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[txgoldrush]

The Witcher 3 absolutely destroys Dragon Age Inquisition in so many ways....from its main plot, to its quest design, to its gameplay design, to its writing, to its world, etc. But one thing, one huge thing that CD Projeckt absolutely gets RIGHT and Bioware usually (not always, Mass Effect got better as the series went along) gets WRONG is in showing, not just telling.

 

Lets give an example. The strife in Orlais vs The strife in Novigrad. Plight of elves and mages....easy comparison.

 

In Orlais, we hear about the plight of the mages and the elves. Its talked about, but does DAI really show what is going on? Nope. You just have to accept it and factor it into that absolutely dreadful palace party mission, so you can make a decision that you will never really experience other than the game just telling you what happened. People want to talk about it, but the game simply put, does not want to show it while it rushes to the next plot point of all tell, very little show. So I don't care about Briana and her plight. 

 

In Novigrad however, soon as I enter an outlying village outside the walls, I see witch hunters barging into a mage's home and threatening to burn out the mage and his family. Geralt caused dismemberment of those witch hunters later, I walk into town and see a mage and a doppler burned to the stake and looters outside Triss's house. Anti-mage propaganda everywhere and then walked upon a racial attack on a she elf, and a revenge attack on a human, where I can intervene. So I surely care about Triss and her plight, beautifully done in multiple quests instead of rushing things. Nevermind, the party mission in that game...Triss kiss. But then I saved the mages with Triss....well those Redenians turn to non-humans now and you see non-humans impaled and lynched everywhere because the game wants you to see the outcome of your choices, not just tell you about them.

 

And thats the problem with DAI. Its one big lore snore with talking codex entries as characters, with some memorable characters and stories, but the little show all tell nature of the game dampens them. The Witcher 3 on the other hand, wants you to immerse yourself in the storytelling. DAI just wants to shove lore down your throat while telling a cliched bare bones plot while the party members banter. Hell DAI is even WORSE than DAO (outside the origin stories, terrible as well) and DA2 (actually pretty decent) on not showing, but just telling.

 

And that is how The Witcher 3 truly bests DAI.

[SnakeCode]

There's already a thread for this.

[DrBlingzle]

We now need a take-a-shot game for these threads.

[txgoldrush]

There's already a thread for this.

Not on this specifically.....try again.

 

Nevermind I have been saying that Bioware sucks at showing things instead of just talking about them many times now. Which is what the thread is about.

[TheOgre]

Your other thread in scuttlebut got locked. I thought we informed you in that thread there was a specific thread that had tw3 related feedback for bioware to consider. Going to request this thread get locked too.

http://forum.bioware...g-tw3-spoilers/

[txgoldrush]

Your other thread in scuttlebut got locked. I thought we informed you in that thread there was a specific thread that had tw3 related feedback for bioware to consider. Going to request this thread get locked too.

http://forum.bioware...g-tw3-spoilers/

Than why is there TWO other  witcher threads?...why can't we have three? Look at the forums again.

 

 

So take a hint.

 

The other thread is about generally, being more like The Witcher 3, this thread is about specifically showing, not just telling, using TW3 as a comparison, so get off your high horse.

[Grieving Natashina]

Your other thread in scuttlebut got locked. I thought we informed you in that thread there was a specific thread that had tw3 related feedback for bioware to consider. Going to request this thread get locked too.

http://forum.bioware...g-tw3-spoilers/

Call this an honorary like.

[BraveVesperia]

We now need a take-a-shot game for these threads.

Nooo, I can't go into work drunk!

[TheOgre]

What I find interesting is the title. Some people obviously prefer the dai method or else it wouldn't be so defended here on the forum. I like what tw3 has done but there are also elements I would love to see in tw3 from dai. Their way of telling the story, not so much. But that's an opinion AS WELL AS your glaringly dramatic thread title.

[txgoldrush]

What I find interesting is the title. Some people obviously prefer the dai method or else it wouldn't be so defended here on the forum. I like what tw3 has done but there are also elements I would love to see in tw3 from dai. Their way of telling the story, not so much. But that's an opinion AS WELL AS your glaringly dramatic thread title.

I don't think very many people will defend little show, all tell method. In fact is very well looked down upon. And really, this problem has nothing to do with Bioware formula or common features of Bioware games, but with direction.

 

And DAI's very rushed plotline is very commonly criticized even in many reviews, such as IGN's.

[DrBlingzle]

Nooo, I can't go into work drunk!

Oh please, from all the shots I've taken for the "female companions are uuuugggglyyyyyy" threads, I won't be sober until 2019.

[Sasie]

People seem to love to bring up every single area where Witcher 3 beats Dragon Age without mentioning all the things Inquisition does well that Witcher 3 barely attempts to do at all. Customization, loot, leveling and character creation already been brought up a bit so how about simple save import? 

People may say Bioware doesn't do nearly enough and save import only change minor characters and encounters but Witcher 3 barely even manage that. On top of that Witcher 3 goes as far as to do the Mass effect ambassador/counsellor thing but with the main character's love interest/romance between the game. Imagine the outcry if Bioware ever done anything close to the Triss/Yennefer thing in one of their games.

[Teddie Sage]

We now need a take-a-shot game for these threads.

Drinkquisition's Thread is good for that.

[Teddie Sage]

Dear Witcher 3 fans,

Use the damn other thread that's already in use.

Thanks,
The rest of the world.

[daveliam]

This 'topic' could easily fit within BOTH of the existing TW3 threads. Outside of blatant trolling, there's absolutely no reason for creating yet another TW3 thread, especially just after having your last thread locked for this very reason.

[Ashelsu]

Because it is much easier to create pee-contest thread than participate in mature discussion...

 

Isn't it "You are wrong" guy from Mass Effect forums?

