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[nebu187]

I think DAI is superior when it comes to player agency, and for evidence of this you needn't look any further than Morrigan's narration at the epilogue slides in comparison to Dandelion's. While in both games the player's political choices are represented, in DAI the consequences of said choices vary in accordance with the finer details of the player's actions, like f'rinstance the relationships with the advisors, the degree of court approval, other story decisions, and so forth.

[Jeremy Ray]

Cory as a villian in DAI seemed to all be set up for The Dread Wolf, which could be a good villian. But the story ends there. An entire game of fetch quest and a weak Villian for a cliff hanger ending...

Sorry but that may get some people hooked for the next game or big DLC, but it doesn't seem like the proper way to do things. For a lot of us fans the Dragon Age series was on probation after DA2 which I felt like EA did a cash grab off DA:O's success. DAI had potential and the hype to be a real GOTY but really didn't quite get it.

The ending was just further stating that Cory was just a weak pawn.

[Elhanan]

The hype is real; over 100+ GOTY Awards. While some may not agree with them, they are still there; remain factual.

[HiroVoid]

Nah.  I don't believe in real hype unless a game gets over 300 GOTY awards.

[Cunning Villain]

Nothing.

[KilrB]

The hype is real; over 100+ GOTY Awards. While some may not agree with them, they are still there; remain factual.

 

And, in this case, worth as much as the "participation" awards given in "fair play" sports leagues.

[Dutch's Ghost]

The hype is real; over 100+ GOTY Awards. While some may not agree with them, they are still there; remain factual.

 

5.8 userscore on metacritic. Hardly GOTY.

[KilrB]

5.8 userscore on metacritic. Hardly GOTY.

 

Haven't you heard?

 

People who have actually played DA:I are too biased to score it fairly so their scores don't count.

 

Only paid "profesional" critics and industry insiders can be relied upon!

[Elhanan]

5.8 userscore on metacritic. Hardly GOTY.

AKA - 5.8 possible Userscore, or anyone that wants to publish a review on a site that chooses to utilize flawed math. The pro score totals are bogus, too.

However, GOTY Awards are from those within the industry and some without of it. TW3 also has many of them for this year. Whether or not one agrees, they still have them; still may promote them.

[midnight tea]

Haven't you heard?

 

People who have actually played DA:I are too biased to score it fairly so their scores don't count.

 

Only paid "profesional" critics and industry insiders can be relied upon!

 

... You mean the same Metacritic, that ironically gave "The Room" - one of the worst movies ever created - a 5.0???

 

As we can see the user scores can be as fickle as "paid professionals" if one type of anonymous user or vocal minority will flood Metacritic to skew the ratings for whatever reason.

 

Besides, you imply that those paid professionals who sang praises about Witcher and gave it high notes also shouldn't be trusted.

[Shechinah]

... You mean the same Metacritic, that ironically gave "The Room" - one of the worst movies ever created - a 5.0???

 

As we can see the user scores can be as fickle as "paid professionals" if one type of anonymous user or vocal minority will flood metacritic to skew the ratings for whatever reason (besides, that implies that those paid professionals who sang praises about Witcher and gave it high notes also shouldn't be trusted).

 

You're tearing me apart, Metacritic!
 

[midnight tea]

You're tearing me apart, Metacritic!

 

 

Such stunning acting!

[Dutch's Ghost]

AKA - 5.8 possible Userscore, or anyone that wants to publish a review on a site that chooses to utilize flawed math. The pro score totals are bogus, too.

However, GOTY Awards are from those within the industry and some without of it. TW3 also has many of them for this year. Whether or not one agrees, they still have them; still may promote them.

 

Hmmm, i read quite a lot of the reviews there and the negative ones are very detailed on how and why the game is poor. In any other case, userscore perfectly shows the consensus on what people think of DAI and "professional" outlets handing out GOTY awards to a game they probably didnt finish is no indicator of it actually being GOTY. GOTY is something personal and doesnt mean much considering that 2014 was a poor year in gaming if DAI took in the awards. 

[MisterJB]

Tell me, where is your CD Projekt Red now?

Call them, call down their wroth upon me. You cannot, for they are not perfect.

Admit that they too can write poorly thought out plots, butcher returning characters, have anti-climatic endings and filler and be spared.

