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[Coldcall01]

I'm doing my first mage playthrough and i am having a total blast. Also I'e noticed that its only when you understand what your mage is capable of that it becomes obvious they are the better general or contoller of your party's battle strategies. My mage with arcane warrior specialisation feels way stronger than my first two warrior playthorughs.

Is it just me or are mages actually way more powerful than even the strongest warrior build? Maybe its just im using the mage far more than i was when it was just Morigan or Wynne.

But it does seem that even when i had a super uber warrior warden with the best armour etc...he still needed the party to help him out of scrapes, whereas a powerful PC mage can take almost any foe down singlehandedly by paralysis, cold spells etc...

I cant wait to meet Ser Cauthren this time around. Her swings are like death even to a high level warrior but i reckon a strong mage will take her down easily.

[jsachun]

Rubbish.

[Coldcall01]

jsachun wrote...

Rubbish.

Your eloquence shames us all!

[mosspit]

From your comments, you seem to be implying mages can solo better. Its true. Mages are one of the most versatile class thanks to aw. But party-wise, you probably can find equal or better alternatives.

[jsachun]

I'd like to see you deal with that ogre by yourself at Low Level at Ostagar.

[Coldcall01]

jsachun wrote...

I'd like to see you deal with that ogre by yourself at Low Level at Ostagar.

No i was not talking about soloing. I would not want to because i like the party interactiion.

However this time around the ogre at the top of the tower was easier to defeat than when my PC was a warrior.

[jsachun]

Coldcall01 wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I'd like to see you deal with that ogre by yourself at Low Level at Ostagar.

No i was not talking about soloing. I would not want to because i like the party interactiion.

However this time around the ogre at the top of the tower was easier to defeat than when my PC was a warrior.

Your a Harry Potter Type of Person

[mosspit]

jsachun wrote...

I'd like to see you deal with that ogre by yourself at Low Level at Ostagar.

I just killed high dragon on my solo nightmare run. You, ser, make too many assumptions.

[jsachun]

mosspit wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I'd like to see you deal with that ogre by yourself at Low Level at Ostagar.

I just killed high dragon on my solo nightmare run. You, ser, make too many assumptions.

Solo, what solo? Are you telling me you solo Ostagar?

[Gaidren]

I'm still in awe that somebody replied to what is essentially a "Do mages seem OP to you too?" post with "Rubbish."



Mages are by far the most powerful class in the game, largely due to how powerful CC effects are.



That being said, people have solo'd the entire game on Nightmare with mages, warriors, and rogues....so yeah.

[mosspit]

I cant. I had my teams mates stripped naked to avoid aggro and parked them at the entrance under cautious mode. I "soloed" the ogre by means dealing 100% of the dmg and making my pc as the sole source of aggro. Why so surprised? It has been done before by many.

[jsachun]

Not if you have resistence. they mean **** to a high level templar with high spell & elemental resistence.

[mosspit]

jsachun wrote...

Not if you have resistence. they mean **** to a high level templar with high spell & elemental resistence.

Thats when you use poison skills.

[jsachun]

mosspit wrote...

jsachun wrote...

Not if you have resistence. they mean **** to a high level templar with high spell & elemental resistence.

Thats when you use poison skills.

Nature resistence?!?

[mosspit]

Ok fine I lied. I didnt use poison. I just refreshed my 0.5sec cooldown rock armour when i got dispelled. I did try to use poison skill from a previous save tho. They take dmg just fine. I guess spell res != elemental res. I din follow thru as I din wanna waste my skill pt on poison.

[mosspit]

Lemme reiterate. Mages are versatile. Thats all.

[soteria]

Don't dignify jsachun's comments with replies. He's either trolling or a fool, and either way...

[MarshmellowDonuts]

x2 on soteria comments. It's common knowledge mages are the strongest most versatile class, your own mage build will be better than Morrigan or Wynne. It's common knowledge also an AW is a better warrior than warriors, jsachun's messing with ya.



There's one thing though, AW's have nothing for keeping aggro and where tanks excel (Shale being best). Also AW's get knocked around more (making wolf packs I would argue the deadliest opponent in the game an AW can run up against (playing solo anyway)). They can have you sitting on your butt 100% of the time, a warrior type is not likely to be sitting as much (or not at all with shield expertise).

[mosspit]

@Coldcall01: My apologies for the unintended hijack of this post.