[Torgette]

The Witcher 3 absolutely destroys Dragon Age Inquisition in so many ways....from its main plot, to its quest design, to its gameplay design, to its writing, to its world, etc. But one thing, one huge thing that CD Projeckt absolutely gets RIGHT and Bioware usually (not always, Mass Effect got better as the series went along) gets WRONG is in showing, not just telling.

 

Lets give an example. The strife in Orlais vs The strife in Novigrad. Plight of elves and mages....easy comparison.

 

In Orlais, we hear about the plight of the mages and the elves. Its talked about, but does DAI really show what is going on? Nope. You just have to accept it and factor it into that absolutely dreadful palace party mission, so you can make a decision that you will never really experience other than the game just telling you what happened. People want to talk about it, but the game simply put, does not want to show it while it rushes to the next plot point of all tell, very little show. So I don't care about Briana and her plight. 

 

In Novigrad however, soon as I enter an outlying village outside the walls, I see witch hunters barging into a mage's home and threatening to burn out the mage and his family. Geralt caused dismemberment of those witch hunters later, I walk into town and see a mage and a doppler burned to the stake and looters outside Triss's house. Anti-mage propaganda everywhere and then walked upon a racial attack on a she elf, and a revenge attack on a human, where I can intervene. So I surely care about Triss and her plight, beautifully done in multiple quests instead of rushing things. Nevermind, the party mission in that game...Triss kiss. But then I saved the mages with Triss....well those Redenians turn to non-humans now and you see non-humans impaled and lynched everywhere because the game wants you to see the outcome of your choices, not just tell you about them.

 

And thats the problem with DAI. Its one big lore snore with talking codex entries as characters, with some memorable characters and stories, but the little show all tell nature of the game dampens them. The Witcher 3 on the other hand, wants you to immerse yourself in the storytelling. DAI just wants to shove lore down your throat while telling a cliched bare bones plot while the party members banter. Hell DAI is even WORSE than DAO (outside the origin stories, terrible as well) and DA2 (actually pretty decent) on not showing, but just telling.

 

And that is how The Witcher 3 truly bests DAI.

 

I agree with a lot of what you said but people aren't going to discuss it here, why not move it over to the main feedback thread?

[SardaukarElite]

We now need a take-a-shot game for these threads.

 

I'm in.

[correctamundo]

Ughh, this person is taking all the fun out of TW3 his/her threads but they sure make good drinkquisiton material.

[lynroy]

We now need a take-a-shot game for these threads.

You don't already?

 

I'm in.

I brought shots.

[DSiKn355]

I think DAI fans are sick of the comparisons by now and just can't handle discussing it maturely because they know they will have to admit the failings of DAI so they prefer to stick their heads in the sand and say it's immature to compare in the first place.

 

But isn't it more mature to leave a violent spouse rather than make excuse such as "but he is good with the kids" and stay?

 

Admit what is wrong and moving on shouldn't really be that had.

 

Yes DAI has CC which is a plus for "putting yourself" in the game if your look and race is even there lol.

 

But a 6hr story is just terrible no matter what excuse you want to make.

100's of side quests which are unrelated to the main quest again is terrible as you feel what you are doing serves no real purpose and has no effect on the story of the game.

 

Witcher 3's Wild hunt king was awful, probably worse than Corypheous as he hardly had two sentences and was just a generic villain.

But how the side quests linked to main quests and how decisions made during side quests mattered in the long run made up overall for this one failing.

 

Both games have good and bad points it's just that DAI has more negatives than positives overall.

[KaiserShep]

We now need a take-a-shot game for these threads.

 

My liver is sturdy, but not that sturdy.

[KaiserShep]

Not on this specifically.....try again.

 

Nevermind I have been saying that Bioware sucks at showing things instead of just talking about them many times now. Which is what the thread is about.

 

Sure, but it just seems like you wanted your long critique to be the OP rather than have it contribute to a "master thread" on this subject, since it seems like everything you say would be pertinent to that one.

[daveliam]

I think DAI fans are sick of the comparisons by now and just can't handle discussing it maturely because they know they will have to admit the failings of DAI so they prefer to stick their heads in the sand and say it's immature to compare in the first place.

 

But isn't it more mature to leave a violent spouse rather than make excuse such as "but he is good with the kids" and stay?

 

Admit what is wrong and moving on shouldn't really be that had.

 

Yes DAI has CC which is a plus for "putting yourself" in the game if your look and race is even there lol.

 

But a 6hr story is just terrible no matter what excuse you want to make.

100's of side quests which are unrelated to the main quest again is terrible as you feel what you are doing serves no real purpose and has no effect on the story of the game.

 

Witcher 3's Wild hunt king was awful, probably worse than Corypheous as he hardly had two sentences and was just a generic villain.

But how the side quests linked to main quests and how decisions made during side quests mattered in the long run made up overall for this one failing.

 

Both games have good and bad points it's just that DAI has more negatives than positives overall.

 

I don't think that this is what's going on here, though.  Sure, there are some members of the fandom who refuse to admit any failings for DA: I.  But, let's be honest, they are the minority.  Most of the people on the boards love DA and have opinions of DA: I ranging from "love while recognizing the shortcomings" through "dislike".

 

The issue here is that this particular OP is purposefully caustic in his wording ("TW3 humiliates DA: I), which tends to rile people up.  Plus, he just had a thread where he did this exact thing (about a slightly different comparison) that got locked by the mods the other day specifically because they want the comparison discussion to live in one of the already existing TW3 threads.  A fact that the OP is well aware of.

 

Most people are totally fine with mature, critical discussion.  They just don't want to see the board flooded with bait-click thread titles and numerous threads on the same thing. 

[Steelcan]

taking a break from mindless droning txgoldrush?