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[Tonden_Ockay]

Hi

 

My group and I used to play Dark Sun all the time back in the day. There for, what I know about Forgotten Realms is very little. I have however been trying to search the internet for a point in time in Forgotten Realms when the Gods might have been extremely angry with man kind. So for I haven't had a lot of luck.

 

I thought instead of wasting a whole day searching the internet, why not check with you all since I am sure someone here should know enough about the Forgotten Realms Lore to help me out.

 

Thanks for your time.

[Tchos]

What, all of them?  I'm not an expert in the lore, but it doesn't seem reasonable that all of the gods would be united in anything, let alone the affairs of mortals.  They range across all possible alignments and have vastly different concerns.  If you just mean a few of the gods, then there may have been some such times.

[Tonden_Ockay]

Ok i guess it wouldn't have to be all the Gods.

 

I was looking at it kind of like the new Clash of the Titans movie when Zues unleashed Hades up on the world. 

 

Well any way this is what I was working on

 

 

    After the time of Troubles the Gods were so angry with mankind that they rained down meteors from the heavens, shook the very core of the world with devastating earthquakes, and sent forth a plague that just about completely devoured the rest of mankind. Great cities were lost and mankind was nearly wiped from the face of the earth.

 

    The humanoids that lived never forgot this day. For they knew the only reason they lived was because the Gods allowed them to. The message was clear the Gods were truly just that “ Gods “ and mankind would never even come close to matching their raw power.

 

    Some of the evil Gods saw an opportunity after this great devastation and took advantage of it. Which only helped to decreased the chances of mankind’s survival in this newly under populated world of ruins.

 

 

I'm not sure if after the time of troubles is the best place for this to take place but its what I have came up with so far. If there would be a better point in time please let me know.

 

I was just trying to make this idea fit with in the Forgotten Realms world. Trying to make it sound like it could happen. But I'm not a Forgotten Realms Lore fan so I wanted to ask someone who is that could help me make this some what fit in the lore.

 

Thanks 

[Tonden_Ockay]

I know as DM's we can do what ever we want. I just wanted to try and make it fit with in the Forgotten Realms Lore is all.  

[Tonden_Ockay]

    What about during the time of Troubles while the Gods were walking the earth unable to help the world, a large meteor shower rained down on the planet, causing devastating earthquakes.

 

    I was reading that meteors could cause earthquakes. So the idea would be that if there were enough meteors hitting the planet combined with huge amounts of earthquakes, plus large tidal waves could wipe out most of the large cities.

 

    Dust particles from the meteors filled the atmosphere causing a worldwide winter that lasted a few years. Due to decaying carcasses everywhere, food, and water supplies being contaminated diseases ran rampant. This combined with a winter that lasted a few year’s nearly wiped humanoids from the face of the earth.

 

This way the Gods would have had nothing to do with it and it would have been out of their control.

[Tchos]

The message was clear the Gods were truly just that “ Gods “ and mankind would never even come close to matching their raw power.
I was just trying to make this idea fit with in the Forgotten Realms world.

 

Hm, another thing you should keep in mind is that some of the Forgotten Realms gods originated via apotheosis.  This also happened in Greyhawk.  So that description cannot be correct.

[Tonden_Ockay]

Ok well this is what I have come up with then Tchos. It keeps the Gods out of it and from what I have learned about the world of Abeir-Toril in the past few days I think it would fit in the timeline as something that could have taken place.

 

I may change the name from The Alternate Realms to something like The World of Ruins, The Rebirth of the Realms, or something. I'm not 100% sold on the name for the campaign yet.

 

 

 

 

    The Alternate Realms Campaign takes place 37 years after the time of The Great Devastation in the world of Abeir-Toril (The Forgotten Realms Setting)

 

    During the time of Troubles while the Gods were stripped of their powers and forced to walk among mankind The Great Devastation happen. A meteor shower rained down on Abeir-Toril annihilated everything in their path and shook the very core of the world causing devastating earthquakes that leveled great cities to the ground. Tsunami’s were formed that reached heights of over 1720 feet that crushed everything along the coastlines. Dust particles from the meteors fill the atmosphere sending the whole planet into a winter that lasted for five long years. During this time a plague broke out among some of the humanoid races and devoured a good amount of the humanoids that managed to survive up to this point. Mankind was nearly wiped from the face of the earth. The humanoids that survived had to pick up the pieces and start completely over.  

   

    Once the Gods were back in power some of the evil Gods saw an opportunity after this great devastation and took advantage of it. Which only helped to decreased the chances of mankind’s survival in this newly under populated world of ruins.

[rogueknight333]

You might want to look into the Spellplague if you want to set something during a massive Faerun-wide disaster.

