Kaidan/Ash and Legion right? I think I managed that once.
Yes and no.
Ashley/Kaidan will always die on Virmire. Here's what I posted on another page
-don't recruit Wrex
-don't recruit Thane
-send the geth to Cerberus or don't activated it
-delete Maleon's data during Mordin's loyalty mission
if you choose synthesis or control only Ashley/Kaidan would be dead from Virmire and if you choose destroy, edi will be destroyed.
I have done a playthrough similiar to the above with only those 2 dying.
What I would've done is if Tali makes an attempt to stop Legion/gethvi from uploading the code, is have an interrupt pop up having Shepard stop her. Maybe shooting her in the arm or leg. While Tali is groaning from her wound, she makes another attempt to stop the geth from uploading and this time the other squadmate kills her. It would be interesting if the other squadmate is Liara or Garrus. If the interrupt is not used, Tali kills the geth. For an added bonus, if Tali and Shepard are in a relationship, Tali breaks it off since Shepard chose the geth.
If Shepard chooses the quarians, the scene plays oput the same as what is seen in the game
If my Shepard wanted to side with the geth and Tali interfered he'd shoot her himself. Maybe he'd try to wound first. Or maybe simply drawing would be the only warning.
I've never killed Wrex but if I were to, I'd want Shepard to do it himself. He can pull the trigger on anyone. It also means he doesn't let his underlings do the killing for him.
I don't think lack of self preservation after the upload can be used to discredit its effect during the upload. The two emotional states are very different.
Self preservation during the upload and after that changes. She sees her origin ship being destroyed, hears cries of the captain. She is in a highly emotional state and thinks she has nothing to live for. Thus suicide. The situation is different during the upload, there is still hope that her fleet will stand down, that Shepard will stop the upload, fear that Shepard will stop her, that the quarians won't stop. She is conflicted. Self preservation plays a role but it is moved to back after witnessing the destruction of Rayya and realization that she might be the only quarian left in the galaxy.
Again that doesn't make any sense. Tali/Raan knew exactly what would happen. She says it herself like 3 times and the geth practically spells out its intentions for her. There shouldn't be any such hopes, (especially not of the Fleet standing down doing anything to stop the geth with the VI around) at least not to the extent to override the effect of extremely powerful social conditioning present in a very collectivist society. The stakes are far too high for any rational person to do nothing in such a situation, let alone someone who essentially worships their own society and reviles the enemy who is destroying them. She can suddenly be an OOC coward who selfishly is afraid of Shep more than for those 17 million people who she has previously cared about enough to have her life ruined on false charges over, whatever, but that doesn't stop her from doing her job and easily pinging Gerrel with the "hey the geth are getting their Reaper code back and won't be sitting ducks in a second, maybe you should fall back or something". It'd have taken all of 3 seconds to do so.
It's just terrible, video gamey writing to serve a forced narrative no matter which way you slice it. At least it is optional.
You are entitled to your opinion and I don't criticize you for it.
But man does my blood boil when the game itself tries to pull this ****. Why is it so awful when it's an asari? What is so damn pristine or pure about them, compared to the rest of organics?
Again, not aimed at you specifically, it's just that the sentiment itself makes me want to punch puppies. And kitties. And babies. Preferably at the same time.
Blame hormones 
If my Shepard wanted to side with the geth and Tali interfered he'd shoot her himself. Maybe he'd try to wound first. Or maybe simply drawing would be the only warning.
I won't argue that. I most likely would kill her myself instead of the other squadmate. I added the other squadmate part in case Shepard wasn't fast enough the second time.
I would like to see how well Liara feels after killing Tali and then a short time later learn her homeworld is being destroyed. I'm sure that would send her over the edge. Garrus would most likely be really sad if he pulled the trigger killing Tali
I've never killed Wrex but if I were to, I'd want Shepard to do it himself. He can pull the trigger on anyone. It also means he doesn't let his underlings do the killing for him.
I've had Ashley, Shepard and C-Sec kill him
What I would've done is if Tali makes an attempt to stop Legion/gethvi from uploading the code, is have an interrupt pop up having Shepard stop her. Maybe shooting her in the arm or leg. While Tali is groaning from her wound, she makes another attempt to stop the geth from uploading and this time the other squadmate kills her. It would be interesting if the other squadmate is Liara or Garrus. If the interrupt is not used, Tali kills the geth. For an added bonus, if Tali and Shepard are in a relationship, Tali breaks it off since Shepard chose the geth.
If Shepard chooses the quarians, the scene plays out the same as what is seen in the game
Same, but I'd have included a 2nd interrupt to put a bullet in her head personally. You can do the same with Legion/VI, so there's no need to candy coat it for Tali/Raan by forcing it to be done by a squadmate. You should be given the opportunity to own your decision.
