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[midnight tea]

Hopefully Gaspard will fix that issue in Orlais

 

Gaspard? Maybe if he's under Briala's thumb, but on his own? Ahahahaha... doubt it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard? Maybe if he's under Briala's thumb, but on his own? Ahahahaha... doubt it.

He can rule solely and even under blackmail he's still emperor.

His position outlasts the petty blackmail by a wide margin if he can live a decade.

So yes.

Gaspard exiling the Dalish from Orlais should be a possibility. He wanted to do it for a long time after all.

Hostile insurgents lurking in the woods is bad for everyone.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Gaspard? Maybe if he's under Briala's thumb, but on his own? Ahahahaha... doubt it.

Would be a waste of time considering the amount of clans & the wide space, would be much time used for little results, easier to leave them alone unless a clan becomes a menace by turning to regular banditry

[midnight tea]

He can rule solely and even under blackmail he's still emperor.

His position outlasts the petty blackmail by a wide margin if he can live a decade.

So yes.

Gaspard exiling the Dalish from Orlais should be a possibility. He wanted to do it for a long time after all.

Hostile insurgents lurking in the woods is bad for everyone.

 

Ah, you mean it in context of getting rid of the Dalish/elves not making things any better for them. Oh, I agree here.

[Master Warder Z_]

Would be a waste of time considering the amount of clans & the wide space, would be much time used for little results, easier to leave them alone unless a clan becomes a menace by turning to regular banditry

Considering he petitioned to Celene, I'd assume he has a target in mind, perhaps several.

It isn't like Orlais doesn't have the muscle or money

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Considering he petitioned to Celene, I'd assume he has a target in mind, perhaps several.

It isn't like Orlais doesn't have the muscle or money

Seems like a waste of resources to try & expel a large spread out group like the Dalish, would just move around repeatedly untill the army got sick of trying to track them, & they'd likely just re enter Orlais eventually anyway if removed

[Master Warder Z_]

Seems like a waste of resources to try & expel a large spread out group like the Dalish, would just move around repeatedly untill the army got sick of trying to track them, & they'd likely just re enter Orlais eventually anyway if removed

Which is why you kill them?

Its the orlesian army love.

Even if they only used half of a percent of their population, they'd have roughly 40,000 people to throw at a few...what hundred elves?

o...o

And waste of resources? To remove a hostile trespassing group of bandits?

[Sifr]

Which is why you kill them?

Its the orlesian army love.

Even if they only used half of a percent of their population, they'd have roughly 40,000 people to throw at a few...what hundred elves?

o...o

And waste of resources? To remove a hostile trespassing group of bandits?

 

Good luck, the only way that Orlais could manage that is to close the borders, put the army in a massive line spanning the length of the country and walk slowly from one side of the Empire to the other, trying to comb every single metre of the country to try and ferret them out?

 

Given the massive size of Orlais, the amount of forests to hide in and natural obstacles that would need to be passed, it'd be a fool's errand. That kind of massive snipe hunt would only ever end with it being crowned "Gaspard's Folly" and the Dalish being back in the country by the end of the week?

 

Besides, not all of them are hostile or bandits... the Dalish in the Exalted Plains for instance are completely benign and friendly, they're just trying to keep out of the way of the armies currently fighting in spitting distance of them.

[Master Warder Z_]

Good luck

You don't need luck for a task like this.

You don't need it to do this job, you need a decent map and marching boots.

The elves need it to escape.

Logistically its quite feasible simply due to the bandits in question being within range of several settlements, it wouldn't be a long campaign.

Commit a single ranging platoon and you can work from the borders of the dales inward one camp at a time.

You don't even need professional soldiers for this one, numbers and positioning works.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'd suspect that the Dalish would write off the dales in a hurry rather then die for lands Orlais is evicting them from.

Yes.

Gaspard could win the entire province from a skirmish or two.

[Sifr]

You don't need luck for a task like this.

You don't need it to do this job, you need a decent map and marching boots.

The elves need it to escape.

Logistically its quite feasible simply due to the bandits in question being within range of several settlements, it wouldn't be a long campaign.

Commit a single ranging platoon and you can work from the borders of the dales inward one camp at a time.

You don't even need professional soldiers for this one, numbers and positioning works.

 

I'd suspect that the Dalish would write off the dales in a hurry rather then die for lands Orlais is evicting them from.

Yes.

Gaspard could win the entire province from a skirmish or two.

 

If the Dalish haven't left in 800 years, or even when their people were evicted from their own homeland, they're not about to leave because some jumped up Chevalier wants to throw his codpiece around to show he's a man?

 

Likewise, if Orlais hasn't been able to kick them out after all this time, it's probably not going to happen.

 

Besides, these aren't the untrained and untested elves of the Alienages, that any soldier, mercenary or guard can simply roll over and crush their resistance like in Halamshiral, this would pit the the Orlesian army against a group of elves who have been actually trained in the use of weapons, have detailed knowledge of the land and local environment and know good places to hide and go to ground if they get outnumbered.

 

Overwhelming force does not equate military success, if you've got a bunch of people who are skilled in guerrilla warface, they can end up stalemating or forcing the superior force to pay for every inch they gain, history in our world has proven that time and time again.

[Master Warder Z_]

Likewise, if Orlais hasn't been able to kick them out after all this time, it's probably not going to happen.

