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[Seboist]

Lack of a female PC would be hella lame. Some of the most fun I've had in a game was playing as a pro-legion femcourier in NV.

[RZIBARA]

LOL 

 

You guys all think I actually care about the whole Social justice, gamergate crap going on? I could give two craps, I've never been following that crap.

 

What does grind my gears are SJW's who will bash a company for stupid crap like no playable females. Let the developers make their vision of their game. Do you want more games that are filled with pandering instead, like DAI?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Even Stalin was better than SJWs though, so anything which spits in their faces would be a plus.

[Mr.House]

LOL 

 

You guys all think I actually care about the whole Social justice, gamergate crap going on? I could give two craps, I've never been following that crap.

 

What does grind my gears are SJW's who will bash a company for stupid crap like no playable females. Let the developers make their vision of their game. Do you want more games that are filled with pandering instead, like DAI?

If the game is part of a series that promotes making your own character and giving you alot of freedom, then yes. You're so drugged on hating SJWs that you think everyone who does not agree with you is one.

[RZIBARA]

If the game is part of a series that promotes making your own character and giving oyu alot of freedom, then yes. You're so drugged on hating SJWs that you think everyone who does not agree with you is one.

 

I never claimed you nor anyone in this thread was a justice warrior?

 

My original comment was intended as a joke, but the butthurt here is so strong that everyone is actually trying to argue with me. lol

 

Also, that bolded sentence was not solely directed at people talking about FO4. This applies to ALOT of other games as well.

[Killdren88]

Honestly, yeah while character creation is a pillar of any RPG, I wouldn't call it a vital pillar. If Bethesda wants to tell a specific story focusing on one character and what goes on with that character, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to give it a go. Its not the end of the world if they decide to take a path like this. They have given us games with plenty of character creation. I think we can let them get away with one character and focus around this character.

[Mr.House]

Honestly, yeah while character creation is a pillar of any RPG, I wouldn't call it a vital pillar. If Bethesda wants to tell a specific story focusing on one character and what goes on with that character, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to give it a go. Its not the end of the world if they decide to take a path like this. They have given us games with plenty of character creation. I think we can let them get away with one character and focus around this character.

Make a new IP then, don't turn a series that has a praised feature ripped out because you don't have the skill to tell a story with a male/female protag, when both Black Isle/Obsidian managed just fine.

[Cyonan]

Honestly, yeah while character creation is a pillar of any RPG, I wouldn't call it a vital pillar. If Bethesda wants to tell a specific story focusing on one character and what goes on with that character, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to give it a go. Its not the end of the world if they decide to take a path like this. They have given us games with plenty of character creation. I think we can let them get away with one character and focus around this character.

 

I think it's more that in this case, character creation is a staple of both the Fallout series and Bethesda games.

 

It's like if BioWare removed companions from the next Mass Effect game. It's not a vital part of a RPG necessarily, but it's still something that is a part of a BioWare game.

 

As for the whole SJW thing: If developers didn't want to be bashed for having no playable women, then they shouldn't use stupid excuses as to why you can't.

 

I'm looking at you, Ubisoft.

[ObserverStatus]

Honestly, yeah while character creation is a pillar of any RPG, I wouldn't call it a vital pillar. If Bethesda wants to tell a specific story focusing on one character and what goes on with that character, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to give it a go. Its not the end of the world if they decide to take a path like this. They have given us games with plenty of character creation. I think we can let them get away with one character and focus around this character.

You're right, character creation isn't a vital pillar of every RPG. Fallout isn't every RPG. If Bethesda want to tell a specific story focusing on one character, we should all be alarmed because it would indicate that Bethesda has absolutely zero awareness of its own strengths and weaknesses. The sandbox elements of Bethesda games have always been superior to the story elements, and I just want to see Bethesda play to its strengths in Fallout 4. Frankly, I do not believe that Bethesda's writers are capable of writing a story so compelling that it is worth sacrificing Fallout's most characteristic features to tell it.

[Killdren88]

Make a new IP then, don't turn a series that has a praised feature ripped out because you don't have the skill to tell a story with a male/female protag, when both Black Isle/Obsidian managed just fine.

 

But its a story within the Fallout universe. If they wanted to make a game where we play through Ulysses's story, would you hate because it is a defined character?

