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[Rifneno]

Oh, you know what else CDPR > Bioware at? Writing strong women. When BW tries for a "strong woman", they write a (female mabari). Like Vivienne or Sera. Pretty common mistake really. TW3 has plenty of women that are strong and independent while not being self-centered, self-righteous scumbags. Cerys is probably the best example. Cerys is incredible. Ciri is also great. She's almost as good in battle as Geralt and yet is a good, sociable person. Of course, there's always Triss. All the mages of Novigrad looked to her as a leader for a reason.

But TW doesn't jump up and down screaming "LOOK AT ME, STRONG WOMEN, EQUALITY AND FEMINISM!" so it's rarely acknowledged that they do equality better than the SJW types.

[yawnandshrug]

Or portraying strong women in the tell don't show manner, I really dislike how Cassandra fades in importance post haven, even her becoming divine is contingent on your actions and blessings. I'm only up to about halfway in Skellige, blasted xp bug but atm my impression is that Cerys is hotheaded and manipulative and Hjalmar is hotheaded and dumb as a rock so I'm not sure I'd support either of them. Triss is kind of a strange case because she didn't seem entirely trustworthy in Witcher 1 and 2 and I was always somewhat wary of her. She's changed come Witcher 3 though. I love Ciri. Really hoping she'd be the protagonist if they make Witcher 4.

[nici2412]

Having played both games for 100+ hours there are imo 2 things Bioware did better with Dragon AGe Inqusition:

1. Ending felt more satisfying. Don't want to spoil the Witcher 3 ending but it felt rushed

2. Dragon Age has much more character interaction outside of quests. Almost after every main mission I got new dialogues with the companions, while in Witcher 3 every main  character has the same 1-4 dialogue options during the whole game.

 

About the character creation many people here name as a pro. That'S 100% subjective. Having a pre-defined character is imo one of the biggest advantages of Witcher 3. The relationship between Geralt and Ciri is so much deeper than anything I have ever experienced in any bioware game, just for the fact that there are 7 books, which fleshed this relationship out (though they also did a great job to show the relationship to new players)

 

Aside from this two points I don't think there is anything in which Witcher 3 isn't far superior to Dragon Age. (especially the choices, story, writing, open world, quest design)

[correctamundo]

Of course it is subjective. Everything about these comparisons is subjective.

[Beren Von Ostwick]

Superior import system.

 

*looks at the collection of save files he diligently preserved over the years from DAO > DAA > Amgarrak > Witch Hunt > DA2*

 

That's... funny.

[MoonDrummer]

 Also I love how we've partially turned this thread into a which Witcher 3 romance is the best thread.

I'm not sure how its even a debate, the answer is obviously Keira. What other romance has the potential to end to beautifully?

Spoiler

 

[yawnandshrug]

Radovid s**ks flaccid c**k. So glad I told her to go to Kaer Morhen.

[Medhia_Nox]

For me: 
 

- Character creation and the fact that I can make my own character.

- Companions.  

 

@Rifneno:  You didn't think Cassandra was a strong character?  Or Aveline?  Or Wynne?  

 

From my experience with TW2... everyone's a ****** in that universe. 

[Heathen Oxman]

I like DA for when I feel like creating my own character and running around in a cartoon-y universe, sticking little baddies with little arrows.  DAI is a good game to get drunk to.

 

I'm a Witcher n00b, but, so far, the only thing about Geralt's world I find tiresome is that everyone tends to be a skeevy dirtbag. 

[AresKeith]

So true I remember Bioware being different in the past
I mean Morrigan and Leliana for an example? They were great female characters

Seems like some Anita fans took over at Bioware (lol)

.....

Really?

[Rifneno]

@Rifneno:  You didn't think Cassandra was a strong character?  Or Aveline?  Or Wynne?

Cassandra: So-so.
Aveline: Again, strong without being a colossal "female mabari" for no good reason.
Wynne: Not in the least, no. No one who falls for the Chantry's indoctrination that hard is a strong person. Which is also why I say "so-so" for Cassandra instead of "yes", though Wynne was drinking way more kool-aid. Glad she's FINALLY dead. And since the Archmage of Retconjuration has been moved to another project, she may even stay dead!

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

For me: 
 

- Character creation and the fact that I can make my own character.

- Companions.  

 

@Rifneno:  You didn't think Cassandra was a strong character?  Or Aveline?  Or Wynne?  

 

From my experience with TW2... everyone's a ****** in that universe. 

 

Well they do exist. They're just kinda... one dimensional, or maybe it would be better to say they feel "unreal". Not so much Cassandra but Wynne and most importantly Aveline, they're not really people. They're just walking, talking checklists. On the other hand Yen, she is not the nicest person but, but she is very well realized "not nice" person (don't wanna be rude, I'm no better).

[Medhia_Nox]

@Heathen Oxman:  If there isn't an "All Medieval People Suck" trope... there should be, cause games like the Witcher (at least 2 from what I played) follow that trope hard.  

