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[RogueAI]

Negative things about the game = negative feedback. If someone has a problem with the game, they come to these forums for feedback. Welcome to the internet...

[Tasker]

jmood88 wrote...

... every other review and every other forum has nothing but overwhelming praise for the game.

That may be true and no doubt a lot of that praise is earned, but most of us aren't moaning about wether it's a bad game or not, but rather that it's too different to ME1 and isn't a true sequel.

Also, don't forget that EA s a huge company and most of the review magazines rely on them for advertising revenue.  Would you bite the hand that fed you?

[Striker257]

This is exactly how I feel. I like to play shooters and RPGS. But when I want to play a shooter its to shoot stuff. When I go to play an RPG it is to experience a lot of the roleplay dynamics. Dice rolls to determine hitting or not, figuring out the best combination to build a class when leveling. Conversation choices to impact the game.

Bioware has always been an RPG developer which is what I buy their games to experience. There are plenty of shooters on the market. There aren't as many quality RPGs.

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

Personally I hate the fact that any one says I did not enjoy the game or was disappointed by X,Y or Z gets torn to pieces by blatant ranting fan boys. That kind of ruins this forum. It is OK to dislike stuff you know.

I have not played the game but am worried by a lot of the stuff I have seen to date especially ref trying to be Halo rather than what BW do best RPG's. I for one will reserve judgement till I get the game, but wish fan boys would stop trying to silence anything they do not want to listen to.

I actually do not have a problem with people disagreeing with me and feel any one over the age of 5 should have gotten over that kind of childish behaviour. I get the feeling a lot of folk on both sides sit with their fingers in their ears going lalalalalala I can't here you. I want to here both sides so I can get the full picture so grow up all of you (you know who I mean).

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the whole thing.  It helps keep things in perspective and stops me from overhyping the game to myself, otherwise I'll either end up disappointed that it doesn't meet up to my expectations or I'll try and delude myself that it does meet them and then get upset when someone points them out to me/finally come back to my senses.

To be honest one of the reasons I never buy on release day is that all the ranting stops a clear picture appearing of what is actually good or bad about the game.  It always takes me a while to see the pros and cons through the bull.

I liked (not loved,) ME1 but felt BW were going a bit RPG lite if you get me, but this new one seems more a shooter. I enjoy Halo as a shooter, my problem is I like a old fashioned RPG games from Bioware they are not Bungie. Like wise I would not like  Bungie doing a RPG. Just like I would hate to see Lionhead do FF13 or Rockstar a racing game. Horses for courses folks.

The guys at BW are just wrong, despite what EA wants, to go down this route. As a fan of FPS and RPG I for one do not want it all mashed up into one mess. 

[Bruno Hslaw]

BountyHunter23 wrote...

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Bruno Hslaw wrote...

Personally I hate the fact that any one says I did not enjoy the game or was disappointed by X,Y or Z gets torn to pieces by blatant ranting fan boys. That kind of ruins this forum. It is OK to dislike stuff you know.

I have not played the game but am worried by a lot of the stuff I have seen to date especially ref trying to be Halo rather than what BW do best RPG's. I for one will reserve judgement till I get the game, but wish fan boys would stop trying to silence anything they do not want to listen to.

I actually do not have a problem with people disagreeing with me and feel any one over the age of 5 should have gotten over that kind of childish behaviour. I get the feeling a lot of folk on both sides sit with their fingers in their ears going lalalalalala I can't here you. I want to here both sides so I can get the full picture so grow up all of you (you know who I mean).

This is pretty much exactly how I feel about the whole thing.  It helps keep things in perspective and stops me from overhyping the game to myself, otherwise I'll either end up disappointed that it doesn't meet up to my expectations or I'll try and delude myself that it does meet them and then get upset when someone points them out to me/finally come back to my senses.

To be honest one of the reasons I never buy on release day is that all the ranting stops a clear picture appearing of what is actually good or bad about the game.  It always takes me a while to see the pros and cons through the bull.

