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[Laughing_Man]

That doesn't work with human communities.  Why should it work with other organic races, let alone synthetics.

 

Providing information =/=providing understanding.  And even understanding doesn't guarantee acceptance of a point of view.  Not unless you tinker with someone's mind.

 

So what about sexuality?  his father tried to use blood magic to make him accept his place in Tevinter society.  Which sounds an awful lot like Synthesis and providing "understanding" and "a new point of view" and encouraging him to accept it.

 

It doesn't work now, but will work with green lights because Synthesis is space-magic, it's Singularity, and a literal Utopia.

This is what it is sold as, and we wouldn't be able to understand such a concept anyway, not truly, so arguing semantics about it is meaningless, just accept the concept and move on. You don't have to like it.

 

I don't really care one way or the other about Dorian's sexuality story.

In my mind if someone wanted to change his own sexuality, be it through blood-magic, pills, or prayer (as useless as it will be), he can go ahead.

If you did this against someone's will, than it will be just as terrible as any other mind washing or mind-control for any nefarious purpose.

I find the entire drama about it to be yawn worthy.

Despite everything you might say about Dorian's father, he still cared about his son in the end, as terrible as he might have been there are worse fathers in stories.

[Iakus]

It doesn't work now, but will work with green lights because Synthesis is space-magic, it's Singularity, and a literal Utopia.

This is what it is sold as, and we wouldn't be able to understand such a concept anyway, not truly, so arguing semantics about it is meaningless, just accept the concept and move on. You don't have to like it.

 

So it's not mind control, it's just space magic.

 

 

Okaaaaaaay....

[Monica21]

So it's not mind control, it's just space magic.

 

 

Okaaaaaaay....

 

"Add your energy to the Crucible. The chain reaction will combine all synthetic and organic life into a new framework. A new DNA."

"The energy of the Crucible, released in this way, will alter the matrix of all organic life in the galaxy. Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding. Organics will be perfected by integrating fully with synthetic technology. Synthetics, in turn, will finally have full understanding of organics."

 

Boom, space magic.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Of course you know if I was working for Bioware I would have slipped a slide in the Synthesis ending with Urdnot Ratch bouncing a baby pyjak on his knee. I wonder if that would have made it? You remember Ratch don't you? The one with Urz?

[Iakus]

Of course you know if I was working for Bioware I would have slipped a slide in the Synthesis ending with Urdnot Ratch bouncing a baby pyjak on his knee. I wonder if that would have made it? You remember Ratch don't you? The one with Urz?

Make it a pyjack/krogan hybrid and you've got yourself a deal!  

[Marolf]

Every decision brought upon me by someone else is forced upon me.

So this counts for all of the possible decisions Shepard can make.

 

But it is true, that synthesis has to include the perfect indoctrination/persuasion. You can see it in the cutscene, they are shaking their heads, as if they just woke up from a nightmare or something. Suprisingly all Reaper Thralls gain a synthesis consciousness aswell. After the mind got sucked out, now they recieve a new one.

 

The Catalyst said, they tried something similar in the past, but it didn't work, because it wanted to force the decission. A reference to Saren?

Otherwise there must have been an other Crucible before, but the Reapers couldn't use it (subroutine restrictions like "don't kill yourself").

 

But in the end, synthesis will be rejected by gaia, nature, the organic life itself or whatever you want to call it.

Why? Because this "perfect evolution" is artifical after all.

And nature always finds a way. Maybe not right afterwards, but eventually.

 

Just look at the Krogans, who slowly began to become imune to the effects of the genophage without any interference.

 

But why did Joker still have to limp? Obviously no green DNA Repair-Nano-Bots available.

 

So Synthesis is the Catalysts fairytale ending and it fits as the good night story from grandpa stargazer perfectly.

[Domar]

When I first reached the end of ME3 I thought the "synthesis" solution - the union of organics and machines - sounded the right choice for my character. But I had no idea that this solution was taken so literally, i.e. that the physical bodies of each race would be tranformed into a mixture of the two. I found the effect rather disturbing, going against my sense of what's natural.

 

The disappointment was aggravated by the fact that, theoretically, the synthesis idea need not have been understood so literally in order for the story to hold. The conflict between organics and machines stemmed from their attitudes or software, so the synthesis solution could just as well have affected these mindsets or settings alone for the same peace to come around.

 

Also, from a roleplaying perspective, I felt that my character at the time would never have chosen the synthesis solution, had she known it would come out like that.

 

Other than that, of all the game endings I've experienced so far, no-one comes close to the emotional impact which ME3 had on me. It was like the greatest of movies.

[Laughing_Man]

Other than that, of all the game endings I've experienced so far, no-one comes close to the emotional impact which ME3 had on me. It was like the greatest of movies.

 

I'm jealous. Also glad that at least someone liked ME3's ending and didn't come out bitter and / or frustrated.

Did you watch the endings after the "Extended Cut" DLC came out?

