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[midnight tea]

It won't be a surprise, and it won't arrive intact.

Orlais has a navy

 

Which won't be a problem if Qunari will bring enough of their exploding powder.

[raging_monkey]

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[Boost32]

That's assuming they'd march through Teinter and Nevarra/Free Marches, instead of deploying an armada that will reach Waking Sea and have pretty sweet access to Orlais and everything that lays nearby. I kinda don't see anyone from Rivain stopping them, especially if their armada is big enough or they produce enough gattlok to just destroy everything on their path... and who know what else they may have prepared down their sleeve.

Shouldnt they first pass through Nevarra, Ferelden and the Free Marches? Do you really think all those kingdoms and City States would let a Qunari armada pass through their territory and not attack them?
And how would the Qunari resupply? They would leave Qunadar and go director to Orlais? I dont think their supply would last the entire voyage.

Edit: and I forgot about how they would estabilish a supply line? Gaatlok is not infinite and their only possible supply line would be by sea, and again they would need to not be attacked by Nevarra, Felrenden and the Free Marches to get a steady supply line, and I dont see it feasible at all.

[Master Warder Z_]

This is something that makes me chuckle.

The idea, the absurdity that a hostile navy would go through the territorial waters of Tevinter, Rivain, Antiva, Fereldan and actually even make it across the continent to threaten Orlais.

Its amusing.

It would be a open declaration of war on Thedas but let's pretend it would arrive intact.

Orlais has a capable seagoing navy and merchant navy, let's overlook that the Qunari lost sea battles in the prior war, let's overlook this is the greatest economic and military power in the known world.

[Master Warder Z_]

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[midnight tea]

Shouldnt they first pass through Nevarra, Ferelden and the Free Marches? Do you really think all those kingdoms and City States would let a Qunari armada pass through their territory and not attack them?
And how would the Qunari resupply? They would leave Qunadar and go director to Orlais? I dont think their supply would last the entire voyage.

Edit: and I forgot about how they would estabilish a supply line? Gaatlok is not infinite and their only possible supply line would be by sea, and again they would need to not be attacked by Nevarra, Felrenden and the Free Marches to get a steady supply line, and I dont see it feasible at all.

 

If they took the sea route they wouldn't even pass through those territories, wouldn't they?

 

They also may not be able to withstand an amassed invasion from the sea (do Free Marches or Nevarra even have anything that resembles a fleet?), ESPECIALLY that we DO know that many City States have been pretty badly hit by mage-templar war, plus we have no idea how many rifts are there and how well everyone's dealing with them (Inquisitor can't be everywhere). Inquisition is basically the only power left intact/growing - everyone else is in rather bad condition. It's a pretty sweet moment for Qunari to plan invasion - I mean, even if they arrived weakened, they should still present significant force for lands recently torn apart by more than one conflict.

 

Also - why assume that gaatlok can't be created on spot? Why assume that materials available to crate it are only obtainable in Par Vollen?

[midnight tea]

This is something that makes me chuckle.

The idea, the absurdity that a hostile navy would go through the territorial waters of Tevinter, Rivain, Antiva, Fereldan and actually even make it across the continent to threaten Orlais.

Its amusing.

It would be a open declaration of war on Thedas but let's pretend it would arrive intact.

Orlais has a capable seagoing navy and merchant navy, let's overlook that the Qunari lost sea battles in the prior war, let's overlook this is the greatest economic and military power in the known world.

 

What is the greatest economic and military power in the known world? Orlais? It was just torn apart by TWO WARS - and that's not counting all the rifts or red lyrium infestation.

 

Also - it's Qunari plan IS to eventually conquer and convert all of Thedas; question remains whether they're ready to declare war.

[Master Warder Z_]

What is the greatest economic and military power in the known world?

Orlais.

Its strength remains unchallenged in the known world.

Its vast wealth, massive territory and undeniable military power secure it as the only military superpower in Thedas

[Boost32]

If they took the sea route they wouldn't even pass through those territories, wouldn't they?
 
They also may not be able to withstand an amassed invasion from the sea (do Free Marches or Nevarra even have anything that resembles a fleet?), ESPECIALLY that we DO know that many City States have been pretty badly hit by mage-templar war, plus we have no idea how many rifts are there and how well everyone's dealing with them (Inquisitor can't be everywhere). Inquisition is basically the only power left intact/growing - everyone else is in rather bad condition. It's a pretty sweet moment for Qunari to plan invasion - I mean, even if they arrived weakened, they should still present significant force for lands recently torn apart by more than one conflict.
 
Also - why assume that gaatlok can't be created on spot? Why assume that materials available to crate it are only obtainable in Par Vollen?

