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[Dreadstruck]

Threads like this are useless.
 
First off because there is already two of them in the feedback forum and a huge in the Lobby. One of them providing actual feedback.
 
Second, because grossly uninformed people who have never played the game will only spout the same thing (either about Geralt or sex.) and will not be interested in finding out more about the game anyway. You could repeat thousand times that there's more to Witcher than "sex cards and grimdark!" just as there is more to Dragon Age than "gay romances!", but alas.
 
I mean, I love TW3. And yes, I found it superior to DA:I in some departments (sadly for DA:I, in the most crucial ones like game world, the reactivity and quests. Those quests, like ten million times), and I'd love if Bio would look into some of its positive aspects (because a real fan is not afraid of suggesting improvement instead of being a yes-man) but the potential for good, feedback-filled discussion is completely wasted on threads such as this.

Nothing is gonna come out of it and it's just gonna attract more vitriol from annoyed people seeing the same thread for the fifth time - not exactly a good example for our case.
 
I'd suggest if moderator could possibly merge the discussion with the existing thread, where people have been discussing in relatively informative and polite manner.

[Alex Hawke]

I'm sure it's a good game. I'm not interested in it in the least and I hope that DA stays DA and never tries to become more like TW3. There's room in market for both, despite fanboys trying to put them against each other.

+1.

 

DA:I is a party-RPG, a video game from the beginning, while TW3 is an action RPG struggling with its book roots. They're too different to be compared.

Try TW3 vs TESV:Skyrim.

[AWTEW]

Does witcher 3 have a stronger story? Yes.

Does it have better gameplay? Yes

Does it have a protagonist who doesn't have the personality of a dish towl? Yes

Is it better quality? Yes

Is it better value for money? Yes.

 

Can you play as a female protagonist?

FU** NO!!

 

Therefore, imo DAI is the better game.

[Dreadstruck]

Can you play as a female protagonist?
FU** NO!!
 
Therefore, imo DAI is the better game.

 
Your post confuses me. You listed all the strong points of Witcher but then got the last part blatantly wrong. Have you played the game?
 

[AWTEW]

 
Your post confuses me. You listed all the strong points of Witcher but then got the last part blatantly wrong.
 

 

 

But my last point still stands, you can't play as a female protagonist. Yes, u can play as Ciri for a few flashback levels, but that's all. I would have bought the witcher If I could play as Ciri for the entire game.

[God]

I disagree entirely with the post of the OP (reported the topic as spam and being in the wrong section, as well as the OP himself for various reasons), but...

 

 

Is it inclusive, and not shoving straight-white-male-superiority down others throats???

Can you play as a female protagonist?

FU** NO!!

 

Therefore, imo DAI is the better game.

 

 

Oh god...

 

Why? If that's the basis for how you judge a game, or for how you judge life, you've got a lot of issues, and you're never going to be satisfied.

 

It's a story. Who. Bloody. Cares? It's set in a comparable time period to when women were either nuns, whores, or housewives. Be happy that women can even do what men can do in these games.

 

It's not about equality or fairness. It's never been about equality or fairness. It never will be about equality or fairness. And it certainly won't be in this world. It's a biological fact. 3 million years of evolution in hominids are against you there.

 

(warning: facetious statement) It sucks that everyone who's not a straight white guy like me gets a crap deal. Quit getting upset about life and live it.

[Dreadstruck]

But my last point still stands, you can't play as a female protagonist. Yes, u can play as Ciri for a few flashback levels, but that's all. I would have bought the witcher If I could play as Ciri for the entire game.

 

Well, your original post did not specifiy that. Just that there's no female player character which I rebutted.

And you actually play her for quite a lot of segments in between the game, even getting a chance to define her sexuality and such, but I can understand if some people want to play only a certain gender (never had that problem myself imho).

[AWTEW]

Well, your original post did not specifiy that. Just that there's no female player character which I rebutted.

And you actually play her for quite a lot of segments in between the game, even getting a chance to define her sexuality and such, but I can understand if some people want to play only a certain gender (never had that problem myself imho).

 

I spent th majority of my gaming life playing males in these types of games.  SO the roguish hero male bores me so much. Now had it been more balanced for the past 3 or more decades, then I might be open to playing a guy more.

[Toasted Llama]

Oh god...

 

Why? If that's the basis for how you judge a game, or for how you judge life, you've got a lot of issues, and you're never going to be satisfied.

