sick of this argument. the games do need to be pitted together. There needs to be competition.

I have backed Bioware for most of what they do and including the ME3 ending, however, Bioware simply put, got owned, plain and simple with the Witcher 3. and Bioware would be a better company to learn from this. The critics are saying this and probably the sales numbers will too.

Not only Bioware, but Bethesda got owned as well.

I am not saying that DA needs to be more like TW3 but to learn from what TW3 did right where DAI did wrong. And I am talking about side content and storytelling. Only a drone will think that DA doesn;t need to improve.

There are already multiple threads about this then. The 'be more like TW3 thread' in Feedback and the 'TW3 discussion thread' in the Lobby (which allows spoilers).

I'm glad you like both games but neither needs to 'be more like the other'. That's not how it works. They release at different times and people will pick up both. Can they influence each other? Sure. But it's not necessary for either one. DA pulls in fans that aren't interested in RPing as Geralt (one of the least interesting PCs in recent RPGs in my opinion).

[Toasted Llama]

I am sick of this argument. the games do need to be pitted together. There needs to be competition.

 

I have backed Bioware for most of what they do and including the ME3 ending, however, Bioware simply put, got owned, plain and simple with the Witcher 3. and Bioware would be a better company to learn from this. The critics are saying this and probably the sales numbers will too.

 

Not only Bioware, but Bethesda got owned as well.

 

I am not saying that DA needs to be more like TW3 but to learn from what TW3 did right where DAI did wrong. And I am talking about side content and storytelling. Only a drone will think that DA doesn;t need to improve.

Demanding that DA and TW be competing against each other/pitted together is about roughly the same as demanding that apples competes with oranges.
I, and quite a few other people, quite like DA:I in it's current form. I don't think they should change.

If you don't like DA, but do like TW, that means something very simple and very basic:

The Witcher is your type of game, Dragon Age is not. The end.

Vote with your wallet if you want change, but if enough people like the way DA is in it's current state, it's not going to change just because you like TW more.

[txgoldrush]

I do not think it is fair to compare WT3 to DAI as they are not even close to being the same game.. might as well come pare it to skyrim or any other fantasy game. DAI has its flaws yest but it always has its great points and I greatly enjoyed my time playing it yes the side quests got very boring and repetitive but I really enjoyed my companions and the story of DAI. the world of dragon age feels like the world of dragon age.. It should not feel like another game just because you like one more then the other. if you do not enjoy DAI thats on you and more power to you but do not think that the loyal fanbase that actually loves this franchise is going to just throw away that love for another game. do not get me wrong I love the witcher games and I am playing WT3 right now but I do not want it to become mroe like DAI or vice versa each has its own story and its own world that I enjoy as its separate game.

No it is fair. Completely fair.

 

And once again, read what I am writing. I am not saying that DA should be a one person RPG about a monster slayer. I am wanting a better game with better side quests, better exploration, better characters, and better storytelling. Both games do have stroytelling, a cast, exploration, and side quests, this you CAN compare, and simply put TW3 does it better.

 

TW3's plot is vastly superior to DAI's, which is basically a bare bones plot that seems to be compromised by the side content.

 

TW3 has a better exploration and better side quests, while Bioware still resorts to traditional fetch quests and kill quests. And mounts...wow.

 

And TW3 cast is excellent and believably human. even quest givers have good story to them.

[txgoldrush]

Demanding that DA and TW be competing against each other/pitted together is about roughly the same as demanding that apples competes with oranges.
I, and quite a few other people, quite like DA:I in it's current form. I don't think they should change.

If you don't like DA, but do like TW, that means something very simple and very basic:

The Witcher is your type of game, Dragon Age is not. The end.

Vote with your wallet if you want change, but if enough people like the way DA is in it's current state, it's not going to change just because you like TW more.

The apple and oranges saying is really stupid.

 

Yes you can compare apples to oranges. Compare a fresh apple to a rotten orange and see what I mean.

 

Did you even read what I said in my OP..........that I felt like I was playing the role I was given in CDP's game, that of a witcher, better than in Biowares game, which had me play an inquisitor. So here the witcher was a better witcher than the inquisitor being the inquisitor.

 

In fact, I prefer party member games better than solo character RPGs for the record. But a better game is a better game. One can be better at what it is than another being what it is.

[CathyMe]

Ugh...not again. I get it, there are people who like TW3, can we move on?

[Urzon]

I am sick of this argument. the games do need to be pitted together. There needs to be competition.

The thing is that we don't need to compare the two to know where DAI's faults lie. People already knew that DAI's sidequests were subpar MMO fetches, and their main storyline was kinda short and lackluster long before TW3 came out. People have been chiming in on these facts and other faults in the game since Day 1 on its release.