 

If you want to do something involving the anger of the gods specifically, it is true that it is hard to come up with anything on which all the gods would be united. Probably the closest you could come would be something like Karsus' Folly. One could imagine that what Karsus attempted might conceivably convince all or at least most of the gods that the mortals needed a lesson in humility. If you want to set what your are doing during some other period in Faerunian history, you could make up some other Archmage who attempted something similar.

[Tonden_Ockay]

Thanks " rogueknight333 " I will read over those two sites later on tonight and seen what I can come up with.

[kalbaern]

There were a handful of landscape changing events that occurred in Toril and more specifically Faerun over the ages, but most of these date back into what is basically the prehistory of this campaign setting. Mountains rose (volcanic and tectonic causes), a few times meteor impacts occurred and left a significant change as well as strong magics going amok. Other than the later, most of these predate the greater collection of deities around for the Time of Troubles though.

 

As Tchos pointed out, at least two mortals ascended to their godhood during the Time of Troubles and several more prior. Deities, in any D&D setting, while powerful, are never all powerful. They can be defeated (when and if circumstances align) by each other and though extremely rare, by mortals who then ascend in their place.

 

During the Time of Troubles, Wild Magic Zones, Dead Magic Zones and some general destruction did occur. Why not just escalate it? Perhaps as various gods battled in their avatar forms, they wrought greater destruction than sources recorded. Much would depend on the exact location(s) of your campaign as to what needs rewritten or changed from -sources-. So pick a time, pick a place/region and start from there. Keep in mind that official time lines and source books are meant to help jump start a campaign only. Technically, once the groundwork is laid out, its up to DMs and their players as to how the future unfolds. Source timelines can be followed, but are meant more for inspiration and aren't hard and fast rules.

[Tonden_Ockay]

Thanks " kalbaern " ya I don't really care about what point in time this takes place. What I am going for is a Medieval post apocalyptic world. Something like the move Mad Max, Postman, and so on just in a world with swords and magic, A world where few survived and had to start over from scratch. The evil Gods raised the dead from the ruins. There for, it wasn't save to return to the cities because they were full of undead.

 

Any way so the timeline when it happen doesn't really matter just as long as it some what makes since/fits.

 

The reason I was looking at calling it Alternate Realms was because if something like this would have happen then this is the alternate direction the realms would have went.

[MrZork]

Tsunami’s were formed that reached heights of over 1720 feet that crushed everything along the coastlines.

Hehe. That's sort of an exact number for tsunami height. ;-)

 

BTW, I echo the comments that the ToT isn't a great time to set things in terms of the gods being angry with mortals, since that was more of a gods vs. Ao and then gods vs. other gods conflict.

 

The events surrounding Karsus' casting of his level 12 spell may be a good setting. That fiasco resulted in the death of a major deity (though she was reborn soon after) and the loss of many potentially powerful worshippers, both things the gods might not look upon favorably. Of course, most of the powerful among the floating city dwellers weren't priests, as there was a disdain for divine magic among the Netherese of that time.

[Tonden_Ockay]

Ok so Karsus would be the best time for the Gods to step in and rain havoc on the world, basically restarting the world where mankind is concerned.

 

While the time of Troubles might work better for a rare chain of natural disasters that the Gods were unable to intervene in.

 

Now I'm not sure which would be the better way to go.

[kamal_]

Cyric and Kelemvor were mortals that achieved apotheosis and became gods. Mystra has a complicated story that involves mortals becoming the goddes of magic.

There has been one canon time when all the gods worked together, they managed to imprison Tharizdun. Officially that happened in the Greyhawk setting, but Tharizdun has made it to the Forgotten Realms setting.

As for the Spellplague, I could come up with a handful of remake the world ideas that would have fit into pre-existing lore off the top of my head. Asmodeus succeeding in his plan to drag Abeir-Toril into his plane, Tharizdun awakening and escaping, etc.

[werelynx]

Maybe: "Seeing the folly and lack of penance of God (avatars) during the time of troubles, Ao decided to not prevent inevitable collision of celestial bodies, resulting in metoer storm.."

Shifting the blame on the gods

[Tarot Redhand]

Well I don't know about meteors in the time of troubles but my wood elf ranger was squished by a rain of house sized boulders in a pnp module set in that time.

 

TR

[Tonden_Ockay]

Maybe: "Seeing the folly and lack of penance of God (avatars) during the time of troubles, Ao decided to not prevent inevitable collision of celestial bodies, resulting in metoer storm.."

Shifting the blame on the gods

 

I was thinking of having the meteor storm happen while the Gods were reduced to avatars. This way some people may blame the Gods thinking that they were punishing mankind or something, when in fact the Gods had nothing to do with it and were unable to prevent it.