[Domar]

Yes, I should have mentioned that. Before my first ending of ME3, I had picked up enough info to install EC. So I never experienced the original ending. From what I´ve heard of the latter, if I had seen that first, chances are my main reaction what have been different.

With EC, however, I was allowed to experience the roleplaying of my character to the fullest extent. She deep down being a rather sensitive loner that never got to romance anybody made the final sacrifice of her life in order to save all her friends and everything she cared for heavy in a positive way, as it was the act of a true heroine. That´s why it had a stronger emotional impact on me than most endings of whatever fiction I´ve partaken in.

 

PS. I'm afraid I got my memory a bit mixed up here. The above came from the destroy solution. I reached the synthesis solution with a different character, and this I did not like.

[Felps Cross]

Since most people consider synthesis to be the best ending

 

I dont really think its the best ending for most of players. In fact, morphing synthetics w/ organics would be like an abomination of life (check Saren, or husks, or cerberus soldiers). And the reapers stay alive.

 

"Dead reapers is how we win this." - Admiral Hackett

[MrStoob]

What about the more primitive species?  Let's say for arguments sake, the varren.  They'll suddenly go from a pretty base organism with little awareness of their true surroundings or the nature of the universe to super cyborgs.  Will they ramp up intelligence to become useful members of the galaxy?  Or still be quite base and now even more dangerous than they were before?  See also, the yhag.

 

I did do a very short scene (not published) of Javik right after synthesis is put into effect.  He was not a happy bunny.  

 

Snippet:

 

“I will kill her!” Javik shouts.

“Javik!” Liara scolds. “We're alive, aren't we? The galaxy is free!”

“You call this alive? We are no better now than the machines that came to kill us. This is how Shepard ends the war, by becoming one of them?”

“Can you not feel it though?”

“Feel what?”

“The galaxy, buzzing around in your head. As one. Connected. Complete.”

“I hear only chaos. I did not ask for this. Commander Shepard has betrayed all the peoples of this galaxy!”

[Laughing_Man]

What about the more primitive species?  Let's say for arguments sake, the varren.  They'll suddenly go from a pretty base organism with little awareness of their true surroundings or the nature of the universe to super cyborgs.  Will they ramp up intelligence to become useful members of the galaxy?  Or still be quite base and now even more dangerous than they were before?  See also, the yhag.

 

I did do a very short scene (not published) of Javik right after synthesis is put into effect.  He was not a happy bunny.  

 

Snippet:

 

“I will kill her!” Javik shouts.

“Javik!” Liara scolds. “We're alive, aren't we? The galaxy is free!”

“You call this alive? We are no better now than the machines that came to kill us. This is how Shepard ends the war, by becoming one of them?”

“Can you not feel it though?”

“Feel what?”

“The galaxy, buzzing around in your head. As one. Connected. Complete.”

“I hear only chaos. I did not ask for this. Commander Shepard has betrayed all the peoples of this galaxy!”

 

Yeahhh... While the *idea* of synthesis sounds interesting, it's no more than solve-all-problems space magic, that does not hold water under close inspection.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

While there are numerous uncounted ass pulls involved with synthesis, we must choose to ignore them so that we have a docile Wreav.

[Iakus]

While there are numerous uncounted ass pulls involved with synthesis, we must choose to ignore them so that we have a docile Wreav.

Kalros makes Wreav plenty docile enough for me

 

SYnthesized thresher maws.  What universe does that make sense in?

[MrStoob]

Does plant life get a say now then as well?

[SwobyJ]

My real life reaction?

 

Well I love the general concept of eventual utopian posthumanism, so I went for it.

 

Afterward, I decided it wasn't worth it, not in this form, not with this definite (and for me, theoretical) context.

[SwobyJ]

Does plant life get a say now then as well?

 

Yes.

 

Doesn't mean it won't get squashed, but it'll have a say, and 'understand' when it doesn't get to 'survive'.

 

But everyone now more clearly is 'one' together anyway. It isn't a plant, it is the 'plant part of Synthesis galaxy' (as one).

 

A plant will not be 'killed' unless it is calculated to serve the better good of the Whole Synthesis Galaxy, not just the whim of a group of individual. Every'one' will 'passively' calculate what this 'good' means.

 

This means far fewer plant 'killings', but when they 'happen', they aren't even viewed as 'kills', but a redefinition of the united Synthesis Galaxy form of life. All deaths all the time + no death ever happens, because life and death itself is not nearly as strictly defined as in what we consider mortal organic existence. Synthesis didn't unite the universe, but it did unite the Mass Effect Galaxy as we understand it, not 'solving all problems', but in 'solving' the biggest problem (as far as entities like Reapers and Leviathans are concerned at least), all other problems are minimized or brushed aside.

 

This can be considered a great thing, a best result for the galaxy, or it can be considered a false solution, a solution which impedes better solutions for all the things we care about beyond the organic+synthetic conflict. The Krogan didn't individually learn how to get along with others, they just immediately become one with them - then what really is an effing Krogan now? Its all Synthesis Galaxy now. An individual nation.

 

IMO