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[Xetykins]

I wouldn't think someone would sit for hours upon hours watching a Let's Play

I did :-p And i loved everything about it. Even watched 5 hrs of cutcenes!

Still wont play it though, because reasons..

[JezrelM]

Well I was always an advocate of not judging something prior to it coming out. But W3 has come out and I sunk 200 hours into it... So as far as comparable factors go what does DAI do better than W3?

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Nothing. I am serious. Absolutely nothing. Combat, PC selection, all of that are creative differences. In no way can they be compared. Witcher 3 combat is full-action. DAI combat is tactical strategy for the most part (it could have been partly action, and a good one, if they did proper controls for it). PC selection is again a creative choice - W3 lets you play as a character in the game world, while DAI lets YOU be the character - the Inquisitor is nothing more than a 3D model with a voice over, it serves only as a medium through which players communicate with the game world, it has no personality, and even no gender driven traits, which I consider a flaw - what's the point in selecting a different gender, if all that changes is a model and voice?

 

And don't even get me started on the whole "female friendliness". Every now and then I meet someone claiming how Witcher 3 is "not female-friendly" or "sexist" and I wish ESRB rating would include something like IQ requirement, or otherwise a test to make sure people dense enough to claim something like that don't experience products clearly far above their mental capacity.

 

Everything else that is comparable - progression, storyline, movement, detail, graphical fidelity, looting and biggest of all - quality of content Witcher 3 undeniably does better. And yes - romance too. For in Witcher 3 romance has meaning. You only have 2 options and they evoke real emotional feedback because the game has you investing a lot in either of them, and having a lot of background behind relationship with both of these characters makes the decision far more weighty. Dragon Age Inquisition doesn't even do what set previous DA games apart when it comes romance - it doesn't let you explore deeper and change personality and views of the characters you romance. That was a key part of previous game's romances and it is missing from Inquisition. DAI romances are nothing more than extra dialogue with a possible sex scene. It has no meaning within the game world.

 

So now that I played 2 games an equal measure of time, I an say with absolute certainty - DAI is an inferior game to Witcher 3 in every comparable respect. Without exception. Note that I am not hating on Inquisition - it has it's moments, especially if you use teleport hacks in trainers and hack the loot so you never have to collect stuff. But Witcher 3 is just a far far better game. It was created with love, passion and, well... for us. With profits being considered as something that will follow this quality and dedication - as they should be and as they have. Whereas DAI, while certainly having passionate developers, was built upon trends and checklists with developers struggling to balance what Inquisition needed to be with what it was required to be.

 

My tougths exactly, DAI is by no means a bad game, but the Witcher 3 its superior in almost all aspects. 

 

DAI it feels now like a kids game:

 

-Silly and unprofound-relationships-all-open trying to please every one(there is no real romance when you can screw every one around).

-Black and white choices.

-Comic book story (not saying its bad, it is just not mature).

-A silly smash button gameplay (only dragons require something else)

-Character costumization that only means something in your head (it dosent mather what race or gender you chose, its prety much the same thing).

-No real consequencies of your choices.

 

Witcher 3 also has his flaws, the movement for example is something that feels cluncky some times (especial mention to the brain damage roach XD), and the combat is complicated outside the easy difficulty (learning about potions and oils makes your life easier), and the character development is a litle more complicated than the last one. But overall is a truly master piece, it is a beutifull world plunged in darkness by the hate of men, roamed by dangerous beast ready to slice the guts of, many times, not so inocent victims. Gangs, politics, war, magic, sex, violence, diseases, racism, ignorance, despair, and in the midle of that Geralt of Rivia trying to save, the best he can, the ones he loves (even if he canot express emotions XD).

[Sartoz]

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Hmm...  let me think... just give me a minute......

 

Ah! got it. Read this piece. says it all for me.

 

source: http://forum.bioware...g-tw3-spoilers/

[Elhanan]

*snip*

-Silly and unprofound-relationships-all-open trying to please every one(there is no real romance when you can screw every one around).
-Black and white choices.
-Comic book story (not saying its bad, it is just not mature).
-A silly smash button gameplay (only dragons require something else)
-Character costumization that only means something in your head (it dosent mather what race or gender you chose, its prety much the same thing).
-No real consequencies of your choices.

*snip*

Have read similar things a few times now concerning both games. Guess that is the problem with evaluating opinions; someone else has a different one.

[Dutch's Ghost]

Nothing really.

[Dutch's Ghost]

My tougths exactly, DAI is by no means a bad game, but the Witcher 3 its superior in almost all aspects. 

 

DAI it feels now like a kids game:

 

-Silly and unprofound-relationships-all-open trying to please every one(there is no real romance when you can screw every one around).

-Black and white choices.

-Comic book story (not saying its bad, it is just not mature).

