Wait. I've just realised something terrifying. Since humans didn't exist before the Veil, does that mean that Solas had a hand in the creation of humanity?
Humans weren't present in the continent of Thedas before the veil. That doesn't mean they didn't exist at all. They immigrated to Thedas from across the sea sometime after the veil went up.
Crazy thought, what if humans were once elves and they are the ones who lost the elfness part of themselves??
Crazy thought, what if humans were once elves and they are the ones who lost the elfness part of themselves??
If Bioware ever decides to do anything vaguely like that I am going to send them a sternly written letter expressing my thoughts on that, just like I did EA at the behest of Ross Scott.
o.o Course they'd throw it out, but then I'd be obligated to send them 10,000 copies of the same letter a month until I receive reply.
Edit: Or maybe just one, I don't know I just looked up the price of the style of printer paper I use and its pretty high...and it only comes in packs of 100 sheets, so I'd need to buy multiples and it would get expensive really quick...
If Bioware ever decides to do anything vaguely like that I am going to send them a sternly written letter expressing my thoughts on that, just like I did EA at the behest of Ross Scott.
o.o Course they'd throw it out, but then I'd be obligated to send them 10,000 copies of the same letter a month until I receive reply.
Edit: Or maybe just one, I don't know I just looked up the price of the style of printer paper I use and its pretty high...and it only comes in packs of 100 sheets, so I'd need to buy multiples and it would get expensive really quick...
You crack me up sometimes, Z. XD
I don't know whether its likely that humans are formerly elves. I mean, there's *some* kind of connection. It can't be a coincidence that elf/human children always look human. But I don't know if that's it.
You crack me up sometimes, Z. XD
I don't know whether its likely that humans are formerly elves. I mean, there's *some* kind of connection. It can't be a coincidence that elf/human children always look human. But I don't know if that's it.
Truth be told? Given that elves are supposedly descendants from spirits or something to that effect?
I'd think that Humanity actually outdates the elves as far as being a natural creature if it does indeed turn out, that they just randomly popped up in the world one day, no transition from spirit to person.
Truth be told? Given that elves are supposedly descendants from spirits or something to that effect?
I'd think that Humanity actually outdates the elves as far as being a natural creature if it does indeed turn out, that they just randomly popped up in the world one day, no transition from spirit to person.
Humans evolved from nature/beasts/physical world while elves evolved from spirits essentially? Now that I think about it, with the veil basically weakening the spirit side of things in Thedas maybe *that's* why elf/human hybrids come out human. Physical reality is currently more dominant than spirit reality and that is being reflected when the children of those two realities meet and try to mix.
(And dwarves fall into the same situation as humans, I suppose, in this line of thinking. Except they're originally extensions of larger creatures.)
Humans evolved from nature/beasts/physical world while elves evolved from spirits essentially?
Pretty much yeah.
That's been my theory more or less since day one. At least far as humans went, I always figured they were the result of whatever the Thedosian equivalent to evolution was.
Physical reality is currently more dominant than spirit reality and that is being reflected when the children of those two realities meet and try to mix.
You could just be overthinking it now, elves today as a product of the natural world same as humans. So I'd say that's more the effect of genetics then something mystic.
Superior genes win the day.
I mean the superior race of Zeon is superior no?
Superior genes win the day.
I mean the superior race of Zeon is superior no?
... That is quite possibly one of the weirdest things I've seen on youtube. Also, I've never been much of a gundam fan, so I have zero context.
And elves are still descended from spirits so I don't think I'm too off base to think there's a mystical attachment here. Even if you went with a purely genetic explanation, pointy ears wouldn't just disappear from the gene pool once they mixed. They would be a recessive trait vs rounded ears and would still occasionally show up in descendants. And they'd definitely show up in the children of two half-elves. But we never hear of this being a thing anywhere in lore. So genetics alone being at work doesn't make sense. I think the veil plays a part.
... That is quite possibly one of the weirdest things I've seen on youtube. Also, I've never been much of a gundam fan, so I have zero context.
