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[Dai Grepher]

Personality didn't work for Hawke, and Hawke only had three different ones.

 

Then that means the Hero's settings should be more defined and have more options.

[Dai Grepher]

How many games do you think the series has left without the Warden? Three? Four?

 

None.

 

Meaning, the next game should feature the Hero.

[Eelectrica]

Rocks keep falling on my head....

[Dai Grepher]

It didn't work for Hawke, and s/he was much more defined than the Warden.

What is your criteria for a "proper ending" and why do you think others share it?

 

Actually the Hero was more defined. Wise, Cocky, Mystical, Experienced, etc. More than three responses most of the time. And the Keep would have numerous options for the Hero to set philosophies, moral direction, and relationships.

 

My criteria is a list of endings that the Hero can stick to and the player can be happy with. In my case, the Hero King would rule with Queen Anora for many years, and see Ferelden prosper like never before. The King rides out to face any threat directly with the Silver Order and other soldiers while the Queen organizes and commands with the nobles.

 

Someone else's ending might be that the Hero stays with Leliana as her companion, even if she is made Divine.

 

Or a mage Hero might settle in with Morrigan and Kieran, or even establish himself in Kinloch Hold as First Enchanter, where the family will continue to research magic and perhaps expand their understanding and power.

 

Or a Dalish Hero might go out in search of elven artifacts, or use the title of Warden-Commander to turn Soldier's Peak into elven strongholds that accommodate elven people and their lore and magic.

 

But I think in all endings, the cure should be available for use. Whether a Hero uses it or not is up to the player. Maybe the Hero wants to die a Warden the old fashioned way. Or maybe a Hero gained the Power of Blood and will live for ages like Avernus did.

 

And yes, I realize this would mean those Heroes would return in later games as well, even if they take place many years after the Dragon Age. But this prospect was created back in Origins. The genie is already out of the bottle on that plot element.

[Kakistos_]

The open ended conclusion for the HOF already has a solution highlighted in Awakenings. If the Hero lives, he or she becomes the Warden Commander of Ferelden. If the Hero dies then an Orlesian Warden becomes the Warden Commander of Ferelden. The question is not 'will the HOF come back and have a voice?' it is 'will the Warden Commander of Ferelden come back and have a voice?'. I imagine that this situation will be handled similarly to the Warden Companion in Inquisition: Alistair, Stroud or Logain.

 

As for character definition, I agree that Hawke in Inquisition left much to be desired, but there were options in the Keep that we could use for define him/her. I propose that for the next DA game that these options for both Hawke and the Warden in the Keep be expanded: Pro/anti Blood Magic, more personality types, etc.
 

[Aren]

Some wardens are dead, do you suggest necromancy?

[raging_monkey]

I'll say this as a HOF lover And hawke lover "be careful what you wish for" cause they could end up being antagonists later on

[AresKeith]

I'll say this as a HOF lover And hawke lover "be careful what you wish for" cause they could end up being antagonists later on

 

*Prototype 2 flashbacks*

[In Exile]

I'll say this as a HOF lover And hawke lover "be careful what you wish for" cause they could end up being antagonists later on

 

I was always a fan of the idea that either of Corypheus or the Architect would wear the HOF as a meatsuit. But, of course, I'd be ostracized from the fanbase forever if they did it. 

[KaiserShep]

I was always a fan of the idea that either of Corypheus or the Architect would wear the HOF as a meatsuit. But, of course, I'd be ostracized from the fanbase forever if they did it.

I'm super conflicted. I would laugh because it would light the forum on fire, but I'd be mad at the same time. So this is what heroism feels like.

[raging_monkey]

*Prototype 2 flashbacks*

don't remind me... it had a good ending didn't need a sequel

[raging_monkey]

I was always a fan of the idea that either of Corypheus or the Architect would wear the HOF as a meatsuit. But, of course, I'd be ostracized from the fanbase forever if they did it.

I took a leap And sided with archi how bad could it be

[AresKeith]

don't remind me... it had a good ending didn't need a sequel

 

I actually liked Prototype 2, I just didn't like how they made Alex an antagonist 

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Then that means the Hero's settings should be more defined and have more options.

 

And you think Bioware is going to waste their time making all these different options?

 

What if you played a racist Elf who hates human?

What if you played a traditonal Dwarf who thinks surfacer dwarfs suck?

What if you played a stuck-up human noble?

What if you played a  mage with the keeper spec?

What if you played a warrior who dual wields?

[KaiserShep]

And you think Bioware is going to waste their time making all these different options?

 

What if you played a racist Elf who hates human?

What if you played a traditonal Dwarf who thinks surfacer dwarfs suck?

What if you played a stuck-up human noble?

What if you played a  mage with the keeper spec?

What if you played a warrior who dual wields?

 

Don't forget my favorite one: were you an Orlesian version of all of the above? 

[dsl08002]

I have only to say this for the moment the Hero isnt coming back BUT....

MUCH can change over the next upcoming years to DA4 or DA5 for that matter.

