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We had the chance to talk to Patrick Weekes, current lead writer for the Dragon Age franchise. 

Here are the lives tweets of the 3 hour interview, it will all be uploaded eventually....TONS of stuff to do-

Hopefully this wets your whistles for a while. 
 

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes "Iron Bull began before I arrived, the idea was "The complete opposite of Sten"

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes Writing Iron Bull is analogies to watching Prime time football

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes Iron Bull shipped the closest to how I originally imagined him

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes @RealFPJr gave Iron Bull that slight hint of culture, completed changed the character

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: @Mike_Laidlaw and Patrick at lunch talking about the Iron Bull being romanced able- Mike said, "...REALLY"

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes when researching Iron Bulls sexuality he talked to members of the BDSM community

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes our goal is to give the players the type of fantasy fulfillment they want Re-Iron Bull

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes staged the BDSM sex with @eplerjc in @dragonage before it's creation, respectfully

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes on the Iron Bull Dorian romance, how it happened

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes every character pairing had a "razor" overall flavor of character relationships

 

#BiowareTalk: The romance was discovered when @davidgaider and @PatrickWeekes role played the characters bantering- then kissing....

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: His Iron Bull canon end, Chargers are alive, he's an exile, and "Slapping the Inquisitors ass forever"

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Iron Bull is the lense to understand the Qun, through the opposite of Sten

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes On going to the land of the Qunari "100% confirmed".....Well no but he wants to.

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes now on #Krem voiced by the incredible @jhaletweets

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes originally Krem was suppose to be Tevinter just to show that Iron Bull would take anybody

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes Krem's name was originally intended to be called RED SHIRT visa-vi #StarTrek

 

PAX LGBT Pannel "The only time I have seen transcharacter is when they are made into monsters are jokes" @PatrickWeekes listen with #Krem

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Creation of #Krem by @Bioware was one of the most inspiring things Patrick had ever seen in gaming

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes on choosing @jhaletweets to voice the trans-gender character #Krem in Inquisition

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: @jhaletweets REALLY focused on making sure her role of #Krem in Inquisition was authentic

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Outlines all the times he botched different sexual experiences with characters, learned from the expert

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Originally had Iron Bull "out" #Krem as trans, something the community...DID NOT like

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: "I'm really proud of #Krem, just as surely there are things I'm gonna do differently next time."

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Might have changed the Inquistor's response to #Krem talking about his gender, hard to nail

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: We would allow the character to be ignorant, NOT allow the character to be hateful #Krem

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: On the importance of teaching pro nouns in @dragonage in terms of #Krem

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: #Krem will NOT be the last intersex character we have in the @dragonage world

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: People that don't want trans-characters in their video games "I feel sorry for them, play something else"

 

#BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: "Large issue today with 'This isn't for me' to 'this is objectively wrong"

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Part 2

 

  1. #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Hawke might not be dead! Well obviously

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Here Lies the Abyss originally was suppose to be where you met, The Architect from DAI DLC

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: On what the Nightmare said to Solas in Here Lies the Abyss- What does it mean!

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: I do two types of villains, the villain that thinks she's the hero and the mean girl villain

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The quest line had FAR too many different character variables to deal with!! Different Hawkes,

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Now onto Here Lies the Abyss quest plot

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The story of Solas is NOT a happy one

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The moral perspective of the Solas and Inquisitor romance was supremely important to the story

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: On the Inquisitor + Solas romance and the amazing work of the gameplay designers

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Which he obviously can't say ANYTHING about or even confirm exists but still Wolf #DLC forever

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Now onto the Solas DLC.....

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Patrick wants to keep the thematic elements going in the next #DragonAge games

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The next @dragonage will not be @davidgaider next story, @PatrickWeekes respects his work TOOOO much

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: On where he wants to take the @dragonage franchise going forward

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The stinger means "Just in case you were wondering, we aren't DONE"

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: We had versions where you were present when Solas confront Mythal

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The Solas 'wink' at the end was something he really REALLY liked

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Slap the forehead on the second playthrough style of writing....on #Solas

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: We wanted most players not to know the secret that Solas had, EXCEPT on your second playthrough

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Solas COULD have been the Jack Nicholson screaming riddler of @dragonage

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: With Solas, "anyone who here's trickster god....makes the player think Loki in the Avengers"

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Established knowledge of the Dread Wolf didn't affect the characterization of Solas

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Solas approves of "People who are interested in finding out knowledge"

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Talking about the connections between a character like Mordin and Solas

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    @VGS_640 @PatrickWeekes thats right! Patrick and i are cultured gentlemen with fantastic calf muscles!

