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[The Ascendant]

I am curious about the Forbidden Ones. If the Creators/Evanuris were powerful elven mages, were the Forgotten Ones a rival group of mages who sought to gain more power for themselves? Or are they like the Forbidden Ones? Former elves who became spirits to avoid the Evanuris. 

[Mistic]

I am curious about the Forbidden Ones. If the Creators/Evanuris were powerful elven mages, were the Forgotten Ones a rival group of mages who sought to gain more power for themselves? Or are they like the Forbidden Ones? Former elves who became spirits to avoid the Evanuris. 

 

Mm, good question, since the Forbidden Ones and the Forgotten Ones are two different groups. The former seem to be elves that abandoned their bodies to flee some disaster and became demons, but they don't seem to be as powerful as the Evanuris. However, the later, from the tales, look capable of facing the Evanuris as equals in power.

 

It's interesting to see that a tale in Mythal's temple had Andruil already hunting the Forgotten Ones. And they were worshipped in secret in the times of the Dales kingdom. And a mission in The Last Court suggest there are still cultists out there.

 

I think we should consider them a possible threat looming in the future of Dragon Age, just like many suspected back in DA:O that Fen'Harel could make for a good villain. After all, it's interesting that while many truths have been discovered about the Evanuris and the calamity that took them away from the elves, DA:I has been conspicuously silent about the link between Solas and the Forgotten Ones. This despite Fen'Harel's involvement with them being a huge part of traditional Dalish folklore regarding the Dread Wolf.

[The Ascendant]

I've heard rumours that the Old Gods of Tevinter are the Forgotten Ones. Remember that according to lore, the form of a dragon was considered holy to the Elves, so the Forgotten Ones taking that form would be a means of gaining influence and snubbing their rivals. It also makes sense thematically. The Evanuris were banished to the Fade or the Heavens when the Veil was erected and the Forgotten Ones trapped in the physical world of Thedas. The abyss could easily be seen as the darkest depths of the Deep Roads. It would explain why they were asleep and Solas' objections to killing them. They are his old allies and he will need their help when the Evanuris return.

[In Exile]

The Dalish story isn't that the Dread Wolf is allied with the Forgotten Ones - just that he is able to walk amongst them. We still don't know how he tricked all of them. He references a disaster he had to act to stop - for all we know it was a war between the two sides. That fits the myth too. The gods are at war until Fen'harel seals them away.

[Qun00]

So, I tried asking Matt Rhodes which elven god Tamlen's vallaslin corresponds to. Surprisingly, he replied to me. And his answer was... "It looks more like Falon'din".

What do you mean, " looks like"? You don't know? Were the vallaslin designs made by a different artist back in Origins?

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

So, I tried asking Matt Rhodes which elven god Tamlen's vallaslin corresponds to. Surprisingly, he replied to me. And his answer was... "It looks more like Falon'din".

What do you mean, " looks like"? You don't know? Were the vallaslin designs made by a different artist back in Origins?

Pretty sure the designs weren't entirely fleshed out back then, which is why we didn't get clarification on which design was who's till this game.

[Qun00]

... Yes, I know that.

I'm more surprised that Matt Rhodes didn't seem to know the answer to my question.

[Tidus]

Qun00, From the story flubs I wonder if the right hand knows what the left hand does as far as character designs?

 

Seems a writer should become as one with his character so he/she can develop  the character to its fullest and work with the animator  in the designing of  the character.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

... Yes, I know that.

I'm more surprised that Matt Rhodes didn't seem to know the answer to my question.

... Yes, I got that you were surprised by that.

 

I was explaining why its reasonable that he doesn't. The DAO vallaslin designs don't all fall neatly into the new, more finalized, vallaslin system, so their meanings are fudged. He's probably not sure b/c who Tamlen's vallaslin was has either changed or was never nailed down in the first place since it wasn't an important detail that would actually come up in-game and they just went for the cooler looking of the vallaslin designs they had at the time.

[Mistic]

... Yes, I got that you were surprised by that.

 

I was explaining why its reasonable that he doesn't. The DAO vallaslin designs don't all fall neatly into the new, more finalized, vallaslin system, so their meanings are fudged. He's probably not sure b/c who Tamlen's vallaslin was has either changed or was never nailed down in the first place since it wasn't an important detail that would actually come up in-game and they just went for the cooler looking of the vallaslin designs they had at the time.

 

True. Not to mention that DA:O was released 7 years ago and despite our interest in the vallaslin, it could have been a very secondary matter for the artists. Difficult for them to remember now.