[Orian Tabris]

My reaction to reading that thread title:

 

 

Your explanation of why they should be voiced makes no sense. Dragon Age and Fallout/The Elder Scrolls have different fans. What might be good for one franchise won't necessarily be good for another.

 

BioWare is never gonna give the Hero of Ferelden a voice, and quite frankly, it's time to move on. As it says somewhere behind Moss, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[BraveVesperia]

If they were going to bring the Warden back for a story, a dlc is the only way I could see it happening. That way, people could take it or leave it, but it wouldn't spoil their enjoyment of a main game.

 

I can't see them brining HoF back as an npc, since there's too many variables. Hawke disliking blood magic and Wardens was already a liberty too far for various fans. Though it doesn't help that Hawke's personality was basically the same in DAI, regardless of the diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive thing.

 

There's no way they'd have the HoF as the sole protag of a DAI dlc though, because where would that leave Inky? Not featuring at all - in a dlc of their own game? So you'd have to have them as dual protags, in the same story but following different paths. At most they'd have a couple of cutscenes together (with someone more talkative driving the conversation). That would have to alterate between two different dialogue wheels for the Inky/HoF responses. Seems rather complicated.

[Heimdall]

I actually liked Prototype 2, I just didn't like how they made Alex an antagonist

Meaning the way he just became stupid evil? I liked the gameplay, but it felt like whoever was in charge of the story lost IQ points between games.

[Heimdall]

Actually the Hero was more defined. Wise, Cocky, Mystical, Experienced, etc. More than three responses most of the time. And the Keep would have numerous options for the Hero to set philosophies, moral direction, and relationships.
 
My criteria is a list of endings that the Hero can stick to and the player can be happy with. In my case, the Hero King would rule with Queen Anora for many years, and see Ferelden prosper like never before. The King rides out to face any threat directly with the Silver Order and other soldiers while the Queen organizes and commands with the nobles.
 
Someone else's ending might be that the Hero stays with Leliana as her companion, even if she is made Divine.
 
Or a mage Hero might settle in with Morrigan and Kieran, or even establish himself in Kinloch Hold as First Enchanter, where the family will continue to research magic and perhaps expand their understanding and power.
 
Or a Dalish Hero might go out in search of elven artifacts, or use the title of Warden-Commander to turn Soldier's Peak into elven strongholds that accommodate elven people and their lore and magic.
 
But I think in all endings, the cure should be available for use. Whether a Hero uses it or not is up to the player. Maybe the Hero wants to die a Warden the old fashioned way. Or maybe a Hero gained the Power of Blood and will live for ages like Avernus did.
 
And yes, I realize this would mean those Heroes would return in later games as well, even if they take place many years after the Dragon Age. But this prospect was created back in Origins. The genie is already out of the bottle on that plot element.

Having more options makes it less defined, and only makes it more difficult to implement. Hawke was the easier one to bring back, and they still managed to mess that up.

Okay, why do you need Bioware to spell these things out for you? Why can't you imagine that's what happens after s/he finds the cure anyway?

[dsl08002]

Having more options makes it less defined, and only makes it more difficult to implement. Hawke was the easier one to bring back, and they still managed to mess that up.

Okay, why do you need Bioware to spell these things out for you? Why can't you imagine that's what happens after s/he finds the cure anyway?

I disagree about Hawke, I think it was a good try on the right road.

[Ranadiel Marius]

I was always a fan of the idea that either of Corypheus or the Architect would wear the HOF as a meatsuit. But, of course, I'd be ostracized from the fanbase forever if they did it.

I'll buy you a beer if that happens. Two beers if they make it so that the Architect only talks about his new meat suit being the Warden if you murdered him. The entertainment from all the rage threads would be so worth it!

[Beomer]

The thread makes no sense. They always had the option of bringing back the Warden as a voiced character regardless of what Bethesda might do or not do with Fallout 4. They just chose not to because of the numerous choices and potential changes they could have made for the Warden and his/ her situation after DAO and DAA.

Furthermore, a new character who has voice to begin with and a giving voice to a previously silent protagonist are two different things. People already imagine their Warden to sound a certain way. Not everyone will compromise with that.

[Aren]

I'll say this as a HOF lover And hawke lover "be careful what you wish for" cause they could end up being antagonists later on

Actually this is something that i would have expected for the Warden and the DR for Inquisition,in the moment that i have realized that Corypheus was the main antagonist i was like,sure he will mind control   the Warden and if Urthemiel still exist he will go to him and become a god.

 

I was always a fan of the idea that either of Corypheus or the Architect would wear the HOF as a meatsuit. But, of course, I'd be ostracized from the fanbase forever if they did it. 

Yea we already know that you  are one of the players that despise the warden for being just an awesome murderer and nothing more.

 

I took a leap And sided with archi how bad could it be

Well too bad that Loghain has already take care of him, they were both beyond salvation for my warden,worst creature ever destroyed by the worst human being ever.

[raging_monkey]

good for you aren