*gasps*
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Basically picture Zeon as a isolated community in space, they adhere to a fascism driven society under the Zabi family. Their the colony cluster furthest away from Earth and war against the Federation in the name of freedom, originally kicking off the One Year War back in 0079, which is featured prominently in the original mecha classic Mobile Suit Gundam. However following the collapse of the Principality of Zeon in the aftermath of that war, you have tens of thousands of members of its military basically leave their former homeland now under the command of the Earth Federation, and go to a distant mining satellite called AXIS, where they form AXIS Zeon. However thousands remain in the Earth system itself forming into insurgency movements such as the Delaz Fleet, Wolf and Hammer, etc, etc, etc.
So when you here someone from Zeon saying they are fighting to restore the glory of their homeland, it is in effect to liberate it from the Earth Federation post 0079. A lot of the non Zeon supporting fanbase liken them to Space Nazi's mainly because of Tomino's direct parallels with them and Imperial Japan, as they adhere to a rigid caste driven society where you have the ruling nobility directing the military and economic sectors, also because Degwin Zabi compare his son Gihren to Hitler but that is neither here nor there!
Basically just picture them as the opposition to the Federation and protagonists usually.
o.o
You could do worse then to watch such a show.
So genetics alone being at work doesn't make sense.
Have we ever even heard of a case where two half elves mate?
Last time I checked, there are no half elves, there are elf blooded humans. They are essentially human, with no differences with mainstream humanity. So I would imagine that two elf bloods would just make a normal human.
*gasps*
*snip*
You could do worse then to watch such a show.
Its on my "to watch" list. lol Thanks for the info, though.
Have we ever even heard of a case where two half elves mate?
Last time I checked, there are no half elves, there are elf blooded humans. They are essentially human, with no differences with mainstream humanity. So I would imagine that two elf bloods would just make a normal human.
^And that is why I don't think its purely genetics at work. If it was, we'd have examples of kids with more eleven features, like pointed ears, being born to human looking parents at some point. But every indication says that never happens. Once an elf mates with a human, the elven traits (the obvious physical ones, anyway) basically melt away and stop manifesting in that bloodline permanently.
^And that is why I don't think its purely genetics at work.
The theorizing of one fan?
Alright.
The theorizing of one fan?
Alright.
No, not their theorizing. (though they didn't theorize there so much as just state what the lore is regarding elf-blooded humans as of this moment.) I base it off the fact we lose all elven traits and they never show up again ever. My knowledge of genetics tells me that is highly unlikely if only genetics is the factor here. They should pop up again somewhere. Like red hair showing up in an all brunette family or black skin showing up in a white family that had a black ancestor somewhere.
No, not their theorizing.
So your theorizing then?
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So your theorizing then?
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Yes. lol I thought it was clear I was stating my theory?
I have a theory that magic originally got into the human race via elf blooded children. Which might also account for the priesthood of the elves suddenly getting all worried about the humans polluting the elves because they realised that the offspring of hybrid matings always looked human and yet had magical ability.
Incidentally the humans arrived in northern Thedas before the raising of the Veil because it was some 250 years after their arrival that the elves first noticed the quickening Also Andruil was said to have tired of hunting mortals and then turned to hunting the Forgotten Ones in the Void. If all elves were considered immortal, then that suggests that she was hunting humans.
I have a theory that magic originally got into the human race via elf blooded children. Which might also account for the priesthood of the elves suddenly getting all worried about the humans polluting the elves because they realised that the offspring of hybrid matings always looked human and yet had magical ability.
Incidentally the humans arrived in northern Thedas before the raising of the Veil because it was some 250 years after their arrival that the elves first noticed the quickening Also Andruil was said to have tired of hunting mortals and then turned to hunting the Forgotten Ones in the Void. If all elves were considered immortal, then that suggests that she was hunting humans.
