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[The Invader]

Well, it's been a while since I did research on them.
It was founded by Erik Prince, a guy with ties to all sorts of religious fundamentalist organizations he and his family have funded. A lot whom support Blackwater as an "End Times militia" of sorts.
After the firm was convicted of killing 17 Iraqi civilians, it underwent some name changes (ultimately settling on Academi) and was bought in 2010 by unknown investors. http://www.infowars....ater-worldwide/

Yeah, that's right. I forgot all about that. He was the one who wanted another Christian crusade against Islam wasn't he?

[Draining Dragon]

I would call ISIS barbarians, but quite frankly, that's an insult to barbarians everywhere.

[Fast Jimmy]

Yeah, that's right. I forgot all about that. He was the one who wanted another Christian crusade against Islam wasn't he?

Well, he's hardly alone in that, but yes. Saying that Middle East was the ground for a holy war all Christians were required to fight.

Ironically, he left the US after the sale of the company to live in the United Arab Emirates.

[Fast Jimmy]

I would call ISIS barbarians, but quite frankly, that's an insult to barbarians everywhere.

Minsc appreciates your courtesy.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Gabe Newell releases Half Life 3 but the only copy is sent to ISIS territory. Would ISIS be able to stop the gaming army that assembles from around the world? Find out in the next episode of Dragonball Z!
 
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Abdul-Ali-Azcar-Azzi-Abdullulhulululuhluluhuulhuluh bin Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Abdul 1st bin Osama Abdul: "Ay akbar khara! It's over 9000!"
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[Althix]

 

Independent German journalist Ken Jebsen declassified documents that prove that the Islamic State (ISIS) was the work of the US and its intelligence services.

[The Invader]

 
Independent German journalist Ken Jebsen declassified documents that prove that the Islamic State (ISIS) was the work of the US and its intelligence services.

Hmmm, I doubt an organization fueled by the sells of illegal narcotics, guns and slavery needs any help from the U.S. government but, hey I will bite. What proof does he have?

[Althix]

well you may always listen to the man. or read some wikipedia. basically all started with Afghan War of 1979. it is when US of A begin to fund Mujahideen. As result in late 1989 after some events we had Al-Qaeda and later on ISIS.

 

it's not something new.

 

anyway: What Ken was saying in this video:

organisation Judicial Watch forced "US goverment" to uncover some "secret documents". Documents which were held in secret since 2012 in some safe. And in these documents one may read that ISIS has been created by US of A in order to create opposition to Assad regime and remove Assad from power.

 

Now:

1) What is "US goverment"?

2) What documents?

3) Roots of the ISIS were clear to anyone who study the subject even casually. Even wikipedia have such info.

 

But i really like Ken's haircut.

[The Invader]

Wait, we funded the Mujahideen... dramatic pause, oh my god. Seriously though, I think people give the U.S. government way too much credit. If they want something they take it and make up some BS story like they did with Iraq and their WMDs.

[Jehuty]

No, in fact war is bad for the economy. This isn't the 1950's, we were spending over a billion a week during the surge. The reason that worked out in the forties and fifties is because we could mass produce everything at a low cost, and even then we had to use bonds to help pay for everything.

War itself is a business. I can't say you're wrong, but a war is an easy way to create jobs, get people working and so on and so forth. It does bring positives and negatives, and besides, we can easily make money selling weapons to other factions. That's why it can benefit us. As long as America isn't burning it can be beneficial. 

 

But if things get too costly, then that's when you start running out of resources. Once we get fighting, yes jobs are created and such, but again, you need money to give out, so I suppose it's a... double edged sword? Hmm? 

 

Again though, good detailed points are being made here, ones I haven't considered, so perhaps, I should maintain a more... neutral stance. 

[Jehuty]

I would call ISIS barbarians, but quite frankly, that's an insult to barbarians everywhere.

Goatf***ers are the term you are looking for. 

[X Equestris]

Wait, we funded the Mujahideen... dramatic pause, oh my god. Seriously though, I think people give the U.S. government way too much credit. If they want something they take it and make up some BS story like they did with Iraq and their WMDs.

Yeah, some people give the government, or the CIA, or whatever, far too much credit. Like everything has to be some big conspiracy or something.

[Fast Jimmy]

Again though, good detailed points are being made here, ones I haven't considered, so perhaps, I should maintain a more... neutral stance.

Ah, well that is admirable to be open to other thoughts and being more neutral in your respo...

Goatf***ers are the term you are looking for.

Ah. Well.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Actually if they really are hard line muslims airdrop tons and tons of bacon strips on them

 

They don't like bacon or pork do they?

 

And porn

 

Considering a lot of things ISIS do are haram I doubt they would care. They'd probably eat the bacon whilst performing sodomy with those girls they've got. I've heard they also have something called "anal jihad" where homosexual relations are permitted between each other when they're away from their "wives." Not to mention all their murder, rape and crimes against real Muslims plus people of the book. They're anything but Muslim.