 

It's a story. Who. Bloody. Cares? It's set in a comparable time period to when women were either nuns, whores, or housewives. Be happy that women can even do what men can do in these games.

 

It's not about equality or fairness. It's never been about equality or fairness. It never will be about equality or fairness. And it certainly won't be in this world. It's a biological fact. 3 million years of evolution in hominids are against you there.

 

(warning: facetious statement) It sucks that everyone who's not a straight white guy like me gets a crap deal. Quit getting upset about life and live it.

To this day I still love that people take dragons, elves and dwarves for granted in fantasy settings but gender equality and equal representation of sexual orientations is too much.


Scratch my entire comment if your comment is a parody/satire, because Poe's Law still exists.

[Torgette]

Another witcher thread turns into a shitfest. Please keep this stuff in feedback or the dedicated witcher thread in the off-topic forum. Is it really hard? No, it's really easy.

[robertthebard]

I am sick of this argument. the games do need to be pitted together. There needs to be competition.
 
I have backed Bioware for most of what they do and including the ME3 ending, however, Bioware simply put, got owned, plain and simple with the Witcher 3. and Bioware would be a better company to learn from this. The critics are saying this and probably the sales numbers will too.
 
Not only Bioware, but Bethesda got owned as well.
 
I am not saying that DA needs to be more like TW3 but to learn from what TW3 did right where DAI did wrong. And I am talking about side content and storytelling. Only a drone will think that DA doesn;t need to improve.

...and yet, when people suggest things where they felt TW3 could improve, you claim "you just don't get it". To use your own phrase, only a drone believes they can't improve. Based entirely on that, did CDPR pay you to come here and post, and then fight tooth and nail to defend TW3? I haven't played it yet, I plan to, but it's not on my immediate purchase radar. I was unable to finish either of the first two titles, and so, I'm not as excited as you seem to be about it.

Why couldn't I finish them? Because I found Geralt to be lacking. There were no real choices, because no matter what, I had to follow a predetermined path. How do I figure that? Because it's based on a series of books that has a set outcome for the protagonist. I came away from TW feeling like I'd been playing Assassin's Creed, a game it more closely resembles, than a Dragon Age title, and if I'm going to compare TW to another game, that would be my immediate choice.

While there are indeed a number of "fetch quests", this "MMO fetch quest" argument is falling flat, and is, again use your phrase, made by people that don't get it. First of all, MMOs didn't invent any type of quest. They were all taken from sources from table top to cRPGs. I'm sorry if one's first contact with computer gaming was MMOs and they sincerely believe that they are the origin of fetch quests, but those people are misinformed. Then there's the quests themselves, that "don't tie into the story". Again, people just don't get it. The star of the show isn't the Warden, or Hawke, or the Inquisitor. These are the vehicles through which we get our views of the actual star of the show, THE Dragon Age Setting. I've seen people complain, for example, about the Hissing Wastes, and yet, it's rich with lore about the History of Thedas, the actual star of the show.

I'm not sure how people can not understand this, since it has been stated time and time again, but they don't. The only thing that I see as a consistent thing in TW is Geralt, which is, I believe, why people always clamor for DA to be like TW, a set protagonist. Tomorrow's Tuesday, we'll see if there's another "The Warden should be the star of the next game" thread.

Side note: I came down hard on the skill bar limitations and the keyboard controls. I'm far from a fanboy, but I'm also aware of what the story I'm getting is all about, and I use that knowledge when I assess how the game's doing. It's not TW3, and it was never supposed to be. I don't see these threads as being any different than the Blizzard fanboys being on every MMO forum with "You have to be more like WoW".

[The Big Red One]

To this day I still love that people take dragons, elves and dwarves for granted in fantasy settings but gender equality and equal representation of sexual orientations is too much.


Scratch my entire comment if your comment is a parody/satire, because Poe's Law still exists.

 

In case of TW3? because t's a feudal society. Women are mostly not going to be calling the shots in a world run by warlords. If anything, it's unrealistic in the other direction (or realistic given sorcery, maybe). Do they mean the game is misogynist, for portraying an unequal culture? By that logic, Bioshock promotes child abuse and Civ 5 promotes nuclear war. And the Witcher itself is also misandrist because Geralt slaughters 10,000 male bandits. it's a work of fiction. It doesn't need to have a political agenda, shoehorning modern society values and crapping all over its world which was established almost 20 years ago, just to appease to social justice mantras from our real life.

