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[Shepard Lives]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Is it just me - or is this game getting overwhelming negative feedback?
It's gotten high review ratings - it was highly anticipated, and yet - it's receiving a flood of negative feedback unlike I've ever experienced.

I wonder what BioWare thinks about all this.

I think that people who enjoy the game are too busy playing it right now to give positive feedback.

[childofbhaal]

Striker257 wrote...

This is why more people are complaining on the bioware social network. Bioware has made almost entirely RPGs so of course big bioware fans are going to want and expect Mass Effect 2 to be an RPG like the first one. I haven't played it yet, but it sounds like a lot of the RPG elements were removed.

NB:This is not aimed at you specifically

I'm sorry, the first one barely qualified as an RPG under these SAME people's standards. Don't get me wrong, I was really fond of ME and I the same about ME2. I think ME2 was a better game begining to end. But RPG "like the first one" is a fallacious statment. Seriously, try playing through ME1 after you finish ME2. It won't be as rosy as you remember.

This is why I don't get the whining. Its a Hybrid. Deal with it.

[Malastare-]

Like other people have said: Release days bring out the people who dislike the game or are having troubles playing it. The rest of us are playing. How many times have you got a game on release day and --in the middle of a gaming session-- thought: "Oh god. I totally need to get to the forums and tell everyone how fun this is!"



With reviews (movies, games, gadgets, computer hardware) I've taken up a different strategy than most people: I ignore the five-star reviews and look at the one- and two-star reviews. Take an honest look at what they are complaining about and see how serious it truly is.



So, what are the biggest complaints so far?

- Troubles sorting out EA accounts (mostly affecting XBox360 users)

- Troubles getting some codes to register on the website

- Zaeed not being available for download (expected, he'll be available "soon")



None of those are even gameplay related. It gets harder to pick out the biggest gameplay complaints, but here are the ones I keep seeing:

- No option to make helmets invisible during conversation

- The scanning minigame is slow and uninspiring

- You can't change your squadmates' armor

- Reloading breaks game story

- There's no vehicle to play around in



Many of these are based on player preferences. Helmets and squad armor are mostly cosmetic complaints. Reloading is a story complaint. It's a change in the mechanic, but since dozens of other games use it, you can't really argue that its broken. All in all, the complaints are... minor. There are very few bug reports and the majority of them are easily worked around. No one is really complaining that the game is unplayable and very, very few are saying its unenjoyable.



If the game was truly worthy of negative feedback, there would be numerous reports of very serious problem. Since, even with the problems people are having with accounts and redeeming codes, the number of people complaining isn't really more than the number of people defending.... I'd say the response is pretty good.

[Veex]

The minority is always loudest. The people enjoying the game are actually playing it, not bothering to write forum posts.

[BountyHunter23]

I really just sick of the ignorant bullsh** people are spouting out on this forum. I see "mindless shooter" being thrown around all the time by the complainers. So would someone care to tell me where in ME1 were players actually had to think? I can name plenty of shooters with parts where you have to think, but for some odd reason ME doesn't ring a bell for me. ME was NOT a hard game even on insane. I mean these complainers would rather have unlimited ammo and no recoil to spray their weapon around at everything that moves without any consequences and they're calling shooters MINDLESS!? Are you people insane? I mean fine they may have toned down some of the old elements you loved in ME1 but don't blame it on the fact that they improved the combat and made it more shooter like. I mean seriously I'm pretty sure the first few people that beat CoD4 Mile High Club on Veteran had to do A LOT of thinking to beat it because you can't just run and gun through that crap.

Keep personal prejudice against shooters to yourself and then people will take your complaints about the downgraded RPG elements seriously.

Modifié par BountyHunter23, 27 janvier 2010 - 02:31 .

[D00MRoar]

If you don't like this game I don't know what to tell you. I can see being upset because things you wanted are not in the game. Even without heavy RPG elements its still a great game.

[Aratham Darksight]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Is it just me - or is this game getting overwhelming negative feedback?
It's gotten high review ratings - it was highly anticipated, and yet - it's receiving a flood of negative feedback unlike I've ever experienced.

I wonder what BioWare thinks about all this.