Do you really think they can make the entire travel without resupply? Or that a massive fleet wouldnt be detected by any of those Kingdoms or city states?
And dont you think it would leave Seheron open to a Tevinter attack? With so many soldiers and ships going to Orlais how they can defend Seheron? Losing it would cripple their already poor supply line.

Because I doubt the people who can create it go with the Antaam invading other nations, there was none with the Arishok (I think they are part of the Arigena's people) and it would be completely dumb to let someone who knows the very secret formula to be exposed to kidnapping and interrogation.

[midnight tea]

Orlais.

Its strength remains unchallenged in the known world.

Its vast wealth, massive territory and undeniable military power secure it as the only military superpower in Thedas

 

Its strength DID become challenged during events of Inquisition. Don't forget that it's Inquisitor's decision who actually rules Orlais in the first place - that's how bad things are. Orlais might be the only country that holds both Tevinter and everything else at bay, but it's hardly an undeniable power anymore. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Qunari's military might is greater. And Orlais is not so far above it's human rivals that it hasn't suffered major defeats and loss of territory to Nevarra.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Qunari's military might is greater.

Petty supposition and speculation.

At the height of their conquest they never even reached mid ground Thedas.

Their technology may be superior due...narrative constraints but make no mistake Thedas kicked their commie asses back to Qun Moscow

[Master Warder Z_]

I've stated it plainly over the years that by the end of the war their military situation was so untenable they couldn't do much besides sue for peace.

Their overextended and crumbling lines went from challenging Thedosian armies across four fronts to a single fortress city in upper Rivain.

Due in no small part to the failure of their attempt at their invasion of the Free Marches which Orlais put a stop to by freeing Kirkwall from their oppression.

[midnight tea]

Do you really think they can make the entire travel without resupply? Or that a massive fleet wouldnt be detected by any of those Kingdoms or city states?
And dont you think it would leave Seheron open to a Tevinter attack? With so many soldiers and ships going to Orlais how they can defend Seheron? Losing it would cripple their already poor supply line.

Because I doubt the people who can create it go with the Antaam invading other nations, there was none with the Arishok (I think they are part of the Arigena's people) and it would be completely dumb to let someone who knows the very secret formula to be exposed to kidnapping and interrogation.

 

Considering that Qunari are masters of breaking or "programming" people I highly doubt that those who know the secret of creating the gunpowder are that easy to pull information from. PLUS, smuggling and hiding a few knowledgeable people is less risky and more effective in the long run, unlike transporting large quantities of gaatlok from Seheron.

 

Also - no, I don't assume they can make a long travel without ressuply; I just think they're just meticulous enough to take care of it before the invasion, or before any major force will realize that the bulk of their force is about to enter waters near their kingdoms. They don't have to sail near shores after they pass Rivain after all. And they DEFINITELY don't have to enter Rialto Bay, which is the only way Antiva would notice something's fishy going on. Might as well sail far enough and enter Brecillian forest, only to resupply themselves, rebuild strength and attack weakened Ferelden first.

[midnight tea]

Petty supposition and speculation.

At the height of their conquest they never even reached mid ground Thedas.

Their technology may be superior due...narrative constraints but make no mistake Thedas kicked their commie asses back to Qun Moscow

 

No more petty and less speculative than claiming that Orais is still the power it was or that it remains unchallenged.

 

 

Also - Thedas kicked their commie asses A WHILE AGO. A lot has changed till then. The Blight ravaged lands only a decade before and the later conflict helped Corypheus rise and almost realized his plan of conquering South by unleashing both enslaved mages, Templars, Wardens and demons on it. As far as we know rifts abound and, any tensions yet remain between nations, factions and classes.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Petty supposition and speculation.

At the height of their conquest they never even reached mid ground Thedas.

Their technology may be superior due...narrative constraints but make no mistake Thedas kicked their commie asses back to Qun Moscow

 

They reached the Free Marches. That is the middle of Thedas. And they conducted sea raids along the Waking Sea into Orlais and Nevarra. But moreover they were able to sustain this battle against all nations of Thedas for 150 years and it still ended with the human nations so worn down they weren't able to continue liberating the last piece of their territory. 

 

Orlais has never fought that many enemies for that long, and they've even lost some of their territory to their neighbors.

[Master Warder Z_]

Orlais has never fought that many enemies for that long, and they've even lost some of their territory to their neighbors.

You are going to continue to harp up that one city forever aren't you?

And Orlais fought continuously for near on a century during the blight and maintained its ability to throw armies at the Qunari even in the ending stages of the war.

Ultimately you're little record of the Qunari lasting that long rings of Mandolorian complex.

Their inability to actually inflict lasting damage and hold territory led to them winning nothing from that war.

Beyond exposing that their military infrastructure can't sustain itself if its actually pressed.

Estwatch is a revealing hint at their independent range.

It needed position and mobility and if denied it has nothing.