[Fast Jimmy]

 ...plus people of the book. 

 

...so ISIS killed Dumbledore?!!!

 

 

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

[mybudgee]

------- > news flash: Religion without skepticism leads to madness/suffering. The End

[Ridwan]

Pentagon declassifies documents. Shills still claim that people that says the U.S. had a major hand in forming ISIS as conspiracy nut jobs. 
 

'Merica, **** yeah. The gulf of Tonkin incident never happened either, right?

 

You can either wake up and realise that U.S. has been involved in keep the region destabilised for decades, or keep being naive. I find it hilarious that none of you give a **** about the U.S. unanimous support of Saudi (to the point of kissing their king's hand), the same country that party funds ISIS.

[Jehuty]

Ah. Well.

It's what I call them... Not to sound unintelligent or anything, but it's the term currently used by me for them. 

 

Pentagon declassifies documents. Shills still claim that people that says the U.S. had a major hand in forming ISIS as conspiracy nut jobs. 
 

'Merica, **** yeah. The gulf of Tonkin incident never happened either, right?

 

You can either wake up and realise that U.S. has been involved in keep the region destabilised for decades, or keep being naive. I find it hilarious that none of you give a **** about the U.S. unanimous support of Saudi (to the point of kissing their king's hand), the same country that party funds ISIS.

That last part... interesting... perhaps I should perform some research. Well, we were willing to give nuclear materials to Iran, if I recall correctly, so I suppose anything is possible. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Pentagon declassifies documents. Shills still claim that people that says the U.S. had a major hand in forming ISIS as conspiracy nut jobs.

'Merica, **** yeah. The gulf of Tonkin incident never happened either, right?

Yes, and FDR had advanced knowledge of Pearl Harbor happening and did nothing to stop it.

If it wasn't these incidents, it would have been something else. When war is decided as a course of action, it's just a matter of waiting for a thunderstorm to use it as an excuse to Attack.

You can either wake up and realise that U.S. has been involved in keep the region destabilised for decades, or keep being naive. I find it hilarious that none of you give a **** about the U.S. unanimous support of Saudi (to the point of kissing their king's hand), the same country that party funds ISIS.

Yes, the U.S. has been in bed with the Saudis in a way that disgusts me.

But there wasn't an American watching the news that would have said we shouldn't have provided support to those protesting during the Arab Spring back in 2012. Everyone was rejoicing at the miracle of Twitter to allow people to overthrow dictatorships.

Again, you're acting like the US purposefully sought out the worst of the worst to arm and support, when in reality, the declassified documents don't support that. There were many groups, some with terrible intentions, so with good ones, but no evidence indicates that the U.S. was saying to themselves "let's make sure we topple a government and unleash the worst possible terrorists we can think of."

[Garryydde]

There's only one thing that can be done

[Eternal Phoenix]

------- > news flash: Religion without skepticism leads to madness/suffering. The End

 

So does any ideology if taken to the extreme. Secular ideologies are little different.

 

Extremism is the problem and that's a human condition.

[L. Han]

Yes, and FDR had advanced knowledge of Pearl Harbor happening and did nothing to stop it.

If it wasn't these incidents, it would have been something else. When war is decided as a course of action, it's just a matter of waiting for a thunderstorm to use it as an excuse to Attack.
 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the U.S. had plenty of reason to go to war against Japan prior the Pearl Harbor. The Japanese empire had a series of hostile take overs on various pacific islands and invaded the Philippines (with American soldiers and assets on it).

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I suspect some FIB agents are behind ISIS...

 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

[X Equestris]

------- > news flash: Religion without skepticism leads to madness/suffering. The End

Nah, it's extremism in any form, including secular and anti-theistic ideologies. The Soviet Union, Communist China, and the Khmer Rouge didn't need any religion to butcher millions,

Pentagon declassifies documents. Shills still claim that people that says the U.S. had a major hand in forming ISIS as conspiracy nut jobs. 
 
'Merica, **** yeah. The gulf of Tonkin incident never happened either, right?
 
You can either wake up and realise that U.S. has been involved in keep the region destabilised for decades, or keep being naive. I find it hilarious that none of you give a **** about the U.S. unanimous support of Saudi (to the point of kissing their king's hand), the same country that party funds ISIS.

People are still calling them nut jobs because they are attempting to claim that the US deliberately created ISIS for some nefarious end, when the reality is nothing of the sort, and they likely would have gotten off the ground without any aid. Not to mention that those folks have a disturbing tendency to pull out the "evil Zionist/Jews" card, which is a great way for them to discredit their own argument.

I really don't like the Saudi government, but there's absolutely nothing that can be done about it right now. The best that can be hoped for is that alternative fuel sources or different places of oil production make the need for Middle Eastern oil obsolete, and we can let the entire region economically wither on the vine.