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Earlier version of Solas lied a lot more, weakened his character him and Blackwall Liars who don't lie

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Solas still works even WITHOUT the Dread wolf backing

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: First draft ALLL Solas ever talked about was "Elves Elves Elves"

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Solas went through more changes than any other character

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Everyone knew who Solas was, everyone knew how his story was going to end before he took it over

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  1. #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: To the fans on leading @dragonage "I was a fan before it shipped and I will do it justice"

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The Dragon age franchise is at it's best when it remember it's human

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: He likes the agent recruitment aspect, wants that feature to be pushed into the narrative somehow

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The next game will focus on what worked in surprising ways in Inquisition

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: We just did a game about building an empire, we probably won't do that again

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Finishing up! Any questions?

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: On Cole making the Inquisitor "forget" himself

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Cole absolutely KNEW what #Solas is and was and continues to be

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Patrick chose to make #Cole more spirit

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: The division between the human Cole vs the Spirit Cole, the difficulty

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: In an early version Cole was either, more Spirit or more Demon

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Writing for Cole realllllly affected Patrick, ruined his day because of the intensity

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    Tomorrow we release a video of the in engine footage, I feel like it's launch day all over again. Prepare to be surprised.... #BardsTale4

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Cole being a spirit of compassion informed all choice the character would make

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Cole started out with more powers and was "Zanier"

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    #BiowareTalk with @PatrickWeekes: Onto Cole and him picking up the reigns from @davidgaider


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So the Architect was gonna appear in DAI? 

 

That's interesting 


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Krem isn't an intersex character though.


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Once again confirming that The Iron Bull was lying about the Qun. He was designed to be the opposite of Sten and have a completely different perspective of the Qun than Sten. And Bull can become Tal-Vashoth, and he was suspected of being so by the Ben-Hassrath for years.

 

If transgenderism just HAS to be in the next game, then our characters should have the option to have any opinion of it that they wish. This is an RPG, not a sensitivity training course. Weeks should agree with this, because without the option to disapprove of it, the choice of being supportive has no significance. "Oh, you encouraged Caitlyn to be true to herself? Well so what? Everyone did. We had no choice in the matter." And telling players who object to play something else? Not really the point of making video games. I wonder what EA would say to that.

 

Hawke being alive makes sense, especially if a rogue with the decoy ability. But how does she survive in the Fade? Still sticking with my "Nightmare possesses the one who stayed behind" theory.

 

Also, Jack Nicholson played Joker, not Riddler.


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If transgenderism just HAS to be in the next game, then our characters should have the option to have any opinion of it that they wish. This is an RPG, not a sensitivity training course. Weeks should agree with this, because without the option to disapprove of it, the choice of being supportive has no significance. "Oh, you encouraged Caitlyn to be true to herself? Well so what? Everyone did. We had no choice in the matter." And telling players who object to play something else? Not really the point of making video games. I wonder what EA would say to that.

 

Well, that's fine, if you're perfectly okay with being called a bigot by the rest of the community.


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If transgenderism just HAS to be in the next game, then our characters should have the option to have any opinion of it that they wish. This is an RPG, not a sensitivity training course. Weeks should agree with this, because without the option to disapprove of it, the choice of being supportive has no significance. "Oh, you encouraged Caitlyn to be true to herself? Well so what? Everyone did. We had no choice in the matter." And telling players who object to play something else? Not really the point of making video games. I wonder what EA would say to that.