[Master Warder Z_]

Basically Qunari ain't ****

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You are going to continue to harp up that one city forever aren't you?

And Orlais fought continuously for near on a century during the blight and maintained its ability to throw armies at the Qunari even in the ending stages of the war.

Ultimately you're little record of the Qunari lasting that long rings of Mandolorian complex.

Their inability to actually inflict lasting damage and hold territory led to them winning nothing from that war.

Beyond exposing that their military infrastructure can't sustain itself if its actually pressed.

Estwatch is a revealing hint at their independent range.

It needed position and mobility and if denied it has nothing.

 

The Blight? What are you talking about? There was no blight anywhere near the Qunari Wars. But if you are comparing The Qunari's record of holding territory to Orlesian Empire's, I don't think Orlais comes out on top there, either. They conquered Ferelden for 55 years and lost it. They seized the city of Nevarra after the Third Blight and lost it after 40 years. Drakon ruled The Anderfels and most of the Free Marches and both declared independence soon after his death. Nevarra itself also conquered large swaths of their territory after it became a power in it's own right.

 

The Llomerryn Accords were signed in part because the human nations were "strained to be brink of collapse." So even if Orlais was so might that it hadn't actually been fighting alongside all the other nations, they probably weren't going to be able to press any further. Especially since they had been liberating allied territory for most of the time.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Mahariel is presented -- by the game -- as a Dalish quite willing to deliberately stick an arrow in a Human's face in the very first scenes.  

 

No, you are presented the choice of whether Mahariel is that way or if Mahariel is totally fine with letting the humans in the prologue go away without doing any harm to them at all. The game doesn't treat one as more or less valid a choice than the other.

 

Exactly, regardless of the characterisation we chose, that was the starting point and it is pretty negative. Despite Duncan referring to the Dalish as "noble wanderers", he's narration makes it pretty clear that this is not the first time that we've encountered humans out in the forest;

 

"You spend your time hunting with your clan-mate Tamlen in the forests, and as is sometimes the case, your quarry is not just the local wildlife."

 

And the first thing Tamlen talks about is bandits, so this is not automatically a case of the elves being murderous - it is at least as likely that it means that you've defended your clan from humans trying to murder them before.

[Boost32]

Considering that Qunari are masters of breaking or "programming" people I highly doubt that those who know the secret of creating the gunpowder are that easy to pull information from. PLUS, smuggling and hiding a few knowledgeable people is less risky and more effective in the long run, unlike transporting large quantities of gaatlok from Seheron.
 
Also - no, I don't assume they can make a long travel without ressuply; I just think they're just meticulous enough to take care of it before the invasion, or before any major force will realize that the bulk of their force is about to enter waters near their kingdoms. They don't have to sail near shores after they pass Rivain after all. And they DEFINITELY don't have to enter Rialto Bay, which is the only way Antiva would notice something's fishy going on. Might as well sail far enough and enter Brecillian forest, only to resupply themselves, rebuild strength and attack weakened Ferelden first.

They still have people becoming Tal-Vashoth, they cant know if one of them will turn on them if captured. Anyway, we don't know how gaatlok is made, so we cant know if its possible to make it on the spot or not.

How are they going to resupply if they aren't going on land? And if they attack Ferelden, Gaspard realationship with them wont matter anyway.

While its fun discussing the Qunari, I don't think we should keep derailing the thread, so I will stop. You guys can continue if you want.

[Ieldra]

How did this topic get to "qunari invasion"? It should be apparent to everyone that if Bioware wants to use a qunari invasion as a plot element in their next game, there's enough lore to make that plausible. If they choose not to use it, there's enough lore to support that as well. So what exactly is the problem?

 

Anyway, my Lavellan hates the qunari but they don't feature prominently in her thoughts, rather than the ramifications of Mythal's reveal and the impact of past elven history on the present.  

[Boost32]

How did this topic get to "qunari invasion"? It should be apparent to everyone that if Bioware wants to use a qunari invasion as a plot element in their next game, there's enough lore to make that plausible. If they choose not to use it, there's enough lore to support that as well. So what exactly is the problem?
 
Anyway, my Lavellan hates the qunari but they don't feature prominently in her thoughts, rather than the ramifications of Mythal's reveal and the impact of past elven history on the present.

Warder said that Gaspard should make a pogrom to kill the Dalishies.
A discussion about who was the better ruler started and someone said that Gaspard would fall to a Qunari invasion if he alienates the Inquisition, Ferelden and the elves. Thats how its started.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard himself wished to engage the Dalish, I still fail to see that if given the authority why he wouldn't

Also using pogrom in this sense is inaccurate.

Its militant expulsion

[Ieldra]

Keep on sugarcoating things as you're wont to do with factions you like, Master Warder, but it won't change things: a pogrom is exactly what this would be.