 

besides, other genders in places of power and different sexualities are in the end also present in TW3. shows how much most of these "backseat critics" actually know about a game they have never even touched.

[daveliam]

Why couldn't I finish them? Because I found Geralt to be lacking. There were no real choices, because no matter what, I had to follow a predetermined path. How do I figure that? Because it's based on a series of books that has a set outcome for the protagonist. I came away from TW feeling like I'd been playing Assassin's Creed, a game it more closely resembles, than a Dragon Age title, and if I'm going to compare TW to another game, that would be my immediate choice.

 

This is really what it comes down to for me.  I'm just bored to tears with characters like Geralt.  Yes, I know that he's a unique special snowflake in the vast blizzard of grizzly, gruff, straight white male antiheroes.  But he's just not interesting enough for me.  I heard so many good things about TW2 and had to force myself to play for the 4-5 hours that I could stand before finally switching it off and never coming back to it.  I can understand why people either like Geralt or are indifferent to him.  But it's just a deal breaker for me at this point.  I'm not interested in set protagonists, especially the gruff antihero type.

 

To put it in perspective:  I, as a huge RPG fan for almost 30 years (playing RPG video games), am choosing to replay KOTOR2 right now as I wait for TES Online to come out for the XBONE.  I'd rather play that (a two-gen old game with missing content) than play as Geralt.  I've said it before, if they made a game in TW setting where you could create your own PC, I'd love it.  Until then, I'll pass. 

[LightningPoodle]

I "agree" with the OP in the fact that I think The Witcher is just a better game than Inquisition, but really, the games are far f*cking different from one another that a reasonable comparison cannot be made. One game does one thing. The other does something different. Neither are wrong in doing this.

 

Stop making these f*cking threads for f*ck sake. This is a BioWare forum, not a CD Projekt forum. Sure, if you can actually provide some examples at how BioWare could do something "better" or, well, let's say different, then provide them, but otherwise you are just spouting sh*t trying to get attention.

[The Elder King]

To this day I still love that people take dragons, elves and dwarves for granted in fantasy settings but gender equality and equal representation of sexual orientations is too much.Scratch my entire comment if your comment is a parody/satire, because Poe's Law still exists.

Where did God say gender Equality and equal Representation of sexual orientations Are too much?
Beside the fact that the world of TW was already created by a writer, so they couldn't overhaul it, Thedas itself isn't the paradise of gender equality etc. While the games allow us to play a character of the gender and (most) sexual orientations we prefer, the world itself is full of racism and discrimination. Beside the Qun, women in Antiva have different roles then men, and in both Orlais or Tevinter there Are often problems with having ****** sexual relationship, At least in public for the nobles.

[AlexiaRevan]

Does witcher 3 have a stronger story? Yes.

Does it have better gameplay? Yes

Does it have a protagonist who doesn't have the personality of a dish towl? Yes

Is it better quality? Yes

Is it better value for money? Yes.

 

Can you play as a female protagonist?

FU** NO!!

 

Therefore, imo DAI is the better game.

I stand by this....

 

and I don't care . I like to play womens and if you can't the game can go to hell .

[zestalyn]

I'll always prefer DA over Witcher for its Bioware trademarks: custom female protagonist, companion system, dialogue choices, sleeker aesthetic (my opinion), and unconventional fantasy world that doesn't rely on outdated macho-infused fantasy tropes, and alot of other things.

I do like Witcher's side quests better b/c they have cutscenes. DAI definitely did poorly in the side quest department. Also, Roach runs much better than the IQ's horse lol.
 

Women are mostly not going to be calling the shots in a world run by warlords.

 

Our own world has seen its fair share of fem military figures. So to say there can't be powerful women in a warlord society within a purely high fantasy setting is hilarious, primitive, and shows a depressingly severe deficiency in imagination and reinterpretation. I hope you're not a writer or an artist.
 

[Toasted Llama]

In case of TW3? because t's a feudal society. Women are mostly not going to be calling the shots in a world run by warlords. If anything, it's unrealistic in the other direction (or realistic given sorcery, maybe). Do they mean the game is misogynist, for portraying an unequal culture? By that logic, Bioshock promotes child abuse and Civ 5 promotes nuclear war. And the Witcher itself is also misandrist because Geralt slaughters 10,000 male bandits. it's a work of fiction. It doesn't need to have a political agenda, shoehorning modern society values and crapping all over its world which was established almost 20 years ago, just to appease to social justice mantras from our real life.