 

It's their game and they can do it their way


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If transgenderism just HAS to be in the next game, then our characters should have the option to have any opinion of it that they wish. This is an RPG, not a sensitivity training course. Weeks should agree with this, because without the option to disapprove of it, the choice of being supportive has no significance. "Oh, you encouraged Caitlyn to be true to herself? Well so what? Everyone did. We had no choice in the matter." And telling players who object to play something else? Not really the point of making video games. I wonder what EA would say to that.

If you want that, then they would also have to have options to be openly racist and sexist. We have enough of that in real life, seriously.

 

More importantly, those concepts don't really exist in Thedas anyway.


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Krem isn't an intersex character though.

I think they meant non-cismale/cisfemale, but since Twitter only allows so many characters they had to try to squeeze it in and made an oopsie. 



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If transgenderism just HAS to be in the next game, then our characters should have the option to have any opinion of it that they wish. This is an RPG, not a sensitivity training course. Weeks should agree with this, because without the option to disapprove of it, the choice of being supportive has no significance. "Oh, you encouraged Caitlyn to be true to herself? Well so what? Everyone did. We had no choice in the matter." And telling players who object to play something else? Not really the point of making video games. I wonder what EA would say to that.

 

But I guess the question is: to what end? At the most, I imagine some Gamlen-esque level criticism that doesn't really go anywhere. But unlike Gamlen, who can never really be challenged on some of the crappy things he says, is simply left to rot in his squalid hovel, here you'd have a full-on exchange, so it's not like your character would simply get to say "That's hella icky, mangirlwhatever" and not be challenged. The irony is that in doing so, you either create what you might construe as an even bigger soap box for the very thing you'd like to avoid, or validating the type of nonsense that some fool bloviating from under a circus tent might approve of. I suppose they could simply avoid this phantom hornets' nest by simply never including these characters, but I don't think that's a better option either. I think as is, the whole affair is pretty benign. I can't make a PC that likes to be a flaming racist toward the filthy knife-ears either, despite that actually being a thing in that universe.

 

As for the comment directed toward people who object, I'd say that it's a fairly reasonable response. The writers will do what they're keen on doing and a few objections here and there are not going to change that. It's sort of like how I imagine one might respond to the goofballs that call to boycott Mad Max because a feminist shat in their proverbial cornflakes. Just don't pay to see it. There. Problem solved. 


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And telling players who object to play something else? Not really the point of making video games. I wonder what EA would say to that.

 

BioWare's response to people who hate the progressive elements in their games has consistently been 'don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.' Which is as it should be. If people can't cope with the mere existence of trans characters without needing the option to insult and/or misgender them, they should indeed go play one of the literally thousands of games that don't have any trans characters.

 

I think EA are smart enough to realise that you can't appeal to all demographics simultaneously. BioWare's commitment to not being completely !@#$ on social justice issues sets them apart from other studios and helps with marketing. (I mean, I also think it's awesome, but even from a purely business perspective, it's a smart idea in 2015.)


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#BiowareTalk: The romance was discovered when @davidgaider and @PatrickWeekes role played the characters bantering- then kissing...


I'm not into that romance, but I would love to read/hear those sessions. I'm curious as to how it came about, how Dorian reacts to Bull in that manner, and so on, and how different it is to the Inquisitor romance.
 
From the various things I've read and seen it seems to me that the Adoribull pairing is (for Dorian) more about escapism, whereas the Inquisitor romance is more about healing (I could be totally wrong, but that's just my take on it). I also do NOT say this to mean that the Inquisitor romance is more "real," but rather that Dorian gets what he needs at the time from each of those specific romances.
 
At any rate, looking forward to seeing the whole interview.
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Well, that's fine, if you're perfectly okay with being called a bigot by the rest of the community.

 

The word has lost all meaning in recent history, but I was specifically referring to the in-game universe, not "the community".


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It's their game and they can do it their way

 

Even if it means less people buying the game? I think EA would say something very different actually.


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The word has lost all meaning in recent history, but I was specifically referring to the in-game universe, not "the community".

But how is this expressed through the game avatar without becoming a weird sort of validation of that viewpoint? The real problem, as Banshee points out, is that this isn't really something that other characters in any of the games have ever criticized. No one makes a fuss about same sex relationships and such, and no one gives Krem a hard time in the tavern. The Inquisitor getting up in arms about it would stand out like a sore thumb. 

