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It's just needlessly screwing some fans over... and for what? I don't understand. Is it some kind of petty "revenge" for the people who didn't have Ash/Kaidan in ME2? lol. I mean, I don't know. If that's the case, it's stupid to do that at the tail end of the series. At least you always knew Ash/Kaidan would come back, and that ME2 wasn't the last game. Besides, you don't correct a wrong by wronging someone else completely unrelated.

Doesn't this just mean that it's a mistake to think of Bio's decision here as "wronging" or "screwing over" anyone? When an idea doesn't make sense, I generally figure there might be a problem with the idea.

Why can't it be just as simple as Bio not wanting to spend the resources there? You can't ever do everything you'd like to do.

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I like her line if you don't encourage them to date (the Mary Shelley one). That makes me think about the nature of AI and what their place in the world is.... than that other silliness.



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Doesn't this just mean that it's a mistake to think of Bio's decision here as "wronging" or "screwing over" anyone? When an idea doesn't make sense, I generally figure there might be a problem with the idea.

Why can't it be just as simple as Bio not wanting to spend the resources there? You can't ever do everything you'd like to do.

 

I didn't say that was their decision. I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm only wondering if it really comes down to something petty like that.

 

Miranda fans aren't going to like me saying this, but her story just doesn't flow very well unless she dies. And it could be rectified with Cronos. Even Jack has good excuses for not being around... along with others... but Miranda's role breaks down around this. Which is a damn shame.

 

Maybe it doesn't matter though. Even if the flow sucks, people are going insist on her staying alive anyways. I don't blame them.



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How many people picked synthesis so joker and the edibot can be happy?

If the EDI-bot predates Synthesis, why does that matter? Unless you're saying that Bio wrote Synthesis because of EDI? I suppose it's conceivable.

Joker seems more interested talking with the thing after it became a platform. He wants to bake a cake, right? Would he of said that if it stayed as a hologram? Would he of mentioned to Shepard in purgatory there's no regulation saying he can't date the ship's ai?

Talking about Joker's interests is silly. He's, you know, a fictional character. He has stuff to say when the writers think it would be interesting for him to say something. You surely don't think they couldn't have found stuff for him to talk about in ME3 if they hadn't gone this route?

Actually, I have no idea what your point is here -- besides advancing your usual anti-EDI agenda, of course.

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I think it boils down to the countless "could be dead" variables that ME2's ending unwisely thrust upon ME3. Nothing more.

Had Miranda been given 100% plot armor instead of the 80% or so that she's given, she'd probably be on Cronos.

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I didn't say that was their decision. I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm only wondering if it really comes down to something petty like that.


My point was that you made it sound like the idea was silly. It certainly sounds silly to me. Why not try the non-silly hypotheses first? I don't see how you even got to pettiness.

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My point was that you made it sound like the idea was silly. It certainly sounds silly to me. Why not try the non-silly hypotheses first? I don't see how you even got to pettiness.

 

I don't know what you're talking about now. "Non-silly hypotheses"?

 

Sounds like work. 

 

 

It's just a thought. I've run across players from time to time who thought it was a fair deal, since they didn't get their "waifu" in ME2. It makes me wonder if Bioware is actually catering to this type of thinking. Because this is the only time I've seen it defended. 



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I think it boils down to the countless "could be dead" variables that ME2's ending unwisely thrust upon ME3. Nothing more.Had Miranda been given 100% plot armor instead of the 80% or so that she's given, she'd probably be on Cronos.


This, plus an understandable unwillingness to extend any favoritism to Miranda in particular over the other surviving ME2 squadmates.

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Actually, I have no idea what your point is here -- besides advancing your usual anti-EDI agenda, of course.

Actually I have no idea why you even quoted me besides advancing your own agenda by saying I don't like the edibot, of course



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I definitely prefer the way most of the ME2 squadmates were handled in ME3 to the way Liara and, especially, the VS were handled in ME2.

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I don't know what you're talking about now. "Non-silly hypotheses"?
 
Sounds like work.


I gave one to you. They just didn't think it was worth the zots.

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I gave one to you. They just didn't think it was worth the zots.

 

What are zots?

 

It obviously was worth it to them in the end.. since they went back, saw where they missed touching on the right notes with things, and made Citadel DLC. 



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Actually I have no idea why you even quoted me besides advancing your own agenda by saying I don't like the edibot, of course


Really? You did read the rest of my post, right? I pointed out that of your two hypotheses, one would require the effect to precede the cause, and the other has a cause that is unnecessary to produce the effect.

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What are zots?


Business nomenclature for resource units. Covers man hours, physical dollars, etc.

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Really? You did read the rest of my post, right? I pointed out that of your two hypotheses, one would require the effect to precede the cause, and the other has a cause that is unnecessary to produce the effect.