 

Games where almost everyone sucks are just as bad as games where everyone's cupcakes and rainbows for me. 

 

@Senjougahara:  One dimensional - or maybe they're not just pseudo-Mary Sues?  By that - I mean, most humans really aren't that multi-faceted.  You can probably be broken down to a few basic major features, as can I, and I believe as can most people.  If you believe in pleasure seeking - you're not just going to throw in asceticism for "flavor" to be more complex.  If you're greedy - you're only going to pursue philanthropy for image - and not going to just give your money up because you're so deeply mysterious.

 

"Be it all" characters are... for me... largely just fantasy figures.  Far more "image of man/woman" than anything truly complex.  

[goofyomnivore]

The only none subjective thing I can think of is the import system. But I don't know any other game that has anything like the Dragon Age Keep.

 

I'd argue DA voice acting is better. I also prefer to create my own character. But both of those two are highly opinionated. 

 

DA:I from top to bottom felt bad compared TW3 to me. Although I think that is more of TW3's greatness than DA:I's faults because I really did like DA:I quite a bit.

 

I didn't like TW3's combat either, but it wasn't any better than DA:I's both were really boring using the same few moves over and over. Playing as Ciri was incredibly fun tho. Even if it was basically god mode.

[AresKeith]

Cassandra: So-so.
Aveline: Again, strong without being a colossal "female mabari" for no good reason.
Wynne: Not in the least, no. No one who falls for the Chantry's indoctrination that hard is a strong person. Which is also why I say "so-so" for Cassandra instead of "yes", though Wynne was drinking way more kool-aid. Glad she's FINALLY dead. And since the Archmage of Retconjuration has been moved to another project, she may even stay dead!

 

1. That doesn't really say why Cassandra isn't a strong character

2. She's only like that with Isabela with a reason

3. lol, not even bothering with this because it's filled with so much bias

 

 

the Anita part of it was a joke obviously (hence the lol) but Morrigan and Leliana were definitely in another league than

Cassandra and Josephine

 

Or do you want to dispute that?

 

There's nothing to dispute since it's all subjective but yes I do think Cassandra is a strong character compared to Morrigan and Leliana

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

@Heathen Oxman:  If there isn't an "All Medieval People Suck" trope... there should be, cause games like the Witcher (at least 2 from what I played) follow that trope hard.  

 

Games where almost everyone sucks are just as bad as games where everyone's cupcakes and rainbows for me. 

 

I'd argue that's not true. Not everyone in Witcher 2 sucks. Most of the minor unamed bandits nad other lowlifes, sure they do, but I don't think that Zoltan, Foltest or Dandelion do, or Ves, Triss, Saskia. Even Letho, Roche, Iroveth or Phillipa cannot be simply described as such. In fact, none of the major characters can. Sure, they have their flaws, but they don't have just those, they are some good things about them as well and that's what makes them more believable. 

[goofyomnivore]

I'd put Cassandra in the same tier as Morrigan/Leliana. Jospehine doesn't have the character development of two or three games, and isn't a companion you can take on missions. I doubt she will ever be as interesting/developed as those three.

[FKA_Servo]

the Anita part of it was a joke obviously (hence the lol) but Morrigan and Leliana were definitely in another league than

Cassandra and Josephine

 

Or do you want to dispute that?

 

I don't know how you can dispute that, since you can't account for (bad) taste.

 

Since I feel that characterization is arguably one of Bioware's strongest aspects, I tend to think that Morrigan, Leliana, Cassandra, and Josephine are all pretty great characters, although Cassandra has stood head and shoulders above most for me since we met her in DA2. I think she's fantastic in DAI.

 

I suppose I can guess why you don't like her, but feel free to "dispute" it if you want. I'd be interested in being proven wrong.

[goofyomnivore]

I'd argue that's not true. Not everyone in Witcher 2 sucks. Most of the minor unamed bandits nad other lowlifes, sure they do, but I don't think that Zoltan, Foltest or Dandelion do, or Ves, Triss, Saskia. Even Letho, Roche, Iroveth or Phillipa cannot be simply described as such. In fact, none of the major characters can. Sure, they have their flaws, but they don't have just those, they are some good things about them as well and that's what makes them more believable. 

 

Phillpa is a manipulating control freak. it isn't too surprising Radovid turned out how he did. I can't really think of a positive thing about Phillpa. Except she is exceptionally talented and driven to meet her own goals.

[Rannik]

Nothing, I haven't finished it yet but Wild Hunt is a vastly better game in every single aspect so far (and I'm sure the ending won't change that opinion).

 

CDPR is the new Bioware.

[Medhia_Nox]

@goofyomnivore:  Well - it's not subjective if you want to create a character.  

 

If you are looking for character creation - TW doesn't have one.  

 

So it factually has an inferior character creator because it doesn't have one at all. 

[Incantrix]

once again, CC options are not an objectively better approach than a fixed protagonist

Then again, fixed protagonists are slowly going out of favor with me. I cannot connect with fixed protagonists well. So quite honestly, I'm going to have to go withSharp walkers on this one.