It seems the humans came after the veil , well it's my theory anyway and it seems P. Weekes hinted at this too in his interview with Biofan .:
". And so much of Tevinter is... is the Tevinter people arriving, seeing the remains of the Elven empire and basically spraypainting human faces over the Elven faces, and knocking the ears off the statues"
That says a lot about ancient elven society as well. But we kind of already knew that one.
I'm not sure exactly how much we can read into ancient history from sources that came out before DAI. In universe, that information is supposed to be out of date I would think. We still don't have a clear timeframe for when the Veil came up in relation to human history. Presumably the Tevinters and the Neromenians before them had a culture of their own already by the time they either destroyed or scavenged Arlathan. The worship of the Old Gods and use of blood magic appears to have predated the formation of the Imperium.
What says a lot about elven society?
I guess slavery , the need to expand the Empire at all cost , paying tribute to get boons from Gods ,the most powerful mages are in charge , trying to push the limits of magic etc are stuff that comes to mind when you link Tevinter and ancient elves .
I'm not sure exactly how much we can read into ancient history from sources that came out before DAI. In universe, that information is supposed to be out of date I would think. We still don't have a clear timeframe for when the Veil came up in relation to human history. Presumably the Tevinters and the Neromenians before them had a culture of their own already by the time they either destroyed or scavenged Arlathan. The worship of the Old Gods and use of blood magic appears to have predated the formation of the Imperium.
That's also possible. I get the sense that is what happened with the history of Orzammar and Kal'Sharok.
What says a lot about elven society?
That, much like Solas tells us, there was a clear oppressive undercurrent to it.
I'm not sure exactly how much we can read into ancient history from sources that came out before DAI. In universe, that information is supposed to be out of date I would think. We still don't have a clear timeframe for when the Veil came up in relation to human history. Presumably the Tevinters and the Neromenians before them had a culture of their own already by the time they either destroyed or scavenged Arlathan. The worship of the Old Gods and use of blood magic appears to have predated the formation of the Imperium.
Sure, but we have IRL examples of cultural appropriation of this type, cf. the Greeks and Romans. There's a huge gulf between the formation of the society we know as Tevinter and the fall of Arlathan. Presumably, it is within that period of time that the Tevinters became what we know of them today. And it's possible - and hinted at, in DA:O - that this may have happened because the Neromenians and some of the ancient elves essentially melded as a culture. All it would take for the "elves" to disappear is interbreeding. Take a culture that is somewhat less dedicated to the undying mission of racial supremacy and purity ala the Dalish, and you could have a total cultural appropriation of "Elvhen" culture by humans with a society that - within a few generations - is exclusively human.
In DAO in the Dalish origin they are surprised to find evidence that elves and humans seemed to have lived together at one time. There is a mix of architectural style and the presence of an elven god. That could just indicate humans arriving later on the scene and appropriating what they found but I think the hint is there that they were co-existing. I'm pretty sure that there is some significance to the fact that practically every ancient elven ruin we have found is either partially or wholly underground. I wonder if the ancient elves lived on the surface of Thedas at all but only went there to hunt.
I know people keep saying how much the Dalish got wrong about their history but in fact many of their racial memories are quite accurate, albeit sometimes a bit muddled between eras. I wonder if their memory of the destruction of Arlathan (the real one) got mixed up with the later destruction of the elven settlement in Arlathan Forest. However, they also definitely say that originally they regarded humans as no more than vermin, which would be in keeping with the idea that Andruil hunted them for sport. It would also be odd that they associated the disease and death they suffered after the raising of the Veil with the presence of humans if there had been no humans around at the time. It seems to me that it was more likely the humans had arrived but were living very primitive lives up on the surface. When the rebel elves were fleeing the Evanuris they teamed up with the primitive humans who had also suffered at their hands; hence the joint communities. Since the elven priesthood knew the blame for the loss of their gods lay with Fen'Harel, they also saw the humans as responsible because they were assisting the rebel elves. As the years passed, the memory became disjointed so that Fen'Harel was responsible for locking the gods away but the humans were responsible for their loss of their immortality.
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