I liked (not loved,) ME1 but felt BW were going a bit RPG lite if you get me, but this new one seems more a shooter. I enjoy Halo as a shooter, my problem is I like a old fashioned RPG games from Bioware they are not Bungie. Like wise I would not like  Bungie doing a RPG. Just like I would hate to see Lionhead do FF13 or Rockstar a racing game. Horses for courses folks.

The guys at BW are just wrong, despite what EA wants, to go down this route. As a fan of FPS and RPG I for one do not want it all mashed up into one mess. 

Then start your own video game company, get a team, and make games yourself. BioWare has made so many hardcore RPGs and you have a problem with them trying something different?

Get back in your pram I'll get your dummy.

Prime example of the dumb fan boys I was talking about. Really you make a great example, thanks for the demonstration of stupidity we always get on here . Bravo.

[rockchild123]

I seriously reconsidered posting anything to this thread but I felt a little compelled.  Besides the code redemption issues the only thing that I would have a little complaining about is the scanning of planets for elements.  This is so boring to me !  Now I know that BW had alot of feed back from ME1 and if reflected the same environments including the ones where you explored a planet that you drove the lander on however, a roatating planet with a targeting system.  I would have like to see at least some graphics like a small shuttle that flew around.  I would even prefered it in a 2D environment rather then the probes.  Any thoughts?

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

There was bound to be a lot of negative feedback when the game changed from being primarily a rpg to shooter combat. Of course fans who are primarily shooter fans were happy about the combat changes. Rpg fans weren't. People can spin things however they want, but that is the fact.



The minigames were also changed into being about fast reflexes. So if someone has slow refexes they are screwed.



I like both shooters and rpgs. I am liking the game so far though my adept is only level 8.

[rockchild123]

I seriously reconsidered posting anything to this thread but I felt a little compelled. Besides the code redemption issues the only thing that I would have a little complaining about is the scanning of planets for elements. This is so boring to me ! Now I know that BW had alot of feed back from ME1 and if reflected the same environments including the ones where you explored a planet that you drove the lander on however, a roatating planet with a targeting system. I would have like to see at least some graphics like a small shuttle that flew around. I would even prefered it in a 2D environment rather then the probes. Any thoughts?

[jmood88]

Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

There was bound to be a lot of negative feedback when the game changed from being primarily a rpg to shooter combat. Of course fans who are primarily shooter fans were happy about the combat changes. Rpg fans weren't. People can spin things however they want, but that is the fact.

The first game was a ****ing shooter and they drastically improved that aspect.

[rockchild123]

I agree the first game was a shooter but alot of the exploration that comes with a RPG is left out as well.

[Woodfox1979]

The game is great...in spite of everything BioWare has done to muck it up in the first 48 hours.

[McR Spartan092]

 To be honest maybe the whole shooter thing with the RPG elements, was what Bioware was trying to do in the first place with ME1. That obviously didn't work, because the shooting was horrid. I think everyone's had their say now, the forum is saturated with these kind of threads because some people are being negative.

Think about now they've got the shooting mechanics right, ME3 will be legendary once they mix in the deep RPG elements, possibly even deeper than the first two games. I know people want bang for their buck, but come on people, the game is still enjoyable and they are really trying with all the dlc. Not many game developers get dlc coming out so early.

I love shooters and RPG's and I think the game is brill, fair enough armor dlc is annoying and it's still not got the mechanics of gears so people who think it has calm down, but overall it's pretty good. Finally for everyone who thinks there just trying to appeal to a wider audience, trust me I know a lot of people with 360's and a lot of them don't know **** about ME1 or ME2 let alone DA:O, so that is not the reason.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Am I the only one that likes the fact that my teammates only have one armor and it upgrades, personally I like the continuity it provides w/in the story.

[McR Spartan092]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Am I the only one that likes the fact that my teammates only have one armor and it upgrades, personally I like the continuity it provides w/in the story.

