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[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Don't know about you but i'm hopping they all check there privileges.

[spinachdiaper]

We must pray to any and all higher powers to handle this since the only human solution is always war with some systematic genocide on the side.

[Cribbian]

Set them up the bomb and make it so all their bases belong to us.

[Fidite Nemini]

Why am I always thinking about Jeff Dunham when people talk about stuff like ISIS?

[Laughing_Man]

We must pray to any and all higher powers to handle this since the only human solution is always war with some systematic genocide on the side.

 

The Isis fanaticism has its roots in a strong religious faith, do we really need any more irrational religious ideas in the mix?

[Xerxes52]

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

[Chewin]

One can always argue to either increase the military and political measures taken to destabilize ISIS; by dispatching more aircrafts and military advisors, mobilizing support from related parties and factions (e.g. Sunnis), lifting the "boots on the ground"; giving the military more reign to operate more effectively. ISIS is not as organized as other militant groups (like Hezbollah) but are still a threat considering their influence they have managed to gather in their acts of terrorism. Political reforms would be much needed, since if we are to take USA's involvement with the case, it has been largely restricted to borders and factions, which is natural of course since the most prominent parties have their own reasons and obligation that they feel needed to accomplish; Turkey being one party with their conflicts with Syria's current president.

 

This conflict is not something that can be solved within weeks, whatever scenario the parties involved intent to take, nor should it be viewed as such. From my experience and knowledge of it, focusing on nation-building and Arab identity as an "unification force" would prove effective. Offering greater autonomy to Sunnis and removing US opposition to the Kurdish independence, enforcing social order in Syria, in addition to building a solid Arab identity to create a stronger political community that separates itself from the ISIS.

 

Of course, it is a very ambitious goal and there are a plethora of other aspects that is needed to take into account, but I feel it would be a good groundwork to go on. Taking into account military and political efforts, having involved parties incorporate this into its longer-term strategy and avoid further drift into regional anarchy inspired by the likes of ISIS, could prove an effective method to combat them.

[Naughty Bear]

They can stay the **** away from Thailand. I'll happily be conscripted to fight them if they ever dare to invade.

[Laamaa]

I think the scariest thing by far is that you have no idea who they are. They've probably spreaded all around and we don't even know. 

[SwobyJ]

ISIS really looks like the last big tantrum of the worst elements/degrees of Islamism - militant thuggery. Not to say there isn't a lot of other bad elements, but this sort of thing doesn't look remotely sustainable. They just vigorously expand (maybe knowing that if they don't, they're even more screwed) and will probably be absolutely terrible at actually holding and using territory properly.

 

I'd take them more seriously when they stand against a major power and win. So far, they look like just a big (or even little) bully that knows it can stomp around a playground with no teacher watching and none of the tougher kids present. This is speaking to scale of course - on the ground, they're incredibly dangerous and intimidating to others. But on the international scale, they're a damn joke. But again, standing against a major power and winning at anything, or somehow coming into the possession of something incredibly dangerous... that's when I care.

 

Ultimately one of the better paths for the Middle-East is in unifying as a Western-neutral or Western-friendly league of nations, and ISIS has no place in that path. This is especially important for them, not even just the West, as oil dependency mayyy significantly lower over the next couple of decades.

 

Those leaving home to join ISIS most often look like they idiots wanting a sense of power and control over their lives, and think they can get it as long as they can tolerate this strain of Islam. Again, idiots.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Don't worry we're advancing to the west. Soon their last base will belong to us.

 

If not, get a bit serious everyone and they're doomed to be defeated. But no one gets serious.

[L. Han]

They can stay the **** away from Thailand. I'll happily be conscripted to fight them if they ever dare to invade.

 

Screw that, have you seen how poorly equiped the Thai army is? Last time I was in training we had to shoot some old German Jaeger rifles which the magazine feed wasn't working anymore so we had to disassemble the rifle just to load in 1 tiny .22 bullet. It had to placed just right, too far in and the bullet drops, too far out the rifle jams.