[midnight tea]

Hmmm, i read quite a lot of the reviews there and the negative ones are very detailed on how and why the game is poor. In any other case, userscore perfectly shows the consensus on what people think of DAI and "professional" outlets handing out GOTY awards to a game they probably didnt finish is no indicator of it actually being GOTY. GOTY is something personal and doesnt mean much considering that 2014 was a poor year in gaming if DAI took in the awards. 

 

I've scanned reviews too and I've seen people giving extreme values for most arbitrary reasons, including b*tching about lack of healers or game being unable to save while you're in combat mode. In any case, the existence or predominantly 10 or 0-2 scores is a perfect indicator of many reviewers not even hiding that they're not trying to be objective.

 

Also - why are we talking about GOTY out of a sudden? We're talking about professional reviews that happened before GOTY and both in case of Witcher and DAI, majority of reviewers praised both games very highly.

[Ariella]

One thing that DAI did better. Save game load ups. The graphic novel animation and voice over on load for TW3 was nice the first couple of time but after awhile it's like 'come on already!'

[Elhanan]

Hmmm, i read quite a lot of the reviews there and the negative ones are very detailed on how and why the game is poor. In any other case, userscore perfectly shows the consensus on what people think of DAI and "professional" outlets handing out GOTY awards to a game they probably didnt finish is no indicator of it actually being GOTY. GOTY is something personal and doesnt mean much considering that 2014 was a poor year in gaming if DAI took in the awards.

Using a known flawed source for info is unwise, but am guessing accuracy is not key to this certain opinion....

[Jester]

One thing that DAI did better. Save game load ups. The graphic novel animation and voice over on load for TW3 was nice the first couple of time but after awhile it's like 'come on already!'

Witcher 3 still loads faster, at least without SSD.

 

 

... You mean the same Metacritic, that ironically gave "The Room" - one of the worst movies ever created - a 5.0???

 

As we can see the user scores can be as fickle as "paid professionals" if one type of anonymous user or vocal minority will flood Metacritic to skew the ratings for whatever reason.

 

Besides, you imply that those paid professionals who sang praises about Witcher and gave it high notes also shouldn't be trusted.

Well, Witcher 3 has 9.2 user score on Metacritic. 

And it still has a lot of trolls giving 0/10 with a review saying "Great characters, story and combat, but the graphics got downgraded", or "The game for the ages and paragon of RPG, but no steam cards, 0/10". 

And as to "The Room", it has 95 reviews, and troll 10/10 reviews are balanced with actual 0-2/10 reviews, so it has 5.0. DA:I has 35 times more reviews, and Witcher 3 has 25 times more reviews, so by default the influence of trolls is much lesser than in some obscure movie that doesn't even have required 4 professional reviews. 

 

Just to be clear, I don't think, that Inquisition is a 5.5 game. Far from it - if I'd have to rate it, I'd say it's 7.5-8.0.

What hurts me the most, is the fact that before I actually finished the game, I'd be willing to give it 9.0 or 9.5.

 

Unfortunately, conclusion reveals that none of the power you aquired mattered, none of the alliances and side missions mattered, final mission is nonsensical and ending is disappointing.

And then you sit through the credits, and realize that since defending Haven, the tension in the story was only decreasing. That none of your companions could have died. That the all powerful Original Darkspawn felt weak, pathetic and desperate during the ending, instead of being terrifying. 

 

This final mission really hurt the reception of the game, because if I got the last mission on par with say - Mass Effect 2, I probably would not even notice those flaws, and would watch the credits in awe.

 

It seems that BioWare has lost it's edge when it comes to writing endings/epilogues.

Even DA2 did it better, than DA:I. At least all of your companions were around, fighting alongside you. 

 

But since DA:O and Mass Effect 2, BioWare apparently doesn't know how to properly conclude their games, which is... unfortunate.

[midnight tea]

Witcher 3 still loads faster, at least without SSD.

 

 

Well, Witcher 3 has 9.2 user score on Metacritic. 

And it still has a lot of trolls giving 0/10 with a review saying "Great characters, story and combat, but the graphics got downgraded", or "The game for the ages and paragon of RPG, but no steam cards, 0/10". 

 

Yes, yes - and give it a few months or perhaps CDPR doing something a vocal group of gamers disapproves and THEN we'll see Metacritic scores.