 

But about this Ao God, so he is the one that keeps the balance? So if this is the case and something happen to him then the evil Gods could just run rampant?

[Tarot Redhand]

Try looking at the Forgotten Realms Wiki. It probably contains a lot of information to help you. For example click this link for information on Ao. It's got a decent search facility too. I just did a quick search and got this information on the time of troubles which gives a long list of deities. There is probably a lot more information on there that you will find useful.

 

TR

[Tonden_Ockay]

Thanks " Tarot Redhand "  I had just found that and was reading about the Time of Troubles right after my last post. Your right there is some good info on it.

[Tonden_Ockay]

Well this is what I have so far

 

 

 

[Tonden_Ockay]

Again I don't know if The Alternate Realms is the best name for this campaign I just picked it because I am alternating the timeline of the Forgotten Realms.

 

Other names I have thought of would be

 

World of Ruins (The world was left in ruins after the Great Devastation)

Realms in Ruins

The Rebirth of the Realms (It's been around hundred years after the Great Devastation and mankind is trying to rebuild)

[Tarot Redhand]

Nah, not sexy enough  . Here's a quick list of 5 titles for you.

 

Mad Pox 9 (Mad Max anyone)

Damnation Alley Faerun Style

The Deconstruction of Fallen Gods

Beyond Stardust

Legions of the Damned

 

TR

[Tarot Redhand]

Now I have a little more time I'll explain the thinking behind those titles. From your description this is to be set in a post-apocalyptic world so the first movie franchise that comes to my mind are the Mel Gibson "Mad Max" movies and you mention a plague. A famous disease on earth was Smallpox which is where the curse "A Pox on you!" comes from. Put those together and you get Mad Pox. I added the 9 simply because it sounded better and for no other reason.

 

One of my all time favourite sci-fi  books is Damnation Ally by Roger Zelazney (but the movie version directed by Jack Smight was god-awful). It too is set in a a post-apocalyptic world and details the journey across America from west to east of Hell Tanner. The purpose of this journey is to deliver a cure for a plague ravaging Boston. Hence Damnation Alley Faerun Style.

 

Babylon 5 had an episode called "The Deconstruction of Fallen Stars" which title I found interesting. By changing Stars to Gods makes it refer back to all the problems that the gods have posed in this setting.

 

As you said that the towns and cities are overrun with undead I came up with (all by myself - shock! Horror!  ) Legions of the damned as an appropriate name for your mod.

 

Finally (and my personal favourite), you mention a meteor storm, the dust of which caused a "nuclear" winter and a plague. Meteors are also referred to as shooting stars. Your module is set after those events and so is beyond them. All of which gives you Beyond Stardust.

 

TR

[MrZork]

One thing to consider in terms of the gods' role in the devastation that kills off most humanoids: The vast majority of FR gods need worshipers to maintain their power and their portfolios. Because of that, even gods whose portfolios include plague, destruction, war, etc. will tend to promote those things in ways that doesn't nearly wipe out humanity (or humanoidity). Meanwhile, any scheme by one or more of the destructive gods that would have the effect of wiping out a significant fraction of the other gods' worshipers is going to run into pretty significant opposition by those other gods.

 

I only mention this because it's possible that there is a better rationale for the post-apocalyptic environment you are trying to set up, one where the near-extinction-level destruction isn't caused by the gods themselves. The idea of a natural disaster like the asteroid impact works well. If the devastation has to be taken to the next level by a powerful extra-planetary or extra-planar force, then maybe someone like Tharizdun, Ilsensine, Orcus, or some alien species would fit the bill?

[WebShaman]

I would call it "The Ruined Realms".

 

As there are an infinite amount of Prime Material Worlds (ala Toril, Greyhawk, etc), this is easily enough done.

 

What you definitely need to do is establish a REASON that all the Gods would unite together.

 

I would suggest the Tharizdun idea, myself.  Say that Mankind had freed him from his imprisonment (make it up! Or even better, let your Players do it...hehe.  Great way to start a new campaign from an old one IMHO).

 

The Gods have to band together to re-imprision/defeat Tharizdun (which causes unbelievable damage to both Toril and the Planes) and the surviving Gods decide to punish the Prime Material for the deed.

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Tharizdun

 

And...I will make this up :

 

The Gods, in a desperate last bid to contain Tharizdun, bound him to Toril itself, which caused massive disruption planetwide.  Continents were broken, seas sundered, and calamities of all sorts broke out.  Populations were reduced to less than 1%, and survival became the only important thing to those still alive.

 

Due to the imprisoning of Tharizdun, the Gods then retreated from Toril, leaving it's inhabitants to their fate.  The ways to the Crystal Sphere itself were closed, and it became a dead, isolated place...alone, without gods or means of escape.  Only Tharizdun remained, imprisoned, but alive...