I agree with you dude, in ME1 i ended up using that glitch and got evrey1 wearing colossus armor anyway!

[Subject One]

I don't understand anything about this 'official' forum. I would understand some constructive topics about doing some things in a different way but, seriously, ME2 is having glowing reviews everywhere and if you read these forums you can think that is a piece of crap because now combat is based on 'action' and not 'stats'. OK, this isn't Baldur's Gate in space, but is a really fun game, one of the best of its generation. And a truly innovative game too.



Do you want to play a sequel that is a piece of crap? Try Devil May Cry 2. But, Jesus, try to put all the whining in 1 topic. This is just unbearable.

[RogueAI]

Is it just me, or does it seem that there are actually more fanboys on this site than usual.

If you think it is an amazing game. Why aren't you playing it now?

Modifié par RogueAI, 27 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .

[Mikka-chan]

Man, I remember this happening back with Baldur's Gate II. (And then Throne of Bhaal.) There were pages after pages of complaints about how it wasn't AD&D and it wasn't third edition, just some horrible compromise. Aerie, Anomen, Jaheria, and... I think Haer'Dalis?... were all somehow the Worst Character Ever And Bioware Should Be Disappointed That They Wrote Them. There was actual *sex* in the game, and that totally didn't belong in an RPG and relationships were only for losers who couldn't get any in real life! And that stupid opening dungeon was the most horrible thing ever and Ir'y wasn't Sarevok! There was too much dialog! The game was too long, but not long enough! Not enough wandering mildlessly through wilderness levels! Etc, etc, etc.

Now most people remember the BG series as one of their favorite games. I bet the same thing will happen to Mass Effect, honestly. KOTOR got the same thing, and KOTOR seems to be massively adored.

[Wishpig]

Come on... I can't believe you guys didn't see this coming. There are always a few games a year that are major MAJOR block busters. We're talking the Halo's, the world of warcraft's, the starcraft's, the modern warfares... the BIG dogs of the gaming industry.



The forums of these big games are always full of unbelievable loads of bashing shortly after release. Honestly, I don't know why. If a game sucks and disapoints me, last thing I want to do is waste time on it's forum post-release. So, like I said, I dunno why people feel the need to stay and whine continuously. Don't get me wrong, bad feedback is good feedback sometimes, but you guys know that many people take this WAY over the top.



Thats just how it works. You should have seen this coming. People like to whine and **** and moan, and sadly it makes the devs not give a rats ass what people on this forum say, because their games getting rave reviews and selling faster then paula abdul drops her pants... so why would they put faith in a bunch of crazy forum jerks?

[coinop25]

I have to chime in to agree that the response seems to have been very positive overall, and that it's minority of people who are complaining more than fawning. I do think it's reasonable to point out what you think could be better -- in fact, I'd say ME2 is full of stuff that feels like a direct response to fan input, right down to bathrooms on the Normandy. I don't think that the tone of a lot of the recent negative feedback here has been as constructive as it could be, though.

Personally, I'd happily contribute to a thread of "stuff that would be neat to address in ME3 or a patch" or "stuff I miss from ME1," but I think there's a difference between a thread with thoughtful critiques and a thread with outraged demands.

[grieferbastard]

Why? Because RPG fans are hugely vocal. ME1 was more RPG than TPS and so had a good sized RPG fanbase. ME2 is a TPS with a good story. It's not an RPG. Neither is Borderlands for that matter. That's not bad, just that there was a lot of RPG talk in the marketing.

RPG fans feel cheated and, as it's not hard to tell, want to make absolutely certain everyone who has access to the internet knows it and that it's the worst thing to ever happen to anyone, ever, in the history of forever.

ME2 is a TPS with a strong story element that's designed more for the console experience than the PC one. That's not bad. It's not an RPG any more than Halo was an RPG. It may have more storytelling cutscenes, but that doesn't make it an RPG. The problem is NOT that ME2 isn't an awesome game. it is an awesome game. It's that you need to judge it based on what it was designed to be. DA:O was a crappy hack and slash. the combat is decent but not exceptional. If you bought it because you wanted to kill orcs and collect piles of loot and just level forever you'd be sorely disappointed.

