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[Qun00]

He's an archer.

[Xilizhra]

Why do other people's elves not pump Morrigan for more information about elven lore after she reveals that she knows so much, yet doesn't reveal anything of what that actually is? I've been trying to figure this out, but it's not easy.

[TEWR]

Why do other people's elves not pump Morrigan for more information about elven lore after she reveals that she knows so much, yet doesn't reveal anything of what that actually is? I've been trying to figure this out, but it's not easy.

 

Honestly Morrigan's 'expertise' comes across as being just all bluster because aside from one scene regarding the Eluvians being shut off by the Elves (if she drinks) everything she reveals about the Dalish is fundamentally basic and **** they grew up learning.

 

Me personally, I just have Morrigan drink from the Well along with Nasir Cadash, Marisa Lavellan, Merrill, Lysa Mahariel, Velanna, and Vanessa Surana. 

[Xilizhra]

Honestly Morrigan's 'expertise' comes across as being just all bluster because aside from one scene regarding the Eluvians being shut off by the Elves (if she drinks) everything she reveals about the Dalish is fundamentally basic and **** they grew up learning.

 

Me personally, I just have Morrigan drink from the Well along with Nasir Cadash, Marisa Lavellan, Merrill, Lysa Mahariel, Velanna, and Vanessa Surana. 

The stuff about the Eluvians isn't known by everyone, though; no one in the Sabrae clan knew about it in DAO.

[TEWR]

The stuff about the Eluvians isn't known by everyone, though; no one in the Sabrae clan knew about it in DAO.

 

I know. My point is that what Morrigan said in the Temple doesn't make her come across as knowing more then anyone else. That scene actually doesn't just require that she drink, but also that she not have Kieran. So it's not something that will always be seen, and more then likely the only thing people will hear from her is her going "Mythal is a goddess of justice.... and this is Falon'din, Friend of the Dead" and other ****.

 

The Eluvian thing is the only new bit of lore that even marks her as knowing something else that the Dalish don't... and it's only seen under select circumstances. Therefore, though Morrigan does know some stuff that isn't commonly known, without that scene what a Lavellan will hear is stuff that really won't make them believe her claims of expertise -- and why would they? She doesn't give them anything to back it up.

[themageguy]

Does anyone have any information regarding Tirashan Elves?

Thanks

[Uccio]

Honestly Morrigan's 'expertise' comes across as being just all bluster because aside from one scene regarding the Eluvians being shut off by the Elves (if she drinks) everything she reveals about the Dalish is fundamentally basic and **** they grew up learning.

 

Me personally, I just have Morrigan drink from the Well along with Nasir Cadash, Marisa Lavellan, Merrill, Lysa Mahariel, Velanna, and Vanessa Surana. 

 

Well it is not that big secret apparently since even qunari know how to use them. Then we have the pinnacle of magic in Thedas, Tevinter Imperium. Whom have apparently studied them for centuries but still don´t know how to use them. So it is kind of selective talent it seems.

[Gervaise]

Back in DAO Duncan maintained the eluvian there had links with Tevinter.   He could have just been wrong or may be he had knowledge to back that up, even if it didn't actually apply to that particular eluvian.    I can't see that Tevinter would have been running around scooping up ancient elven artefacts and lore from the remnants of the elven empire and not stumble on to eluvians at some point.   What could have put them off is that in  Masked Empire they have a peculiar effect on anyone who is not elven, something that wasn't carried over into either the main game or Trespasser.    All they did have is that elves could see the surroundings in colour whereas for non-elves it should have been monochrome.   I haven't played a non elf through Trespasser yet so I don't know how that plays out for them.   However, they could make it that the anchor also gives you the ability to see as an elf does.

 

Actually what I like about Trespasser is that on the whole it vindicates what the Dalish believe for the most part, particularly about Fen'Harel.   He might have been a rebel hero to his own followers but ultimately he was the god of misfortune for the elven people by depriving them of their gods.   Okay so they don't remember how bad their "gods" were and put the blame of the fall of the empire on humans, although you could hardly blame them for that after millennia of being enslaved by them.   Plus there was a remnant of elves in the Forest of Arlathan that clashed with the ancient Tevinter Empire and was crushed by them, so that is where their memories were coming from.  