[Master Warder Z_]

it could have been a very secondary matter for the artists.

 

Well yeah, it related to elves.

[Qun00]

Well yeah, it related to elves.

FILTHY SHEM.

[Vit246]

Well yeah, it related to elves.

Don't you ever get bored of your shtick?

[Mistic]

Well yeah, it related to elves.

 

Fortunately, they changed their ways by devoting almost everything to elves in DA:I

[In Exile]

Qun00, From the story flubs I wonder if the right hand knows what the left hand does as far as character designs?

Seems a writer should become as one with his character so he/she can develop the character to its fullest and work with the animator in the designing of the character.

We know art can trump sometimes. For example, the barefoot elf issue in DA2 (and with Solas in DAI possibly) was done over the objection of DG.

[Master Warder Z_]

FILTHY SHEM.

 

And proud of it.

 

 

Humans are by far the best race in both fiction and nonfiction.

 

 

Fortunately, they changed their ways by devoting almost everything to elves in DA:I

 

Uh not really? Well unless if you mean the bits from that DLC from DAII that make no sense I guess?

 

._.

 

Yeah, you have a incomprehensible pile of garbage that is focused around elves, big surprise, even when they are the focus, they still manage to mess everything up.

 

Stupid elves.

[Qun00]

We know art can trump sometimes. For example, the barefoot elf issue in DA2 (and with Solas in DAI possibly) was done over the objection of DG.

And you know how elves are supposed to have big eyes? That was dropped after DA2.

Sure, the Iron Bull still mentions that "fact" once, but none of the elves actually look like that in DAI.

[Lady Luminous]

And you know how elves are supposed to have big eyes? That was dropped after DA2.

Sure, the Iron Bull still mentions that "fact" once, but none of the elves actually look like that in DAI.

Both Fiona and Briala have gigantic pupils though, yeah?

[Qun00]

Not really.

[stop_him]

And proud of it.

 

 

Humans are by far the best race in both fiction and nonfiction.

I think Solas has a line in DAI he says to Dorian about how all of Tevinter can thank elven culture for all of Tevinter's culture, though I pretty much see all humans in Thedas rising to power thanks to the leftovers of elves. Just as the first inquisitor was an elf, it wouldn't surprise me if humans chopped of Andraste's ears to make her human as well.

 

Humans are also fairly awful in real life.

[straykat]

I think Solas has a line in DAI he says to Dorian about how all of Tevinter can thank elven culture for all of Tevinter's culture, though I pretty much see all humans in Thedas rising to power thanks to the leftovers of elves. Just as the first inquisitor was an elf, it wouldn't surprise me if humans chopped of Andraste's ears to make her human as well.

 

Humans are also fairly awful in real life.

 

He wasn't the first Inquisitor. He was the last Inquisitor of the First Inquisition. And he's more of a Chantry type than a traditional elf. It's not like the Chantry is stealing anything from his "culture", just because he was an elf. And Andraste was from ancient Denerim, from a tribe of Alammari.. why would they make that up? They're dirty Barbarians. They were both slaves under Tevinter. One wasn't better than the other. And we've seen her mother in the Sacred Ashes quest. Not everything is a conspiracy.

 

Anyways.. the Dalish. I like em. I just wonder where people were in DAO. Many people thought Dalish was the worst origin back then. It was my first playthrough.. and one I still redo/revisit sometimes. There was no one to talk to, and yet now I'm tired of hearing about elves. It's overkill. Now to the point that everything has a elf theory tied to it. That's my 2c on their culture now.

 

The best thing about Elves now is Sera.  *makes farting noise*

[In Exile]

I think Solas has a line in DAI he says to Dorian about how all of Tevinter can thank elven culture for all of Tevinter's culture, though I pretty much see all humans in Thedas rising to power thanks to the leftovers of elves. Just as the first inquisitor was an elf, it wouldn't surprise me if humans chopped of Andraste's ears to make her human as well.

 

Humans are also fairly awful in real life.

 

I don't think Andraste was an elf. Putting aside the fact that the group she's from isn't elven, racially, there's the simple fact that it would have involved such a radical cultural shift to actually change the race of a divine figure (think of, say, gender-swapping Jesus). Plus, they didn't turn other figures, like Shartan, into a human. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Humans are also fairly awful in real life.

They are the dominant species in Thedas and our world...you could say they were born to rule.

[The Ascendant]

Wait. I've just realised something terrifying. Since humans didn't exist before the Veil, does that mean that Solas had a hand in the creation of humanity?

[Qun00]

Either that or all humans were mages back then.