-A silly smash button gameplay (only dragons require something else)

-Character costumization that only means something in your head (it dosent mather what race or gender you chose, its prety much the same thing).

-No real consequencies of your choices.

 

Witcher 3 also has his flaws, the movement for example is something that feels cluncky some times (especial mention to the brain damage roach XD), and the combat is complicated outside the easy difficulty (learning about potions and oils makes your life easier), and the character development is a litle more complicated than the last one. But overall is a truly master piece, it is a beutifull world plunged in darkness by the hate of men, roamed by dangerous beast ready to slice the guts of, many times, not so inocent victims. Gangs, politics, war, magic, sex, violence, diseases, racism, ignorance, despair, and in the midle of that Geralt of Rivia trying to save, the best he can, the ones he loves (even if he canot express emotions XD).

 

Pretty much, DAI is like Disney while Witcher 3 is like GOT in terms of tone and atmosphere.

[Saphiron123]

My tougths exactly, DAI is by no means a bad game, but the Witcher 3 its superior in almost all aspects. 

 

DAI it feels now like a kids game:

 

-Silly and unprofound-relationships-all-open trying to please every one(there is no real romance when you can screw every one around).

-Black and white choices.

-Comic book story (not saying its bad, it is just not mature).

-A silly smash button gameplay (only dragons require something else)

-Character costumization that only means something in your head (it dosent mather what race or gender you chose, its prety much the same thing).

-No real consequencies of your choices.

 

Witcher 3 also has his flaws, the movement for example is something that feels cluncky some times (especial mention to the brain damage roach XD), and the combat is complicated outside the easy difficulty (learning about potions and oils makes your life easier), and the character development is a litle more complicated than the last one. But overall is a truly master piece, it is a beutifull world plunged in darkness by the hate of men, roamed by dangerous beast ready to slice the guts of, many times, not so inocent victims. Gangs, politics, war, magic, sex, violence, diseases, racism, ignorance, despair, and in the midle of that Geralt of Rivia trying to save, the best he can, the ones he loves (even if he canot express emotions XD).

Agreed. Especially about character creation - origins gave us unique stories to set up every character and make them special, yet another reason to replay it, inquisition throws a few lines of dialogue about race but there's no racially unique content.

If they'd cut one of those big empty maps and gave us some real backstory (and some more main quest), it would have been so much more meaningful.

[Saphiron123]

Pretty much, DAI is like Disney while Witcher 3 is like GOT in terms of tone and atmosphere.

Yup, inquisition is so freaking happy and pleasant. The dark emotional moments are few and far between.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Pretty much, DAI is like Disney while Witcher 3 is like GOT in terms of tone and atmosphere.

Because Disney has never had a dark tone or atmosphere in any of their products.

[FKA_Servo]

Because Disney has never had a dark tone or atmosphere in any of their products.

 

Or, more fittingly, because GoT is somehow the be all end all of friggin' fantasy.

 

(It really isn't.)

[wright1978]

Imports is something Bioware and Dragon Age certainly does better than the witcher series.

I still adore the Bioware party approach over the lone wolf with excursions with other NPCs.

Beyond that i'd be struggling as TW3 blew me away whilst DAI ground down my will to play.

[Dreadstruck]

Pretty much, DAI is like Disney while Witcher 3 is like GOT in terms of tone and atmosphere.

 

Or you know, Witcher 3 is like the Witcher in terms of tone and atmosphere.

 

The books came before Martin even wrote the first ASOAIF part, so I am sure GoT is not the one setting the "grittiness" bar.

[Sartoz]

JezrelM, on 15 Jun 2015 - 06:08 AM, said:

*snip*

-Silly and unprofound-relationships-all-open trying to please every one(there is no real romance when you can screw every one around).
-Black and white choices.
-Comic book story (not saying its bad, it is just not mature).
-A silly smash button gameplay (only dragons require something else)
-Character costumization that only means something in your head (it dosent mather what race or gender you chose, its prety much the same thing).
-No real consequencies of your choices.

*snip*

 

 

Have read similar things a few times now concerning both games. Guess that is the problem with evaluating opinions; someone else has a different one.

 

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Thing is, JezrelM is in a better position to make his opinion, having played both games.  

[Elhanan]

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Thing is, JezrelM is in a better position to make his opinion, having played both games.

Others posting such of TW3 seem to have equal footing as they are also reviewing the same game; same for those having played DAI.

[Han Shot First]

Or, more fittingly, because GoT is somehow the be all end all of friggin' fantasy.

 

(It really isn't.)

 

It is the most famous example. At least if we're referring to the books, I'd also argue perhaps the best written example of the grittier end of the fantasy genre. It is to that sub-genre of fantasy what LOTR is to High Fantasy.

[Sasie]

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Thing is, JezrelM is in a better position to make his opinion, having played both games.  