 

There is also a forward to the Canticle of Shartan in WoT2 that suggests the story of Shartan in there may have been interwoven with an earlier ancient elven folk tale of a "rebellion against tyrants led by a trickster warrior".     The Canticle wasn't written down until the early years of the Chantry at the instigation of the first Divine, probably for political reasons to convince the increasingly hostile Dales that not only did she honour Shartan's contribution but that he was a disciple of Andraste.    I have already outlined on another post how if you substitute the names of Fen'Harel for Shartan, Mythal for Andraste, enavuris for magister/Tevinter and Arlathan for Minrathous, you can see where the similarities are and how much of it is likely to be drawn from that earlier time, considering that practically everything historical in the main chant probably also bears little relation to actual events.    However, initially the Chantry would have liked this version of Shartan because he seems to have a much greater friendship with Andraste and has joined her rebellion before the battle of the Valarian Fields, when according to Sister Petrine the elves only came into the picture when they changed sides (Shartan and his elves being a slave division of the army) mid-way through the battle.  Naturally this rebellion "behind enemy lines" would have come as something of a surprise to the magisters directing the battle, when the slaves who were meant to be protecting them suddenly weren't.     However, building up the discipleship and contribution of Shartan later proved politically embarrassing, so that is why the Canticle was dropped.   Still it turns out the Canticle was never part of the original Chant anyway.     As a record of Shartan it is questionable but as an elven folktale of earlier times it is really quite interesting.

[Qun00]

Well, the potential is there.

Morrigan should be able to dig deeper into that elven library in her head, just give it time.

[LobselVith8]

Does anyone have any information regarding Tirashan Elves?

Thanks

Only what little is mentioned in the Last Court, which is fairly vague (although it may be a good place for the clans to relocate to if things go pear shaped in the Andrastian kingdoms).

We know very little about a lot concerning the Dalish; for example, they still haven't elaborated on the philosophy of those who follow Sylaise's code known as Vir Atish'an, "The Way of Peace".

[Reznore57]

Well it is not that big secret apparently since even qunari know how to use them. Then we have the pinnacle of magic in Thedas, Tevinter Imperium. Whom have apparently studied them for centuries but still don´t know how to use them. So it is kind of selective talent it seems.

 

Tevinter might have unlocked the Eluvians at one point.

The thing about Tevinter is...just like the elves they did lost part of their lore .

They were at their peak a bit before  Corypheus time , and they started to decline .

 

First they started bickering among themselves , the magisters were already fond of killing each others.

Then Tevinter started to turn away from the Old Gods.

Then Cory , the Blight started , Tevinter suffered and lost territories.I imagine people who regained their freedom in the South started burning or destroying signs of Tevinter occupation.

They also had less and less dreamers being born.

Then Andraste push that even further.

 

Then they converted to the Chantry , and the altus (the most powerful mages ) suffered a witch hunt.

After a couple hundred of years the surviving altus regain power but I imagine they did lost much , before in city like Kirkwall they were openly trying to thin the veil, killing hundreds of slaves.

After the convertion , those kind of thing were forbidden .

[Qun00]

One thing I know for certain is that I will change my Dalish Warden's name when I revisit the character.

"Theron" just... doesn't seem genuinely elven. It just bothers me that this name exists in the real world.

[rpgfan321]

A thought occured to me and wondered if music in Dalish culture has been discussed by this thread?

 

Obviously there are songs and choral music in Dalish, but I was wondering about instruments. I don't remember seeing a lot of instruments from the games. Being a nomadic culture, I doubt they don't have anything big and sluggish to carry like harps or piano. Maybe more toward woodwinds? Like ocarinas? Wouldn't music and the arts be part of Dalish search for lost lore?

[Ghost Gal]

A thought occured to me and wondered if music in Dalish culture has been discussed by this thread?

 

Obviously there are songs and choral music in Dalish, but I was wondering about instruments. I don't remember seeing a lot of instruments from the games. Being a nomadic culture, I doubt they don't have anything big and sluggish to carry like harps or piano. Maybe more toward woodwinds? Like ocarinas? Wouldn't music and the arts be part of Dalish search for lost lore?

 

Since the Dalish are a rather small tribal culture with Romani, African, and Native American undertones, I assume they have rather tribal music, with drums and such.

 

A woman named Josie Evelyn has created beautiful Dalish music (shown in the DA fan creation forums), and I feel like she really captures the tribal tone with Vir Assan, a Dalish war song, and a song about Arlathan. She also made a pretty Dalish Inquisitor song, a Dalish love song, and a Dalish lullaby.

 

(In headcanon, I imagine one of my girl's favorite parts about being Dalish was being able to feast and play music and dance around the fire, to the beat of drums.)

[Cembrye]

Here is my female Lavellan.

 

 

Backstory:  Tadweir Lavellan is one of the best hunters and trackers in the clan.  But while she tries to stay committed to Dalish principles, she has come to question whether they are realistic any longer.  She has seen too much of the world now to think the Dalish can ever return things to what they were.  But she is uncertain what the alternative path would be.