 

Even if it means less people buying the game? I think EA would say something very different actually.

 

But then I could ask: would the people who avoid these games because of this outnumber the people who get drawn in because of it? 



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If you want that, than they would also have to have options to be openly racist and sexist. We have enough of that in real life, seriously.

 

More importantly, those concepts don't really exist in Thedas anyway.

 

I assume you mean skin color prejudice. Well that doesn't exist in Thedas, so no, that option would not be necessary. Though racism between humans, elves, dwarves, and qunari, that does exist. And in reality we've already had those dialog choices in previous games, such as the elf origin in DA:O. And while sexism doesn't really exist in Thedas, it does in Qunari culture. Well, unless you ask The Iron Bull, in which case you can simply change your gender through open declaration. :rolleyes:

 

I think instead of pandering to 1% of the population, most of which probably doesn't even play Dragon Age anyway, Weeks should focus on making good storylines for the series that up to 100% of players will find interesting and intriguing.


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Looks like some fun stuff. I look forward to the moment it gets uploaded.
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But I guess the question is: to what end? At the most, I imagine some Gamlen-esque level criticism that doesn't really go anywhere. But unlike Gamlen, who can never really be challenged on some of the crappy things he says, is simply left to rot in his squalid hovel, here you'd have a full-on exchange, so it's not like your character would simply get to say "That's hella icky, mangirlwhatever" and not be challenged. The irony is that in doing so, you either create what you might construe as an even bigger soap box for the very thing you'd like to avoid, or validating the type of nonsense that some fool bloviating from under a circus tent might approve of. I suppose they could simply avoid this phantom hornets' nest by simply never including these characters, but I don't think that's a better option either. I think as is, the whole affair is pretty benign. I can't make a PC that likes to be a flaming racist toward the filthy knife-ears either, despite that actually being a thing in that universe.

 

As for the comment directed toward people who object, I'd say that it's a fairly reasonable response. The writers will do what they're keen on doing and a few objections here and there are not going to change that. It's sort of like how I imagine one might respond to the goofballs that call to boycott Mad Max because a feminist shat in their proverbial cornflakes. Just don't pay to see it. There. Problem solved. 

 

To what end? Well, example: The Iron Bull seems to take offense to the Inquisitor calling Krem "she", and makes a ridiculous argument about "normal". I'm just saying the Inquisitor should be able to retort in disagreement. Conversation ends, The Iron Bull Disapproves. Done. Far more civil than murder-knifing an elven servant at Ostagar for no reason.

 

It's benign now, but it seems Weeks is promising to amp it up... not quite to 11 yet, but toward it.

 

No, but you can make an elf who hates humans. Just like you can make a character who hates the Chantry. The thing is, all of our humans thus far, have been noble... or noble-ish at least. The Amell mage and Hawke. Both know about prejudice because mages and templars, so they are unlikely to be prejudice. Other than that, Couslands, good folks. Trevelyans, good folks.  

 

I don't think telling part of a consumer base to "shoo" is good business. Sorry. Yeah, problem solved for the ones who toss the series. Problem had for the shareholders, and thus the writers.


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Looks like we're going to hear lots and lots of interesting stuff. I'm intrigued about Hawke surviving - that means I'll let her die in the Fade next time, since I really want Loghain to live, and I suspect the developers won't be as kind to him as to Hawke.

 

And Solas stuff! And about Cole messing with the Inquisitor's head and deleting his memories! And Iron Bull being an Iron Cow in the first drafts! Yummy.

 

Hints about the next game make me nervous - does it mean they're done with DLCs? Hope not.

 

The only thing I'm uncomfortable about is "buy another game" - you start hating and pitying the dissenters instead of standing above it all, you're worse than them.

 

I'd really like a transcript.


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BioWare's response to people who hate the progressive elements in their games has consistently been 'don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.' Which is as it should be. If people can't cope with the mere existence of trans characters without needing the option to insult and/or misgender them, they should indeed go play one of the literally thousands of games that don't have any trans characters.