Healthy competition in the field might drive progress, but constantly pitting franchises against each other on a personal level kills a franchise uniqueness over time. Developers try and match what their fans might enjoy, and what might make them the most $$$, so if they keep hearing how "So and So" did this so much better, they are going to change their content to match.

So you may keep saying that you don't want Bioware to change their game, just "put more effort into it", but your constant praise for another game and it's elements do change Bioware's opinion on what their game should become in the future. We saw this first hand when people gushed over Skyrim's open world. We got a bunch of empty zones with fetch quest to try and fill them out.

[King Killoth]

No it is fair. Completely fair.

 

And once again, read what I am writing. I am not saying that DA should be a one person RPG about a monster slayer. I am wanting a better game with better side quests, better exploration, better characters, and better storytelling. Both games do have stroytelling, a cast, exploration, and side quests, this you CAN compare, and simply put TW3 does it better.

 

TW3's plot is vastly superior to DAI's, which is basically a bare bones plot that seems to be compromised by the side content.

 

TW3 has a better exploration and better side quests, while Bioware still resorts to traditional fetch quests and kill quests. And mounts...wow.

 

And TW3 cast is excellent and believably human. even quest givers have good story to them.

I did read what you posted and perhaps you should have read more than one line from my post as I explain that yes DAI has its flaws and yes the side quests did get repetitive that dose not break the game for me. TW3 tells a story that already existed long before it was a game a lot of the content comes from the books the games are based on this gives it a clear direction where as the Dragon age games are an original creation of Bioware and being that they make it up as they go. you can not hold the two games to the same level especially when they are not from the same company and they came out several months apart from each other and have nothing to do with each other. the issues you have are not fair to compare as they can not be compared as these games are made by two entirely separate companies that have no way of knowing what the other is making so they can not retroactively make a game fit another that has yet to be made much less come out. now will the success of the witcher 3 have an influence on the next Dragon age game maybe but I think the Dev teams take a lot of feedback from the fans and use that more then relying on what other games do. what you are arguing is not fair as it is impossible for Bioware to rip off game elements from a rival company as that would only cheapen the game. Dragon age will always be Dragon age and never the witcher

[Torgette]

My god.. There's a thread like this already in the feedback and suggestions. Please lock this thread. They just seem to be popping up everywhere now.

 

There's one of these over in the Mass Effect forums as well, it's kind of dumb.

[Toasted Llama]

The apple and oranges saying is really stupid.

 

Yes you can compare apples to oranges. Compare a fresh apple to a rotten orange and see what I mean.

 

Did you even read what I said in my OP..........that I felt like I was playing the role I was given in CDP's game, that of a witcher, better than in Biowares game, which had me play an inquisitor. So here the witcher was a better witcher than the inquisitor being the inquisitor.

 

In fact, I prefer party member games better than solo character RPGs for the record. But a better game is a better game. One can be better at what it is than another being what it is.

Just because you think the saying is stupid doesn't devalue it.

Comparing a fresh apple to a rotten orange requires you to add a second value: rotten or fresh. You're comparing this value, not the apple and the orange themselves.

 

Yes I did read your OP. But just because you felt playing your role better in the CDP's game than in Bioware's game, doesn't immediately mean CDP did a better job than Bioware. It might just mean DA:I is not your cup of tea or, shocker, you just didn't like being the Inquisitor.

[KotorEffect3]

There's one of these over in the Mass Effect forums as well, it's kind of dumb.

I'd better get over there.  These witcher fanboys don't know what they are messing with when they are messing with my Mass Effect.  Going after DA is one thing but ME is in a league all of it's own.  Or does Habinger need to descend upon Novigrad?  Direct Intervention is Necessary.

 

 

Edit: Heh looks like I already been over there.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 01 juin 2015 - 11:21 .

[The Elder King]

I'd better get over there.  These witcher fanboys don't know what they are messing with when they are messing with my Mass Effect.  Going after DA is one thing but ME is in a league all of it's own.  Or does Habinger need to descend upon Novigrad?  Direct Intervention is Necessary.
 
 
Edit: Heh looks like I already been over there.

Where is the thread? Scuttlebutt?

I don't understand this hostility in hour post, Though I don't know what was written about ME-TW.

[Madmoe77]

Demanding that DA and TW be competing against each other/pitted together is about roughly the same as demanding that apples competes with oranges.
I, and quite a few other people, quite like DA:I in it's current form. I don't think they should change.

If you don't like DA, but do like TW, that means something very simple and very basic:

The Witcher is your type of game, Dragon Age is not. The end.

Vote with your wallet if you want change, but if enough people like the way DA is in it's current state, it's not going to change just because you like TW more.

 

Except that you will never find a company representing only oranges over apples or vice versa. So that point is genuinely worthless. The comparison is completely off the mark. People overuse it and just expect other's to relent to it like oranges and apples exist in separate worlds with a wall between their existing in the same space. Does that sound familiar? 