 

[Why Identify with Elves? They provide a wide range for interesting motivations.  They exemplify the challenge faced by any defeated culture or group - assimilate or resist?]

 

[Game models: I like them - not perfect but much better than DA:O  I also like fact Elves can look different from humans besides the pointy ears.]

 

For the next game:  She'd like to see the Elves make a real grab for power or attempt at a comeback, but not necessarily in hostility to humans.  Her experiences as Inquisitor have changed her and made her a supporter of peaceful relations between elves and humans.

 

Sentinel Elves: She remains uncertain

 

Integration with humans: She doesn't see that as realistic given that the offspring are always human.  The Elves need to stay separate or they cease to exist.

 

Worship: Tadweir still formally worships the Dalish Gods, but always has been rather agnostic and has become even more so as Inquisitor.

[Qun00]

What would be a good color for a blonde elf's vallaslin?

[Vit246]

What would be a good color for a blonde elf's vallaslin?

 

Green or blue.

[BloodKaiden]

What would be a good color for a blonde elf's vallaslin?

I'd say Green.

[d1ta]

What would be a good color for a blonde elf's vallaslin?

Hmm, I'm a minority in this one I think, but maybe dark chocolate? Or ash? (Like the color of some tribal tattos) I prefer sticking to dark/earthy tones for dudes, but that's just me.

Btw, since you're not fond of 'Theron', what about 'Rhovaneth Mahariel' instead (name means 'wilderness' according to some sindar/tolkien elven site) just my 0.02

Edit: or Aegon (sharp point), Amarthanor (Fate/doom).. I could go on, on this one. I love searching names for my toons. Not only they have to have a nice roll on the tongue, but mostly, it has to have a good meaning behind it

[Qun00]

Green or blue.

I'd say Green.

Yeah, I'd say that cold colors make the most sense.

Hmm, I'm a minority in this one I think, but maybe dark chocolate? Or ash? (Like the color of some tribal tattos) I prefer sticking to dark/earthy tones for dudes, but that's just me.
Btw, since you're not fond of 'Theron', what about 'Rhovaneth Mahariel' instead (name means 'wilderness' according to some sindar/tolkien elven site) just my 0.02
Edit: or Aegon (sharp point), Amarthanor (Fate/doom).. I could go on, on this one. I love searching names for my toons. Not only they have to have a nice roll on the tongue, but mostly, it has to have a good meaning behind it

You basically mean neutral colors, then.

Thanks for offering alternatives, but I've found a decent name with the help of good ol' Tolkien.

[Dooq]

I used a sort of grey-blue for my Neva Lavellan.

[Qun00]

I've been wondering if it is unfitting for a Dalish elf to take the ranger specialization.

The codex says "We aren't stewards of nature. We take advantage of the enviroment and lure in animals to fight our enemies". On the other hand, the Way of the Three Trees teaches one to respect " Andruil's children".

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I know. My point is that what Morrigan said in the Temple doesn't make her come across as knowing more then anyone else. 

It did to me, honestly. I mean, that might be my meta-gaming talking, but I found Morrigan very believable in her claims. And to be fair she doesn't say she knows more than everyone else EVER. She's just of the opinion that she's most knowledgeable of the people there and available to drink the well. Which you can disagree with. Probably will, if you're a First.

 

My Lavellan was a hunter, and Solas was the only other mage in the group, and he was being him and not giving her alternatives. Morrigan was a mage, clearly expressed an interest in preserving and understanding old magics, and seemed to know a great deal about elven magic in particular, if her artifacts at the winter palace and her possession of a working eluvian she'd actually managed to restore herself were taken into account.

 

Taking everything I'd seen and heard from Morrigan, from the palace till the temple, made it clear she definitely knew more than my Lavellan and her companions did. (Except for Solas, but he wasn't talking.) Again, if you are a clan First, you can make an argument that you think you know more than she does. It doesn't necessarily mean you do or you don't, but Morrigan doesn't come off as a know-nothing either way.

[Lady Luminous]

So my first Solas-mancing elf starting distrustful of humans, and got darker, and darker. Lost her clan, gave up her vallaslin (her one real memory of home), and then lost Solas. Found Solas, only to have him reject her again, even though she'd stay by his side through every crazy plan. That was my Aithne.

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With my Eibhlin, I want her to be outgoing and open, curious, and willing to learn about human culture. I want her to grow and find light, even in the dark. She's inspired by playful water nymphs; I hope Solas likes alterna-elves.

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