 

besides, other genders in places of power and different sexualities are in the end also present in TW3. shows how much most of these "backseat critics" actually know about a game they have never even touched.

 

Where did God say gender Equality and equal Representation of sexual orientations Are too much?
Beside the fact that the world of TW was already created by a writer, so they couldn't overhaul it, Thedas itself isn't the paradise of gender equality etc. While the games allow us to play a character of the gender and (most) sexual orientations we prefer, the world itself is full of racism and discrimination. Beside the Qun, women in Antiva have different roles then men, and in both Orlais or Tevinter there Are often problems with having ****** sexual relationship, At least in public for the nobles.

My comment was actually more directed at the negativity that someone receives for making the choice to play (only) as a female protagonist in a primarily male protagonist dominated industry, because this is actually the perfect way get a free market to create more female protagonists (decrease demand for male, increase demand for female) and also directed at this:

 

It's not about equality or fairness. It's never been about equality or fairness. It never will be about equality or fairness. And it certainly won't be in this world. It's a biological fact. 3 million years of evolution in hominids are against you there.

Considering the "3 million years of evolution" comment, I'm assuming the comment has stepped outside of the Witcher series.

[The Big Red One]

Our own world has seen its fair share of fem military figures. So to say there can't be powerful women in a warlord society within a purely high fantasy setting is hilarious, primitive, and shows a depressingly severe deficiency in imagination and reinterpretation. I hope you're not a writer or an artist.

 
learn how to read, sweetheart. i didnt say they can't be in places of power, I only said that they're MOSTLY not the ones who are usually and openly calling the shots in the world of Witcher and gave explanations why it is realistic in accordance to the said world(expections usually make the rule - such as Saskia, Calanthé, Meve, Phillipa Eilhart etc.), which seems to be the issue when some people seem to think Witcher is some kind of misogynist wet dream or some crap like that when in fact, it's based on an already established world, with established history, society and heavily influenced by slavic nations circa 1200. it has nothing to do with some social injustice, not giving a chance to women etc. it's just devs being consistent with what was given to them by Andrzej Sapkowski.

i am fine if some people have a gripe with the game. it's probably not for everyone just as most Final Fantasy, Deus Ex or Gothic games. But to complain about equality in a game like this seems just silly to me.

[Felya87]

The Witcher force me to play a straight dude. Just for this, the witcher is in my opinion, inferior to DAI.

[Bizantura]

I am playing the witcher 3 right now.  After 60 hours enjoying it and loving the story my gripe is that it is so heavily scripted that the "open world" part is all but redundent.  At first I did not noticed because I was engulfed in the story.  If you love a game with good story telling this is one hell of a game.  

 

DAI is a different game all together and the "open world" here makes far more sense.  I am lucky I like both gamestyles and glad to own both.  I think DAI had great things implemented that were cut due to the older consoles that couldn't handel it.  Story telling/open world is far more balanced in DAI but offcourse that is my opinion.

[TK514]

I liked TW3's characters and story, but that is irrelevant to DAI. What BioWare should take away from TW3 is it's scope, scale, and implementation. TW3 takes all of DAI's marketed selling points except Skyhold (EDIT: and character customization) and does them significantly better.

The semi-open world feels huge and alive. Choices, even seemingly small ones, have weight, and may have longer term consequences (And I include the option to ignore or outright fail some quests as choices, here). Most of the conflicts in the game, such as the current status of Mages in the north, are given the development and resolution such important matters deserve.

Frankly, TW3 is what DAI should have been.

[God]

To this day I still love that people take dragons, elves and dwarves for granted in fantasy settings but gender equality and equal representation of sexual orientations is too much.


Scratch my entire comment if your comment is a parody/satire, because Poe's Law still exists.

 

Nah, I just think a lot of people have some pretty skewed priorities. 

 

Not everything needs to be equally representative. It's always a game of equals, and who gets to be more equal than others. I think people should care more about a good story and less about issues like that.

 

As you say, this is a fantasy setting. Not a romance simulator.

 

For inclusivity, like Krem, you're damn right I think that's way over the top.

[Russalka]

 

I heard a fan of the books say that the games are far more sexist.

[Milan92]

Sorry, not especially interested in playing a predefined foulmouthed character in a Crapsack World who sleeps with anything that is female and will hold still.

 

Except that he doesn't.

 

But let's play the ignorant ape, far more easier than doing some proper research.