I'd go so far as to make it mandatory for Shepard to take the 2nd shot if bringing Garrus, Kaidan or Ashley along and the quarian is Tali. None of them have any love for the geth but do like her. Possibly Liara as well, though she isn't as clearly anti-geth.
Same, but I'd have included a 2nd interrupt to put a bullet in her head personally. You can do the same with Legion/VI, so there's no need to candy coat it for Tali/Raan by forcing it to be done by a squadmate. You should be given the opportunity to own your decision.
I'd go so far as to make it mandatory for Shepard to take the 2nd shot if bringing Garrus, Kaidan or Ashley along and the quarian is Tali. None of them have any love for the geth but do like her. Possibly Liara as well, though she isn't as clearly anti-geth.
That can work too. Unfortunately the writers gave us the scene we currently see in the game.
I really wish there was an option to get rid of Liara.
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You are entitled to your opinion and I don't criticize you for it.
But man does my blood boil when the game itself tries to pull this ****. Why is it so awful when it's an asari? What is so damn pristine or pure about them, compared to the rest of organics?
Again, not aimed at you specifically, it's just that the sentiment itself makes me want to punch puppies. And kitties. And babies. Preferably at the same time.
Regarding the Tali/Raan suicide scenario I agree with Vazgen. Being suicidal now does not mean you were suicidal even ten minutes ago. It's the Despair Event Horizon. But I can see QMR's point as well. Faced with the very possible extinction of your species, you should do something, even at your own peril.
Hey man, leave kittens and puppies out of it. 
But yeah.. I don't get this either.
The thing I like about Mass Effect is how all our decisions have such an impact on the ending. Even the rachni decision in ME1 has a huge impact on the final battle.
Before the release of Citadel DLC, anyone.
But now, Lol. Everyone gets lots of content that are missed even if you have only one person killed. Especially Wrex. Hell, he even becomes a Temporary Squadmate on this DLC.
But killing someone, just Ashley (on Virmire, ofc). Boring character, IMO.
Before the release of Citadel DLC, anyone.
But now, Lol. Everyone gets lots of content that are missed even if you have only one person killed. Especially Wrex. Hell, he even becomes a Temporary Squadmate on this DLC.
But killing someone, just Ashley (on Virmire, ofc). Boring character, IMO.
Ha! I am about to have the smallest party ever, if I ever get around to it. Only Mordin, Legion, Tali and Garrus survived the SM, and Wrex died in ME1. Talk about about an intimate gathering.
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Ha! I am about to have the smallest party ever, if I ever get around to it. Only Mordin, Legion, Tali and Garrus survived the SM, and Wrex died in ME1. Talk about about an intimate gathering.
That sucks though. That's like one of those depressing parties for like the biggest geeks in college or something. Two people by the punch bowl. One guy on the couch watching TV.
I've done the Citadel dlc with the fewest characters possible. Even loved the group photo
I've done the Citadel dlc with the fewest characters possible. Even loved the group photo
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lol, Shepard seems awfully proper while Liara was all badass posturing
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Those empty parties make Vega look funny. Like he farted and everyone wants him to stand him in the back.
ME1: I normally kill Kaidan on Virmire, I just don't care for him
ME2: I killed most squadmates during my "incompetent Shepard" run. On any other playthrough, I wanted everyone to survive
ME3: EDI usually dies because Shepard is shooting the tube, Tali sometimes jumps off the cliff, and Mordin 
The thing I like about Mass Effect is how all our decisions have such an impact on the ending. Even the rachni decision in ME1 has a huge impact on the final battle.
I believe I haven't told yet, but for some reason I absolutely love your negativity/sarcasm 
Above I posted a video showing a group photo with the least amount of characters possible. That photo can also happen if everyone else is alive. Just don't invite them to the party. The ones that will show up to the party no matter what will be Steve, Liara, edi, Joker, Samantha and James
I just finished my ME3 game where Tali died at the Collector Base. I missed her a lot, so she's never dying again. Jacob also died in ME2 and I didn't miss him at all. Kinda liked the Gellix mission better without him there.
I've never killed Wrex in either 1 or 3, and I've never shot Mordin. Don't plan on doing either, though killing Wrex in 1 is at least something I would consider doing.
"All right, listen. Shepard's an infiltrator: part woman, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyper-alloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled. Fully armored; very tough. But outside, it's living human tissue: flesh, skin, hair, blood - grown for the cyborg.
Shepard is out there. She can't be bargained with. She can't be reasoned with. She doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
Everyone is expendable. 
Oh, the greater good.
Samwell says it best in S5,Ep.8 of GoT: "Sometimes, the right thing isn't what everyone else thinks is good or seems good at first."
I'm a big proponent for the greater good.
The greater good.
For the Greater Good.
The slogan of Gellert Grindlewald.
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