JezrelM is hardly alone in that. I played both games to the end and I find the Witcher of being guilty of the same thing Dragon Age was accused of. I mean the Wild hunt are even worse then Corypheus when it comes to black/white and being plain evil. Most of the other points could be turned around toward the Witcher as well. It all comes down to taste and I, and some others prefer Dragon Age.

[Sartoz]

Another thing DAI did better than TW3 was how they offered more variety in relationships. By that I don't mean things like offering the ability to roleplay different orientations, but offering the ability to roleplay different lifestyles when it comes to romance. In DAI, there were romances where sex was either optional or never came up, whereas TW3 offered solely "Bang or Break Up" like earlier Bioware games. 

 

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Hmm.. I can't see comparing romance/love in quantifying terms. TW series is all about Geralt. Whereas, the DA series is about individual stories (ie: Morrigan, Leliana). So, sure, DA has more that TW if quantity is the gauge to say DAI is better.

[Ariella]

Because Disney has never had a dark tone or atmosphere in any of their products.

 

"You now must contend with me, O prince, and all the powers of HELL!"

 

I'm sorry, Maleficent was evil incarnate, evil for the love of evil.... 

 

I'm sure I can think of others

 

Just because it has a happy ending in Disney doesn't mean it doesn't get DARK.

[correctamundo]

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Thing is, JezrelM is in a better position to make his opinion, having played both games.  

 

Even so, Elhanan is right.

[Sartoz]

JezrelM is hardly alone in that. I played both games to the end and I find the Witcher of being guilty of the same thing Dragon Age was accused of. I mean the Wild hunt are even worse then Corypheus when it comes to black/white and being plain evil. Most of the other points could be turned around toward the Witcher as well. It all comes down to taste and I, and some others prefer Dragon Age.

 

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"..It all comes down to taste."

 

Yes, that is also true.

[Sartoz]

Imports is something Bioware and Dragon Age certainly does better than the witcher series.

I still adore the Bioware party approach over the lone wolf with excursions with other NPCs.

Beyond that i'd be struggling as TW3 blew me away whilst DAI ground down my will to play.

 

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Oh, I agree with you that the party approach is what attracted me to the DA:O. Same with DA2.

[Eternal Dust]

I didn't think I'd have anything to say after the disappointment of DA:I but after picking up the Witcher 3 and playing for a good chunk of time, I've found that both games have their pros and cons. Bioware does combat responsiveness sooooooo much better and even though the mount thing was a bit of a joke at least the horseback riding wasn't completely inept like TW3's Roach. I also don't think I can ever settle for another RPG with a set protagonist. Geralt was just so dry and stiff which made me feel like he was the worst character in his own game. The other supporting characters were just miles better than him. 

[Hexoduen]

You can play as a female protagonist, through the entire game.
More female friendly and inclusive overall.
Superior import system.
Superior romance system..

And what does everyone else think DAI does better?

 

Music, I LOVE the music in Inquisition 

Companions.

Dialogue (though the camera angle could be better)

Tactics and auto-attack in combat (though tactics is lacking compared to Origins)

Environmental graphics. It's not that TW3 isn't good looking, but Inquisition is simply breathtaking! So immersive 

[Realmzmaster]

Pretty much, DAI is like Disney while Witcher 3 is like GOT in terms of tone and atmosphere.

 

Have you really looked at the Disney movies in regards to being dark. Most if not all of the Disney movies begin with tragedy or have caused controversy. For example the Princess and the Frog was criticize for displaying voodoo in many of the scenes and as the backdrop to the story. The Lion King saw fratricide. One of the early Disney movies has Bambi's mom getting bump off.

 

Disney movies may end up happy, but they are not that way throughout the movies.   If being compared to Disney is suppose to be a criticism that is one criticism I think Bioware/EA can live with.

 

Also originally Disney movies were not for children unless one or both parents were present.

[TheOgre]

Have you really looked at the Disney movies in regards to being dark. Most if not all of the Disney movies begin with tragedy or have caused controversy. For example the Princess and the Frog was criticize for displaying voodoo in many of the scenes and as the backdrop to the story. The Lion King saw fratricide. One of the early Disney movies has Bambi's mom getting bump off.

 

Disney movies may end up happy, but they are not that way throughout the movies.   If being compared to Disney is suppose to be a criticism that is one criticism I think Bioware/EA can live with.

 

Also originally Disney movies were not for children unless one of both parents were present.

 

I'm guilty of using the Disney hyperbole too. But I agree, the most recent I recall for Disney Dark is Simba banishing an entire pack of female lionesses still loyal to the prior king. They didn't see the prior king kill the king before, all they know is that this new king for sure killed Scar right in front of them. 

 

Banishment to a barren land with no food or clean water is horrifying in reality.