I take it you weren't here for the Dragon Age launch? It was much the same, lots and lots of angry rants about how disappointed people are and how "Bioware has dropped the ball on this one". The game is ugly, boring, cliched, buggy and lacking depth. You could easily get the impression that DA was the worst game in the world. What made things even more fun then was that the forums were also collapsing under the load, so people were angry about that, too.

My experience is that, more often than not, gaming forums look like this after launch. I don't think Bioware is terribly worried until more people have had the time to finish the game and cooler heads have had their say.

Also, it would probably be highly educational to count the total number of unique complaining people across all threads, because what usually happens is that each of them makes a thread and then they all post in each other's threads, arguing back-and-forth with defenders for pages.

Modifié par Aratham Darksight, 27 janvier 2010 - 02:41 .

[D00MRoar]

Malastare- wrote...

Like other people have said: Release days bring out the people who dislike the game or are having troubles playing it. The rest of us are playing. How many times have you got a game on release day and --in the middle of a gaming session-- thought: "Oh god. I totally need to get to the forums and tell everyone how fun this is!"

With reviews (movies, games, gadgets, computer hardware) I've taken up a different strategy than most people: I ignore the five-star reviews and look at the one- and two-star reviews. Take an honest look at what they are complaining about and see how serious it truly is.

So, what are the biggest complaints so far?
- Troubles sorting out EA accounts (mostly affecting XBox360 users)
- Troubles getting some codes to register on the website
- Zaeed not being available for download (expected, he'll be available "soon")

None of those are even gameplay related. It gets harder to pick out the biggest gameplay complaints, but here are the ones I keep seeing:
- No option to make helmets invisible during conversation
- The scanning minigame is slow and uninspiring
- You can't change your squadmates' armor
- Reloading breaks game story
- There's no vehicle to play around in

Many of these are based on player preferences. Helmets and squad armor are mostly cosmetic complaints. Reloading is a story complaint. It's a change in the mechanic, but since dozens of other games use it, you can't really argue that its broken. All in all, the complaints are... minor. There are very few bug reports and the majority of them are easily worked around. No one is really complaining that the game is unplayable and very, very few are saying its unenjoyable.

If the game was truly worthy of negative feedback, there would be numerous reports of very serious problem. Since, even with the problems people are having with accounts and redeeming codes, the number of people complaining isn't really more than the number of people defending.... I'd say the response is pretty good.

And those complaints are good and legitimate. With that being said its still a great game. I see posters saying because of these issues(to me are minor) they are going to return the game. Acting like the game is unplayable because of this. I guess its your loss then because ME2 is a ton of fun.

[Kalfear]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Is it just me - or is this game getting overwhelming negative feedback?
It's gotten high review ratings - it was highly anticipated, and yet - it's receiving a flood of negative feedback unlike I've ever experienced.

I wonder what BioWare thinks about all this.

It is sadly

Its a execelent game in most areas but the areas that are bad, are terrible and people are commenting on it from what I see.

The shooter crowd trying in vain to downplay the sheer hatred out there for the new ammo system but its pretty obvious they the ONLY ones wh like it and their in a huge minority.

Thats the main issue but game has other problems as well.

As I said, the RPG stuff in game is execelent but the shooter mechanics ruin the game in many fashions for what is a fastly growing amount of people

Modifié par Kalfear, 27 janvier 2010 - 02:36 .

[Johnson45]

Think of it this way: For every 10 declaring their hatred on the forums, there are a 100 thoroughly enjoying the game right now. I expected more negative feedback then whats been given tbh :L

[Marlina]

Kalfear wrote...

The shooter crowd trying in vain to downplay the sheer hatred out there for the new ammo system but its pretty obvious they the ONLY ones wh like it and their in a huge minority.

Haha, care to back that claim up with some facts? 

[Kalfear]

Johnson45 wrote...

Think of it this way: For every 10 declaring their hatred on the forums, there are a 100 thoroughly enjoying the game right now. I expected more negative feedback then whats been given tbh :L

If that was even remotely true, shooter fanatics would have never been able to get the changes to combat made as they filled up boards posting 50-60times a day each of them regarding ME1.

Fact is you have no idea how many enjoy game, how many play but have difficulties, how many buy and put aside unles they come to forums.

And those forums have not been in Biowares favor.

And thats from a long time Bioware supporter that wants to love this game but just cant ignore the drawbacks in this one.