[Mr.House]

But its a story within the Fallout universe they wanted to make a game where we play through Ulysses's story, would you hate because it is a defined character?

Then call it Fallout: Ulysses, not Fallout 4.

[Vroom Vroom]

Honestly, yeah while character creation is a pillar of any RPG, I wouldn't call it a vital pillar. If Bethesda wants to tell a specific story focusing on one character and what goes on with that character, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to give it a go. Its not the end of the world if they decide to take a path like this. They have given us games with plenty of character creation. I think we can let them get away with one character and focus around this character.

If it was a spin-off series such as Fallout: Tactics then no character creation wouldn't be a big deal. The fact that this is a numerical entry means that it should adhere to the standard set by the previous numerical entries. It's fine to try new things and experiment, but removing staples of what makes the franchise: Player choice, character creation, would be stupid and disrespectful to fans and the IP. 

[Liveshiptrader]

Make a new IP then, don't turn a series that has a praised feature ripped out because you don't have the skill to tell a story with a male/female protag, when both Black Isle/Obsidian managed just fine.

It's not praise worthy, it's always been to the detriment of the story, if they do this then the game will lose and gain something. I have a dislike off silent protags so would welcome a voiced lead with the option of a female version ala Mass Effect if enough people want it.

[Mr.House]

It's not praise worthy, it's always been to the detriment of the story, if they do this then the game will lose and gain something. I have a dislike off silent protags so would welcome a voiced lead with the option of a female version ala Mass Effect if enough people want it.

FO1,2 and NV have a better story then ME1,2,3, DA2 and DAI. So yeah, it does not detriment fron the story.

[ObserverStatus]

The argument over how Bethesda would handle a personal story centered around a set protagonist is a moot point anyway. In the leadup to Skyrim, Bethesda made it clear that they believe the future of gaming is in emergent gameplay.

[Mr.House]

The argument over how Bethesda would handle a personal story centered around a set protagonist is a moot point anyway. In the leadup to Skyrim, Bethesda made it clear that they believe the future of gaming is in emergent gameplay.

Nah clearly Bethesda wants dat wife revenge trash story.

[Cutlass Jack]

Its not true. They're already taking preorders for a toy featuring a female protagonist on their website. Nevermind that's the Fallout 3 protagonist. Still not buying the rumor. (and not buying the game if it actually is true)

 

But I'll wait til E3 reveals before getting that concerned.

[ruggly]

[Mr.House]

Its not true. They're already taking preorders for a toy featuring a female protagonist on their website.

Which is good, good thing Bethesda has not totally gone off the deep end, but voiced PC is still a massive concern for me.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I thought they made it clear the future of gameplay was paying to buy mods and community made patches. That idea will be back sooner rather than later I think.

[Vroom Vroom]

Which is good, good thing Bethesda has not totally gone off the deep end, but voiced PC is still a massive concern for me.

Me too, but I'll deal with it (ugh).

 

It'd be sweet if we got the option to choose between voiced and text, I don't think that would be hard to implement at all. 

[Liveshiptrader]

FO1,2 and NV have a better story then ME1,2,3, DA2 and DAI. So yeah, it does not detriment fron the story.

Matter of opinion on whether the overall story was better but it's a simple fact that a silent protagonist is bad for it, a voiced protag is always better

[Commander Rpg]

I thought they made it clear the future of gameplay was paying to buy mods and community made patches.

Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? (quote)

[ObserverStatus]

I thought they made it clear the future of gameplay was paying to buy mods and community made patches. That idea will be back sooner rather than later I think.

Exactly, why bother telling a story about some a-hole trying to avenge his wife when they could give the players the tools to tell the story of some a-hole and his companion, thomas the tank trying to avenge their pet pony after it was murdered by Macho Man Randy Savage?

[Cyonan]

Matter of opinion on whether the overall story was better but it's a simple fact that a silent protagonist is bad for it, a voiced protag is always better

 

That's actually still an opinion that a silent protagonist is better, not fact.

 

Silent protagonist allows for more dialogue options due to not needing a voice actor to actually read all those lines, or multiple VAs if you're having a choice of gender. Plus while it doesn't always work out, it does allow the player to insert their own tone of the delivery of the line rather than the game having a pre-determined tone.