Hasn't been able? There is no documented attempt Brohan.

And I'll say this on the success of insurgencies against overwhelming force.

They don't succeed when the natives are the overwhelming force.

This isn't Afghanistan in 83 its more akin to the siege of Malta.

[Sifr]

Hasn't been able? There is no documented attempt Brohan.

And I'll say this on the success of insurgencies against overwhelming force.

They don't succeed when the natives are the overwhelming force.

This isn't Afghanistan in 83 its more akin to the siege of Malta.

 

Not since the Exalted March on the Dales, you're right, but if launching a mass crusade wasn't enough to kick them out, nothing is?

 

Which Siege of Malta do you mean, WW2 or 16th century?

[Master Warder Z_]

Not since the Exalted March on the Dales, you're right, but if launching a mass crusade wasn't enough to kick them out, nothing is?

Which Siege of Malta do you mean, WW2 or 16th century?

...The siege of Malta by the Muslims, I think the wiki article is titled the "great siege of Malta"

[Master Warder Z_]

Wasn't that great to the fleeing invaders I'll tell you that much, largest armada assembled since like...the Persian Empire was still a thing and it mostly ended up on the bottom of the sea.

[Sifr]

Wait, this is confusing, who's supposed to be the natives and invaders in this scenario, because shouldn't the defenders be the Dalish and the invasion force be the Orlesians, meaning the Dalish would win? Although the comparison kinda doesn't work, since not only have they nowhere that could survive an actual siege, it didn't even work historically, because this exact thing happened with Halamshiral and the city still ended up falling?

 

I'd say that if the Dalish and Orlais ever got into any kind of serious conflict and they all rose up to fight the Imperial army, it'd be more akin to hit and run style ambushes, designed to slowly pick at the enemy, than any kind of open warfare like the kind that the Orlesians are used to.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wait, this is confusing, who's supposed to be the natives and invaders in this scenario

Whose empire is it and whose is squatting upon said empire.

Should clear everything up.

And that concludes this rather pointless conversation.

:/

[Sifr]

Whose empire is it and whose is squatting upon said empire.

Should clear everything up.

And that concludes this rather pointless conversation.

:/

 

That's the thing about Empires though, they have a nagging tendency to claim that anything in view is "theirs" by right, or use the "Do you have a flag?" argument to try and prove that they know own something because they stuck a flag down.

 

By that logic, Maric and his rebel army were squatting rebels, because their country had been occupied for over 80 years and was clearly part of the "glorious" Orlesian Empire... I mean, the maps showed it and everything?

 

The Orlesians don't care about the Dalish squatting on their lands, when it comes down to it, they'd much prefer to stroke their egos by beating up the elves that are so demoralised they won't stand upto them, rather than those who actually might present an actual danger to them.

 

That's why they needed to crush the city elf rebellion in Halamshiral, not because the elves were any kind of threat to them physically, but the idea that the elves were rallying together and had decided they didn't want to take anymore smeg from them, was simply too dangerous to be allowed to continue.

 

That's pretty much Orlais in a nutshell, a bully who targets those already weaker than them.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Orlesians don't care about the Dalish squatting on their land

You forget what even prompted this discussion boyo?

Gaspard does.

And God forbid he reclaim Orlais from the insurgency that plagues it.

That'd be imperialism

[Master Warder Z_]

Anyway I see no resolution to this beyond merely concluding the dialogue.

Maker knows I have better things to do then argue the results of a expulsion of the murder hobos from Orlais

[Sifr]

You forget what even prompted this discussion boyo?

Gaspard does.

And God forbid he reclaim Orlais from the insurgency that plagues it.

That'd be imperialism

 

Gaspard also wants to take the throne, invade Ferelden and reclaim Nevarra and the Marches. He'd probably travel the moons and carve his family jewels (figuratively and literally) onto them if he could... doesn't mean he can actually pull those things off?

 

(The conquest bit, not pull of his fam... you get the picture)

 

Thus far, the only dangerous insurgent in the Empire is Gaspard and his cronies, who've torn up the countryside trying to take the throne from Celene. Meanwhile, the Dalish have been minding their own business.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

Whatever

[FiveThreeTen]

I don't know, it's seems from TME that dalish clans are very scarce in Orlais anyway and that the "threat" they pose is vastly overestimated.

 

The Orlesians don't care about the Dalish squatting on their lands, when it comes down to it, they'd much prefer to stroke their egos by beating up the elves that are so demoralised they won't stand upto them, rather than those who actually might present an actual danger to them.

 

That's why they needed to crush the city elf rebellion in Halamshiral, not because the elves were any kind of threat to them physically, but the idea that the elves were rallying together and had decided they didn't want to take anymore smeg from them, was simply too dangerous to be allowed to continue.

Ok, but however justified they were for rebelling the elves were killing guards and droving humans out of the city. Ultimately it's not surprising it warranted some kind of reaction on the Orlesian side no?

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't know, it's seems from TME that dalish clans are very scarce in Orlais anyway and that the "threat" they pose is vastly overestimated

...And?

[KaiserShep]

Gaspard also wants to take the throne, invade Ferelden and reclaim Nevarra and the Marches. He'd probably travel the moons and carve his family jewels (figuratively and literally) onto them if he could... doesn't mean he can actually pull those things off?

 

 

 

Bah. Thedas will never bow to those cheese-eating despair monkeys.