I hope ME2 absolutely owns the FPS/TPS market, I hope it blows sales for Modern Warfare and Halo out of the water and makes BioWare/EA a huge pile of money. I think the story is great. It's not the epic that ME1 was, nor is it an RPG, nor even a game optomized for the PC, but that's only a bad thing if you want an RPG and not a TPS and you do all your gaming on the PC. If I had an xbox and was a big TPS fan the only complaint I would have about ME2 was that I couldn't roll it up and smoke it.

Awesome game. Tops of its genre, no question. The negative feedback is due to the marketing mistake of calling it an RPG and attracting a group of people with completely different expectations.

[elemental150]

I like the game and think it is great. It is really different then the first but by no means does that make it a bad game....



I also hate how every time someone likes the changes and differences of a sequel, that other more vocal people don't, they get labeled as fanboys...which doesn't makes sense at all

[klossen4]

Was it not much negative feedback on dragon age i remember it after launch.

[Rendar666]

To be honest, they took out a lot of important RPG elements that most of us are missing. Giving your team mates armor for one. I totally thought you could but... nope. There's no inventory at all. The game is great and all but I sorely miss these things.

[BaronIveagh]

grieferbastard wrote...

Why? Because RPG fans are hugely vocal. ME1 was more RPG than TPS and so had a good sized RPG fanbase. ME2 is a TPS with a good story. It's not an RPG. Neither is Borderlands for that matter. That's not bad, just that there was a lot of RPG talk in the marketing.

RPG fans feel cheated and, as it's not hard to tell, want to make absolutely certain everyone who has access to the internet knows it and that it's the worst thing to ever happen to anyone, ever, in the history of forever.

ME2 is a TPS with a strong story element that's designed more for the console experience than the PC one. That's not bad. It's not an RPG any more than Halo was an RPG. It may have more storytelling cutscenes, but that doesn't make it an RPG. The problem is NOT that ME2 isn't an awesome game. it is an awesome game. It's that you need to judge it based on what it was designed to be. DA:O was a crappy hack and slash. the combat is decent but not exceptional. If you bought it because you wanted to kill orcs and collect piles of loot and just level forever you'd be sorely disappointed.

I hope ME2 absolutely owns the FPS/TPS market, I hope it blows sales for Modern Warfare and Halo out of the water and makes BioWare/EA a huge pile of money. I think the story is great. It's not the epic that ME1 was, nor is it an RPG, nor even a game optomized for the PC, but that's only a bad thing if you want an RPG and not a TPS and you do all your gaming on the PC. If I had an xbox and was a big TPS fan the only complaint I would have about ME2 was that I couldn't roll it up and smoke it.

Awesome game. Tops of its genre, no question. The negative feedback is due to the marketing mistake of calling it an RPG and attracting a group of people with completely different expectations.

Unfortunetly, as someone who plays on PC and gets serious motion sickness from FPS games, it would have been handy to know this before shelling out 64 non-refundable dollars to get the CE version.  Since Bioware spent a lot time and EA's money telling us this was an RPG.

[pilot2fly]

Most of the things I have read about so far are just nitpicky little things that Bioware could patch.  I love this game...possibly more so than the first Mass Effect.  The cinematics are great, I feel I'm really intune with Shepard and my crew.  The gameplay is amazing (although I HATE that the Normandy has to buy fuel every 10 seconds, diminishing my credits) and I really like the RPG/Shooter feel that Bioware has given this game.  Rock on and keep it comin' Bioware!

[Clumsy Ninja]

In the console forums I frequent, many insecure PS3 owners are spewing bile about it simply out of jealousy. These are typically the same people that talk about how M.A.G. is the greatest game ever made. I tried the beta, and there's just no question about which game is more entertaining. (In my humble opinion.)