 

Not to mention the Thai army still uses equipment the Americans left from the Vietnam war. Most of them are so worn out that they are more dangerous to the operator than their targets. Just look at the Huey crashes a few years ago.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Screw that, have you seen how poorly equiped the Thai army is? Last time I was in training we had to shoot some old German Jaeger rifles which the magazine feed wasn't working anymore so we had to disassemble the rifle just to load in 1 tiny .22 bullet. It had to placed just right, too far in and the bullet drops, too far out the rifle jams.

 

Not to mention the Thai army still uses equipment the Americans left from the Vietnam war. Most of them are so worn out that they are more dangerous to the operator than their targets. Just look at the Huey crashes a few years ago.

 

Is this a "lol we suck" comment?

[Ridwan]

So how can the world tackle problems like ISIS?

 

Groups like this scare the bajeezus out of me. They just can't be stopped it seems.

 

You could start by asking the U.S. to not start such groups.

[Eternal Phoenix]

The Isis fanaticism has its roots in a strong religious faith, do we really need any more irrational religious ideas in the mix?

 

>implying a random Christian praying in America is going to cause any harm other than butt hurting some random fedora wearing reddit atheist walking down the street who thinks his rights are being violated somehow.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I'm only half-Thai and American (don't know much about living there.. let alone it's military), but I've always been impressed that they've remained relatively safe.. with extremists in Indonesia and Malayasia on one hand, and China on the other. 

 

And that's with the dysfunctional governments and coups every couple of years. lol

 

Welcome to Asia, where it's not Europe.

[Fast Jimmy]

Gentrify it. Open up a lot of trendy cafes, perhaps extend the L train line, and rent will be so high they'll have to choose between a roof over their heads or weapons to buy, and they'll just disband under the crushing weight of the tides of change.

I think people in Iraq and Syria would consider "a stable power grid, running water and paved streets" as being pretty dang high class at this point.

[Fast Jimmy]

You could start by asking the U.S. to not start such groups.

I'm curious... are saying that the actions of the U.S. that led to the destabilization of the area led to ISIS? Or that the US actually created and funded ISIS?

[Ridwan]

I'm curious... are saying that the actions of the U.S. thated to the destabilization of the area led to ISIS? Or that the US actually created and funded ISIS?

The latter. 

[Ridwan]

Links.

 

http://theantimedia....ed-create-isis/

http://www.globalres...r-group/5402881

http://www.globalres...ilitary/5387874

 

I don't understand why people are surprised at this. The U.S. has since the cold war done everything they could to destabilise the region. And yet people fear ISIS lol

[Fast Jimmy]

Links.

http://theantimedia....ed-create-isis/
http://www.globalres...r-group/5402881
http://www.globalres...ilitary/5387874

I don't understand why people are surprised at this. The U.S. has since the cold war done everything they could to destabilise the region. And yet people fear ISIS lol

I would still not say the U.S. started ISIS, though. Al Quera in Iraq, he precursor the ISIS, was present and entrenched even before the U.S. invasion in 2003. And support was given to all resistance fighters to topple the Assad regime in Syria - it's not like the U.S. specifically picked out the most extreme Islamists intentionally... they helped out all sides of the resistance.

Did they choose very poor allies? Yes. Obviously. Did they know the risk of them being poor allies going into it? Yes. Obviously. But they didn't intentionally start ISIS or fund them, personally, as part of a larger plan. It's just one act of desperation to the next - that's been the U.S. policy in the Middle East for the better part of a century.

One could actually blame it on Europe and the League of Nations, who smashed apart the Ottoman Empire following WW1, despite US protests that doing so would be disastrous. The collapse of the most stable, equality-based and peaceful empires in the history of not just the Middle East, but all of Eurasia was the most monumentally stupid thing humanity has done since... well, since doing practically the same thing to African colonies just a few centuries prior.

[Ridwan]

I think it all just boils down to keeping the region unstable for the eventual invasion, or western influenced revolution, of Iran (I think the former is more likely) since Iran is the last resource heavy country that's not tied to the central banks. All wars are in the end, banking wars.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Even if USA is innocent here, Saudi Arabia and Qatar aren't. They have helped ISIS in many ways.