 

Businesses need competition to drive product integrity, innovation and have a reason to continue to provide content, material or motivation to produce a product years beyond their desire to compete. Why? Because people love money and success becomes a tradition. Yes, some of these threads become excessive but generally only because people flee from the comparison because confronted with issues is not what most people enjoy. 

 

"So...why did you choose those pants?" Awkward silence. 

 

These threads exist on these forums and are not deleted without serious merit because Bioware/EA need this information. Even if they only mine the threads for repeating words and don't bother to read them, the Witcher is consistently enough of a buzzword on the forum to take note. As it should be. Taco Bell vs McDonald's is a better example of choice. You don't have to have genuine similarity to offer some satiation. This is where the delivery, accessibility and value comes into decision making. Sometimes it is just a flavor, apples to oranges as you said-but that is such a dramatically weak generalization that it is only a dismissive tactic to avoid nuance, quality and quantitative retort and exchange. 

[Medhia_Nox]

TW3 will never be better for me because Geralt is a pre-set character.  

[JoeTheQuarian]

If only I could go on the *Bioware* forums for one day and not see a thread about the witcher.

[raging_monkey]

If only I could go on the *Bioware* forums for one day and not see a thread about the witcher.

wonder if the witcher forums has a abundance of DA topics. I like both series but I'm not going to compare them they two different series da: Crpg and TW: action RPG

[Toasted Llama]

Except that you will never find a company representing only oranges over apples or vice versa. So that point is genuinely worthless. The comparison is completely off the mark. People overuse it and just expect other's to relent to it like oranges and apples exist in separate worlds with a wall between their existing in the same space. Does that sound familiar? 

 

Businesses need competition to drive product integrity, innovation and have a reason to continue to provide content, material or motivation to produce a product years beyond their desire to compete. Why? Because people love money and success becomes a tradition. Yes, some of these threads become excessive but generally only because people flee from the comparison because confronted with issues is not what most people enjoy. 

 

"So...why did you choose those pants?" Awkward silence. 

 

These threads exist on these forums and are not deleted without serious merit because Bioware/EA need this information. Even if they only mine the threads for repeating words and don't bother to read them, the Witcher is consistently enough of a buzzword on the forum to take note. As it should be. Taco Bell vs McDonald's is a better example of choice. You don't have to have genuine similarity to offer some satiation. This is where the delivery, accessibility and value comes into decision making. Sometimes it is just a flavor, apples to oranges as you said-but that is such a dramatically weak generalization that it is only a dismissive tactic to avoid nuance, quality and quantitative retort and exchange. 

Yet Bioware already participated in the competition. DA:I's course of development was largely influenced by the success of another RPG game, Skyrim. Because Skyrim sold immensely well and Dragon Age 2 was a flop. Many complaints were the small (and re-used) areas. It would be logical to try and use Skyrim's formula, because clearly, they did something right and Dragon Age 2 did something wrong.

But the result?

People are complaining that DA:I feels too empty, too much pointless quests/fetch quests/too much open world. They complain the story is lackluster, too short. This isn't surprising, as people want DA:I to be Dragon Age, to be a spiritual successor to Dragon Age Origins. Not The Inquisition Scrolls: Skyrim Age. Not Witcher Age: Wild Inquisition.

The same **** is going to happen when people constantly nag about how the Witcher is oh so much better than DA:I. Because frankly; apples and oranges is a valid argument, as RPGs are often vastly different and put emphasis on different aspects, providing more specialized content for a more specific audience. It would be much better for Bioware to look at what DA:O did right and where DA:I went wrong.

Besides, if developers only cared about money, they'd be pushing out the same games with a different paint coat every year (CoD, Assassin's Creed, Fifa, Madden) or riddle their games with microtransactions and paywalls. (Every F2P MMO and mobile game ever)

[The Elder King]

If only I could go on the *Bioware* forums for one day and not see a thread about the witcher.

Based on my experience in the forum, there Are far more days Where there aren't new TW threads then the opposite .

[Akrabra]

I'll admit that after completing The Witcher 3 i found it to be a superior game to DA:I. Then i started playing it again and really think about what they did with the story in the game, and i came to the conclusion that it is actually pretty lackluster for an end to a trilogy. Yes it is a great stand-alone game, but it didn't do the series justice. I think CDRP handled the game wrong, and they neglected their fans abit, atleast fans of the game series, not the books.

 

Then again if you have some feedback as to how stuff in The Witcher series could be applied to improving Dragon Age, there is another thread under feedback already. 

[Iakus]

Sorry, not especially interested in playing a predefined foulmouthed character in a Crapsack World who sleeps with anything that is female and will hold still.