 

Plus - giving 0/10 with mentioning how great the game was BUT something arbitrary made the person give the game 0 is the exact reason why I say that many people on Metacritic don't even hide the fact that they're not even trying to be objective. There are hardly 'middle of the scale' or reviews that could be called fair in terms of grading used, either for Witcher or DAI.

 

I myself, however I liked the game, would've given DA 7-8/10, though I'm still waiting for the conclusion of the story in the DLC. Witcher I'm yet to finish, but it's around 8 now.

[Ariella]

Witcher 3 still loads faster, at least without SSD

Not for me it didn't, especially since there's no way to skip through the damn thing.

[Saphiron123]

I love that the defenders are now relying on GOTY awards and metacritic scores (apparently critics counts, but gamers don't because they all must be trolls) to defend DAI's bland empty world.

I know most of the people arguing have never played the witcher and never plan to, but at least offer some in game examples, not what people thought before they even got to spend any real time mining rocks and fetching books.

[Ariella]

I love that the defenders are now relying on GOTY awards and metacritic scores (apparently critics counts, but gamers don't because they all must be trolls) to defend DAI's bland empty world.
I know most of the people arguing have never played the witcher and never plan to, but at least offer some in game examples, not what people thought before they even got to spend any real time mining rocks and fetching books.

A number of us HAVE played the game, and it is fun, but there are those of us, like myself, who get tired of individuals who are here only to whine about how bad DAI is in comparison to TW3.

As for metacritic, if you want to believe the internet version of a high school popularity contest, be my guest. If I'm going to look at survey data, I'm going to look for something that's actually done using random sampling and a scientific method.

[KBomb]

A number of us HAVE played the game, and it is fun, but there are those of us, like myself, who get tired of individuals who are here only to whine about how bad DAI is in comparison to TW3.

As for metacritic, if you want to believe the internet version of a high school popularity contest, be my guest. If I'm going to look at survey data, I'm going to look for something that's actually done using random sampling and a scientific method.

The great thing is, you don't have to read or participate in such discussions if youre tired of them. A lot of the posts have not been "whiny", but very constructive. For instance, the Feedback thread. I feel like the initial post was a bit baiting, but some really good discussions have come from it.

Both sides have acted with insecurity and immaturity, but I have to say that a lot of it is surprisingly civil and some really good ideas have been presented. Some people act as if no one complained about DAI until TW3 came out and that is simply not the case. A lot of the suggestions from TW3 are things that people complained about in DAI long before TW3 released. Just seeing the complaints rectified and presented in a better way has made people say, "See? It can be done. Please keep this in mind for future releases."

[Ariella]

The great thing is, you don't have to read or participate in such discussions if youre tired of them. A lot of the posts have not been "whiny", but very constructive. For instance, the Feedback thread. I feel like the initial post was a bit baiting, but some really good discussions have come from it. Just like this thread which was made just to bait and provoke.

And I have availed myself of the ignore function on several occasions, and yes there have been bits of good feedback, but much of it has been drown out by, yes, whiny behavior. The signal to noise level is not as bad as it was during the DA 2 years, but it comes close at times.

I would love to have a legitimate conversation, and have been in multiple places, but the chest pounding for some quartets makes it difficult.

[KBomb]

And I have availed myself of the ignore function on several occasions, and yes there have been bits of good feedback, but much of it has been drown out by, yes, whiny behavior. The signal to noise level is not as bad as it was during the DA 2 years, but it comes close at times.

I would love to have a legitimate conversation, and have been in multiple places, but the chest pounding for some quartets makes it difficult.

I know what you mean. I feel the same way when people come into the thread just to say how much they dislike The Witcher and how it focuses on sex only and how it portrays women in a bad light and how they'll never play it because it's so bad, and how much they hate Geralt, etc. Especially when they haven't touched it. 

 

 I have added a few users to the ignore list myself. There are a lot of people who loved DAI and have never played TW series, but they're willing to have legitimate conversations and are open to suggestions and there are some who love TW, yet dislike DAI and they're open minded too and want DAI to take a close look at what works, so they can learn to like DA again. Those are the people I enjoy conversing with the most. Reading through the "My game is better than your game!" posts only to find those few charming forumites is worth it.