In ME1 you could ignore the simplistic combat, in ME2 you cant ignore the simplistic combat combined with bad mechanics.

[Kalfear]

Marlina wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

The shooter crowd trying in vain to downplay the sheer hatred out there for the new ammo system but its pretty obvious they the ONLY ones wh like it and their in a huge minority.

Haha, care to back that claim up with some facts? 

Sure go read any post/thread commenting on game (there is a ton of them) there is same shooter fanatics trying to downplay the problems or insulting to poster.

Reading is your freind.

[DigitalMaster37]

Don't worry about the people who hate it, they won't go away, so just enjoy it for yourself and post positive feedback for BioWare. That is all.

[BountyHunter23]

Kalfear wrote...

Marlina wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

The shooter crowd trying in vain to downplay the sheer hatred out there for the new ammo system but its pretty obvious they the ONLY ones wh like it and their in a huge minority.

Haha, care to back that claim up with some facts? 

Sure go read any post/thread commenting on game (there is a ton of them) there is same shooter fanatics trying to downplay the problems or insulting to poster.

Reading is your freind.

I'm seeing RPG fanatics belittling shooter fans and people who actually like the game. Because apparently ME2 is a "mindless shooter" with it's improved AI, cover system, and heatsink ammo system whilest ME1 is for the "intelligent" gamers with it's unlimited ammo, recoiless weapons, and a cover system that the enemy ai doesn't seem to use much.

Modifié par BountyHunter23, 27 janvier 2010 - 02:54 .

[Aratham Darksight]

Marlina wrote...

Kalfear wrote...

The shooter crowd trying in vain to downplay the sheer hatred out there for the new ammo system but its pretty obvious they the ONLY ones wh like it and their in a huge minority.

Haha, care to back that claim up with some facts? 

Oh, that's easy. You just declare everyone who likes the heatsink system to be a "shooter fanatic".

There. Now it's true by definition. 

Modifié par Aratham Darksight, 27 janvier 2010 - 02:53 .

[v0rt3x22]

I take it you weren't here for the Dragon Age launch? It was much the
same, lots and lots of angry rants about how disappointed people are
and how "Bioware has dropped the ball on this one". The game is ugly,
boring, cliched, buggy and lacking depth. You could easily get the
impression that DA was the worst game in the world.

Haha yea - that's exactly why I made this thread - its hilarious to read some of this feedback.

[FlintlockJazz]

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

Personally I hate the fact that any one says I did not enjoy the game or was disappointed by X,Y or Z gets torn to pieces by blatant ranting fan boys. That kind of ruins this forum. It is OK to dislike stuff you know.

I have not played the game but am worried by a lot of the stuff I have seen to date especially ref trying to be Halo rather than what BW do best RPG's. I for one will reserve judgement till I get the game, but wish fan boys would stop trying to silence anything they do not want to listen to.

I actually do not have a problem with people disagreeing with me and feel any one over the age of 5 should have gotten over that kind of childish behaviour. I get the feeling a lot of folk on both sides sit with their fingers in their ears going lalalalalala I can't here you. I want to here both sides so I can get the full picture so grow up all of you (you know who I mean).

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the whole thing.  It helps keep things in perspective and stops me from overhyping the game to myself, otherwise I'll either end up disappointed that it doesn't meet up to my expectations or I'll try and delude myself that it does meet them and then get upset when someone points out the flaws to me/finally come back to my senses.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 27 janvier 2010 - 03:01 .

[Incognito_Panda]

In half a year or so, all those haters will look back and remember ME2 as one of the best games they'd ever played. You know it's true.

[BaronIveagh]

Interestingly enough, the metacritic user rating has continued to drop on this one. I suspect that the problem is that Bioware hyped it as an RPG and people are finding it shooterish. Normally that's a bad combo. ME1 made it work, but ME2 looks like it's having problems.



We'll see if she holds or is praised by critics and panned by the audience.

[jmood88]

CMD-Shep wrote...

all the negative feedback is from these message boards. Thus, it means next to nothing. People on here have been ****ing and moaning about this game BEFORE it even came out. Now that it has been released, did do you really expect them to stop?
Just ignore it and enjoy the game.
To hell with what others think.
I love this game.