 

I think EA are smart enough to realise that you can't appeal to all demographics simultaneously. BioWare's commitment to not being completely !@#$ on social justice issues sets them apart from other studios and helps with marketing. (I mean, I also think it's awesome, but even from a purely business perspective, it's a smart idea in 2015.)

 

Why should it be that way? Why can't BioWare accommodate those concerns by making such elements optional, in other words, easily avoidable? I think you're only saying that because you agree with the message. When Dragon Age only had "Female" elf and Serendipity, a few loud "fans" complained, and BioWare accommodated them. So why are they more worthy of accommodation than a much larger percentage of fans?

 

Or look at it this way, I don't see Christianity being represented in Dragon Age at all. I'm sooooo offended by this. I demand pro-Christian messages be written into Dragon Age storylines in a respectful manner. Seriously though, if fans started making that demand, would you really say that BioWare should accommodate it? Make all the logical arguments you want about how it doesn't apply to the Dragon Age universe, I won't even call you a bigot for doing so, but the point still remains. If fans demanded that and claimed offence by its absence, would you agree that the demand should be met? I would hope not. I certainly wouldn't.

 

And you're missing the point. If the game forces every character to promote liberal concepts of gender and sexuality, then such statements of support lose their meaning. The players had no choice, so their stance is hollow. Why have a choice to recruit mages as allies or take them prisoner in this case? Why should I be allowed to kill Krem off by letting the Chargers die for that matter?

 

I think you can appeal to them simultaneously, in the way I suggested. Give players the CHOICE to be supportive of liberal causes, or "bigots" as some call them. At the very least the social justice warriors will feel good about themselves for choosing the path of acceptance, and EA will get some good psychiatric data for their player files from the data mining software embedded in the game. But that's a conspiracy theory for another topic.


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Lol, this Dai Grepher guy.

 

 

Looking forward to the next part. Wish it didn't take so long.


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But then I could ask: would the people who avoid these games because of this outnumber the people who get drawn in because of it? 

 

They wouldn't avoid the games - Bioware games are just too good and too rare a thing. They'll just be offended and less inclined to _pay_ for the game. For example, every second DA blog review(including comments) in Russia mentions "too much homosexuality, wish it wasn't there", including several of the best and most prominent Russian sci-fi writers. And Russia is a huge, huge, huge market, so, yeah, spitting on those customers might bite the company in the long run. Funny thing is, there's no problem with Krem, because that's viewed more like the tradition of girls wearing male clothing from the Shakespearian times or Soviet movies like Treasure Island and Truffaldino. But anyway, I'd say that about or over a half of Russian audience would be offended by "go find another game", yeah.


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Looks like we're going to hear lots and lots of interesting stuff. I'm intrigued about Hawke surviving - that means I'll let her die in the Fade next time, since I really want Loghain to live, and I suspect the developers won't be as kind to him as to Hawke.

 

And Solas stuff! And about Cole messing with the Inquisitor's head and deleting his memories! And Iron Bull being an Iron Cow in the first drafts! Yummy.

 

Hints about the next game make me nervous - does it mean they're done with DLCs? Hope not.

 

The only thing I'm uncomfortable about is "buy another game" - you start hating and pitying the dissenters instead of standing above it all, you're worse than them.

 

I'd really like a transcript.

 

Eh, I don't know. Loghain is interchangeable with Alistair in that quest, so who knows. Maybe they all survive.

 

I don't remember anything about Cole making the Inquisitor forget about Solas. I just remember Cole forgetting about Solas. Or maybe... I can't remember because I forgot. AH! I don't know if I don't remember anything! :blink: Anyway, this can't be, since human Cole can't make the Inquisitor forget.

 

Laidlaw confirmed a new DLC for Inquisition is in the works.

 

I too would like a transcript. Forget twitter posts.


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Hints about the next game make me nervous - does it mean they're done with DLCs? Hope not.

No. The DLCs would be in the development phase already.

 

The next games are currently only being worked on by the writers, since they've already written all or at least most of the DLCs for DAI. 

 

There will be more DLCs. Bioware confirmed it.