I read your post. But you still had to throw in that comment about the anti-edi crap for no reason



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Business nomenclature for resource units. Covers man hours, physical dollars, etc.

 

Learn something new every day. Thanks

 

But yeah, I think I heard Casey saying (in a panel) they got a little bunkered down and lost track on some of these things. That's his excuse at least. I think it was worth it to them in the end..... and they even enjoyed doing it.



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How many people picked synthesis so joker and the edibot can be happy?
 
Joker seems more interested  talking with the thing after it became a platform. He wants to bake a cake, right? Would he of said that if it stayed as a hologram? Would he of mentioned to Shepard in purgatory there's no regulation saying he can't date the ship's ai?

 

Joker obviously wanted to bone the sexbot. He went from normal Joker to a bumbling teenager after EDI was a busty sexbot.


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It's a way of physically interacting with his digital crush. Of course he's excited about that.

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I don't even know how he physically interacts. I don't want to get too lurid, but she doesn't have the right parts. In the end, it just seems like a meeting of minds rather than sex. So it's stupid to emphasize all this stuff as the basis for the relationship.

 

Unless I'm missing something....and she has more capabilities than meets the eye.



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What are zots?

We've been using that term on this board since Gaider introduced it, though I think it's originally a b-school thing. "Zot" is an abstraction of the effort needed to produce something. Man-hours, time, money, etc. It's a more useful term than just reducing everything to money because sometimes the limiting factor of production is time, or talent, or sonething else. Even thoughall these things can be traded off for each other, sometime you get killed on the transaction costs.

It obviously was worth it to them in the end.. since they went back, saw where they missed touching on the right notes with things, and made Citadel DLC.

Are we maybe talking about different "it"s here? I thought we were talking about putting Miranda (and others) onto the Normandy for Cronos and after.

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I don't even know how he physically interacts. I don't want to get too lurid, but she doesn't have the right parts. In the end, it just seems like a meeting of minds rather than sex. So it's stupid to emphasize all this stuff as the basis for the relationship.
 
Unless I'm missing something....and she has more capabilities than meets the eye.


The robot in Ex Machina was built with anatomical pleasure devices. Eva Core was designed for human infiltration.

I'd bank on there being more than meets the eye.
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Are we maybe talking about different "it"s here? I thought we were talking about putting Miranda (and others) onto the Normandy for Cronos and after.

 

It's the same thing to me. People just need the right cathartic/emotional notes for their story. Cronos is only relevant because it's a missed opportunity.



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Miranda was also a high-ranking operative for Cerberus, folks. Fans of hers tend to forget about the reputation that the organization has, and how that would impact her place on the Alliance-led Normandy.

About the same as the anti-Cerberus, nigh-psychotic convict we were forced to recruit in ME2 I'd wager.

 

Though probably less since Miranda is neither (seemingly) psychotic, nor expresses her desire to annihilate anything with the Alliance logo on it every five minutes.

 

I think it boils down to the countless "could be dead" variables that ME2's ending unwisely thrust upon ME3. Nothing more.

Had Miranda been given 100% plot armor instead of the 80% or so that she's given, she'd probably be on Cronos.

This, plus an understandable unwillingness to extend any favoritism to Miranda in particular over the other surviving ME2 squadmates.

Hmm, funny how none of this stopped Mordin or Legion from having the roles they deserved.

 

"Could be dead" was a dumb move, granted. But it excuses precisely dick when it comes to sidelining characters in the final game of the trilogy.

 

I don't even know how he physically interacts. I don't want to get too lurid, but she doesn't have the right parts. In the end, it just seems like a meeting of minds rather than sex. So it's stupid to emphasize all this stuff as the basis for the relationship.

 

Unless I'm missing something....and she has more capabilities than meets the eye.

An infiltration unit with obvious "assets" and named after TIM's dead girlfriend?

 

Frankly I'm surprised TIM can even make eye contact with people anymore.



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An infiltration unit with obvious "assets" and named after TIM's dead girlfriend?

 

Frankly I'm surprised TIM can even make eye contact with people anymore.

 

She's not his girlfriend. If I recall, she had a thing for Ben Hislop, their mutual pal. He even has some lines teasing Ben about it or something.

 

I think TIM has all kinds of women, if those Shadow Broker reports are any indication.



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I think it boils down to the countless "could be dead" variables that ME2's ending unwisely thrust upon ME3. Nothing more.

Had Miranda been given 100% plot armor instead of the 80% or so that she's given, she'd probably be on Cronos.

 

ME2 was also criticized for the lack of interaction between companions. BioWare to their credit responded to this but all those interactions like Liara and Garrus reminiscing in the lounge are easier to do with a smaller or as BioWare put it more "intimate" party.