Yeah all the whining on this site is hilarious, every other review and every other forum has nothing but overwhelming praise for the game.

Modifié par jmood88, 27 janvier 2010 - 03:07 .

[Bruno Hslaw]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

Personally I hate the fact that any one says I did not enjoy the game or was disappointed by X,Y or Z gets torn to pieces by blatant ranting fan boys. That kind of ruins this forum. It is OK to dislike stuff you know.

I have not played the game but am worried by a lot of the stuff I have seen to date especially ref trying to be Halo rather than what BW do best RPG's. I for one will reserve judgement till I get the game, but wish fan boys would stop trying to silence anything they do not want to listen to.

I actually do not have a problem with people disagreeing with me and feel any one over the age of 5 should have gotten over that kind of childish behaviour. I get the feeling a lot of folk on both sides sit with their fingers in their ears going lalalalalala I can't here you. I want to here both sides so I can get the full picture so grow up all of you (you know who I mean).

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the whole thing.  It helps keep things in perspective and stops me from overhyping the game to myself, otherwise I'll either end up disappointed that it doesn't meet up to my expectations or I'll try and delude myself that it does meet them and then get upset when someone points them out to me/finally come back to my senses.

To be honest one of the reasons I never buy on release day is that all the ranting stops a clear picture appearing of what is actually good or bad about the game.  It always takes me a while to see the pros and cons through the bull.

I liked (not loved,) ME1 but felt BW were going a bit RPG lite if you get me, but this new one seems more a shooter. I enjoy Halo as a shooter, my problem is I like a old fashioned RPG games from Bioware they are not Bungie. Like wise I would not like  Bungie doing a RPG. Just like I would hate to see Lionhead do FF13 or Rockstar a racing game. Horses for courses folks.

The guys at BW are just wrong, despite what EA wants, to go down this route. As a fan of FPS and RPG I for one do not want it all mashed up into one mess. 

[jmf4]

Barhador wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Is it just me - or is this game getting overwhelming negative feedback?
It's gotten high review ratings - it was highly anticipated, and yet - it's receiving a flood of negative feedback unlike I've ever experienced.

I wonder what BioWare thinks about all this.

You only hear people complaining because the people that is not complaining are actually playing the game instead of complaning.

The 96 Metascore speaks for itself.

QFT
The game has its falws but none of them are really that catostrophic. Despite them Mass Effect 2 will still most likely go down as one of my favorite games of all time.
Back to the game for me!

[BountyHunter23]

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

Personally I hate the fact that any one says I did not enjoy the game or was disappointed by X,Y or Z gets torn to pieces by blatant ranting fan boys. That kind of ruins this forum. It is OK to dislike stuff you know.

I have not played the game but am worried by a lot of the stuff I have seen to date especially ref trying to be Halo rather than what BW do best RPG's. I for one will reserve judgement till I get the game, but wish fan boys would stop trying to silence anything they do not want to listen to.

I actually do not have a problem with people disagreeing with me and feel any one over the age of 5 should have gotten over that kind of childish behaviour. I get the feeling a lot of folk on both sides sit with their fingers in their ears going lalalalalala I can't here you. I want to here both sides so I can get the full picture so grow up all of you (you know who I mean).

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the whole thing.  It helps keep things in perspective and stops me from overhyping the game to myself, otherwise I'll either end up disappointed that it doesn't meet up to my expectations or I'll try and delude myself that it does meet them and then get upset when someone points them out to me/finally come back to my senses.

To be honest one of the reasons I never buy on release day is that all the ranting stops a clear picture appearing of what is actually good or bad about the game.  It always takes me a while to see the pros and cons through the bull.

I liked (not loved,) ME1 but felt BW were going a bit RPG lite if you get me, but this new one seems more a shooter. I enjoy Halo as a shooter, my problem is I like a old fashioned RPG games from Bioware they are not Bungie. Like wise I would not like  Bungie doing a RPG. Just like I would hate to see Lionhead do FF13 or Rockstar a racing game. Horses for courses folks.

The guys at BW are just wrong, despite what EA wants, to go down this route. As a fan of FPS and RPG I for one do not want it all mashed up into one mess. 

Then start your own video game company, get a team, and make games yourself. BioWare has made so many hardcore RPGs and you have a problem with them trying something different?