I disagree that mages have nothing to keep aggro. Rogues are the ones who have "nothing" despite having the best survival qualities. Mages have no taunt but can unload AoEs to get aggro. Enemies will by no means stick like glue but Im guessing its good. Aggro part is theory as I have not played a pure tank AW.

Oh and AW can survive overwhelm and grabs ridiculously so due to high armour.

[x-president]

mosspit wrote...
I disagree that mages have nothing to keep aggro. Rogues are the ones who have "nothing" despite having the best survival qualities. Mages have no taunt but can unload AoEs to get aggro. Enemies will by no means stick like glue but Im guessing its good. Aggro part is theory as I have not played a pure tank AW.
Oh and AW can survive overwhelm and grabs ridiculously so due to high armour.

That depends.  Everytime my mages get chased down.  I think if warriors don't taunt or use threaten, the computer will tagret a class giving the most damage or in some cases, my healer has been targeted.

I've had enemies turn away from warriors attackign them and chase down the mages casting spells on them.


- Anyways, yea I love playing mages.  Out of the 4 characters I have, 3 are mages and during 2 of those game I had 3 mage teams.  I find mages fun to play becasue of the versatility and all the options that they give you.

 

[DJ0000]

mosspit wrote...

@Coldcall01: My apologies for the unintended hijack of this post.
Rogues are the ones who have "nothing" despite having the best survival qualities..

Am I the only one who found that no matter how much I tried to draw aggro to Alistair, everyone always wanted to kill my main charecter rogue first and foremost?......I hate rogues.

[mosspit]

DJ0000 wrote...

Am I the only one who found that no matter how much I tried to draw aggro to Alistair, everyone always wanted to kill my main charecter rogue first and foremost?......I hate rogues.

Well I think I can comment on this from my experience in playng a dw backstabber.
Taunt really is THE aggro skill. Even against bosses, I cldnt rmb a time when aggro was lost. The tricky part is the timing and range of taunt. Beyond that, think super glue.
Edit: I think what I am trying to say is mages are more effective than rogues in aggroing. Rogues are pretty much single targets dpser. They have AoEs but nowhere as effective as the AoEs of mages. Therefore, even if rogues gain aggro from individuals, they are ineffective in aggroing mob-wise.

Modifié par mosspit, 27 janvier 2010 - 05:27 .

[soteria]

DJ, get combat stealth and high cunning, and you can drop aggro every 10 seconds. Learn it, love it. I actually do a lot of aoe aggro with my rogue--dual weapon sweep and whirlwind every time they're up + flasks is a fair bit of aoe damage.

[Realmzmaster]

MarshmellowDonuts wrote...

x2 on soteria comments. It's common knowledge mages are the strongest most versatile class, your own mage build will be better than Morrigan or Wynne. It's common knowledge also an AW is a better warrior than warriors, jsachun's messing with ya.

There's one thing though, AW's have nothing for keeping aggro and where tanks excel (Shale being best). Also AW's get knocked around more (making wolf packs I would argue the deadliest opponent in the game an AW can run up against (playing solo anyway)). They can have you sitting on your butt 100% of the time, a warrior type is not likely to be sitting as much (or not at all with shield expertise).

You hit upon the arcane warrior Achille's heel. The two handed warrior gets Indomitable and the shield/sword warrior has Shield wall. The arcane warrior has nothing to counteract knockdowns. The wolves will knockdown, overwhelm and shred making life difficult for the arcane warrior.
The other problem with the arcane warrior is when you want to cast spells that require you to sheath your sword there is a combat delay.
I like the versatility of mages. But when one starts saying one class is better than another I want to see them pitted against each other. Like the TV show where they pit warriors or animals from different countries or time periods against each other.
For example a 20 level mage againt a 20 level rogue who wins. I assume the mage would win, but only if the mage survives the rogue's first attack. The rogue would be shealthed and approach the mage from behind. The rogue can use dirty fighting, Lethality and coup de grace. The mage may be dead.

If the rogue is unshealthed when facing the mage. The mage could strike first with Cone of Cold. If there is distance between the mage and rogue, the mage could start with an AOE spell.
How about a mage against a warrior with the templar specialization or rogue with the Ranger specialization. It would also depend on the spells the mage picks an/or specialization.
It would be an interesting contest.

 

[soteria]

Which class would win a duel is completely irrelevant to the question of whether one class is stronger than another in this game. Honestly, it's not even relevant in World of Warcraft.