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[AlleluiaElizabeth]

In DAO in the Dalish origin they are surprised to find evidence that elves and humans seemed to have lived together at one time.   There is a mix of architectural style and the presence of an elven god.    That could just indicate humans arriving later on the scene and appropriating what they found but I think the hint is there that they were co-existing.   I'm pretty sure that there is some significance to the fact that practically every ancient elven ruin we have found is either partially or wholly underground.   I wonder if the ancient elves lived on the surface of Thedas at all but only went there to hunt.

I've wondered about the bolded myself. And it occurred to me as I was looking at some of the ruins present in Trespasser that the elven ruins we see might be partially underground from both the passage of time and from the fact that the veil going up broke a lot of stuff. Parts of the Library are just gone b/c the fade was so infused int eh place. That might be the case for a lot of other Arlathan era buildings and they're buried in rock b/c that's how reality basically filled in the gaps left when the Fade was removed.

[Qun00]

Solas talks about floating cities in the sky instead. Kinda the opposite. Maybe it really is because of the Veil.

[In Exile]

I've wondered about the bolded myself. And it occurred to me as I was looking at some of the ruins present in Trespasser that the elven ruins we see might be partially underground from both the passage of time and from the fact that the veil going up broke a lot of stuff. Parts of the Library are just gone b/c the fade was so infused int eh place. That might be the case for a lot of other Arlathan era buildings and they're buried in rock b/c that's how reality basically filled in the gaps left when the Fade was removed.

 

There are strong similarities between what we see as ancient elven buildings in Thedas and how the Titans are laid out. 

 

Here is the altar we see in Descent for the Titan (links rather than pictures because the forum does not like the extension):

 

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http://vignette4.wik...=20150601162852

 

 

Here is the temple of Mythal:

 

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http://vignette4.wik...=20150601162852

 

And here is the very important concept art shot of the Temple of Mythal:

 

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[Qun00]

You know... I'm not sure why people love June's vallaslin so much. It easily is the one I see most often on elven characters in both DAO and DAI.

I mean, it's just two tree branches meeting in the middle of your forehead.

[In Exile]

You know... I'm not sure why people love June's vallaslin so much. It easily is the one I see most often on elven characters in both DAO and DAI.

I mean, it's just two tree branches meeting in the middle of your forehead.

 

I think it's more that people just like the eye shadow effect.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

You know... I'm not sure why people love June's vallaslin so much. It easily is the one I see most often on elven characters in both DAO and DAI.

I mean, it's just two tree branches meeting in the middle of your forehead.

I chose Mythal's vallaslin (before I knew it was Mythal's) cus it made it look like my rogue was staring out from among tree/shrub branches. It seemed appropriate for a stealthy rogue lady. Then I find out its Mythal's and is likely supposed to have "tree of the people" connotations and Justice and Motherhood and things, and yeah. lol Which weren't the connotations I had even remotely in mind at the time of CCing, but ultimately ended up proving providential.

 

I guess people just think June's look the prettiest while still letting you see your character's features clearly enough?

[Qun00]

I think it's more that people just like the eye shadow effect.

Ohh yes, that part is pretty nice. And the sole strip over the lower lip. DAO's version didn't have much going for it, though.

[Xilizhra]

I've gone for Mythal because... well, Mythal seems the most applicable to my character. I also quite like the design of a leafless tree echoes the symbol on Flemeth's grimoires in DAO.

[Hellion Rex]

In DAO in the Dalish origin they are surprised to find evidence that elves and humans seemed to have lived together at one time.   There is a mix of architectural style and the presence of an elven god.    That could just indicate humans arriving later on the scene and appropriating what they found but I think the hint is there that they were co-existing.   I'm pretty sure that there is some significance to the fact that practically every ancient elven ruin we have found is either partially or wholly underground.   I wonder if the ancient elves lived on the surface of Thedas at all but only went there to hunt.

Well, some of the places might have been underground because in the old times, perhaps they were close to a source of lyrium, like the vein of a Titan, more or less. Hence, being underground or close to it might have made it easier to harvest.

[Qun00]

I doubt that. Ancient elves were too powerful to ever need lyrium like the modern lesser mages occasionally do.

[In Exile]

I've gone for Mythal because... well, Mythal seems the most applicable to my character. I also quite like the design of a leafless tree echoes the symbol on Flemeth's grimoires in DAO.

It always made sense to me that a Keeper (or prospective Keeper) would be an adherent to Mythal first, and since I always roll mages, technically they should all have that design. I just don't like it as much.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I doubt that. Ancient elves were too powerful to ever need lyrium like the modern lesser mages occasionally do.

They mined it, though. Mythal killed a titan, found a source of power, etc. Andruil likely had access to red lyrium for that famed armor of hers, which is also why it drove her batty when she ventured into the abyss.

 

 

It always made sense to me that a Keeper (or prospective Keeper) would be an adherent to Mythal first, and since I always roll mages, technically they should all have that design. I just don't like it as much.

Elgarnan would also apply in that same vein, wouldn't it? He's the All Father. Not that I blame you for not wanting to use his vallaslin. Its... intense, shall we say? lol

[In Exile]

I doubt that. Ancient elves were too powerful to ever need lyrium like the modern lesser mages occasionally do.

But they very likely harvested Titans for other reasons. I think based on what we see in Trespasser the foci were made from a Titan. Thus is why Solas seems them as irreplaceable treasuers.

[Hellion Rex]

I doubt that. Ancient elves were too powerful to ever need lyrium like the modern lesser mages occasionally do.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't make them even stronger. Also, why were there places in the Deep Roads where the elves had been? I think they were mining the Titans for lyrium.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I can't see them not caring about lyrium. Regardless of what your power level is, lyrium enhances it. Its not just weak mages that use it. I mean, the Imperium needed a ton of lyrium for the Golden City operation, even though they had a ton of mages working and blood sacrifices going on. (Although Solas says that blood magic actualyl makes it harder to enter the Fade (in dreams)  and weakens your connection to it, so they may have been shooting themselves in the foot there, ironically.)

[Hellion Rex]

But they very likely harvested Titans for other reasons. I think based on what we see in Trespasser the foci were made from a Titan. Thus is why Solas seems them as irreplaceable treasuers.

Interesting theory. 

 

Also, I'm wondering if Solas's foci was what was used to raise the Veil in the first place, since it could also be used to destroy it. Also, I wonder what they were used for prior to raising the Veil.

[Hellion Rex]

 (Although Solas says that blood magic actualyl makes it harder to enter the Fade (in dreams)  and weakens your connection to it, so they may have been shooting themselves in the foot there, ironically.)

Hold up. What? Where was this? Because we've known that Tevinter mages have used blood to enter dreams, and to even kill people in their dreams. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I wonder where Solas' foci was absorbing magic from over the millenia. Was it syphoning his own power from him? What's the usefulness of that???

[Xilizhra]

Hold up. What? Where was this? Because we've known that Tevinter mages have used blood to enter dreams, and to even kill people in their dreams. 

You have to talk to him as a mage and ask him about blood magic, then say that you're interested in it.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Hold up. What? Where was this? Because we've known that Tevinter mages have used blood to enter dreams, and to even kill people in their dreams. 

Haven. You can ask him his opinion on blood magic in one of the conversations. He says he has no problem with it, the prohibition on it is superstitious, etc, but he also doesn't personally use it b/c it makes it harder for him to enter the fade. At least I *think* it was all in that same Haven conversation.  I don't have a video or link at the moment to show you, though. :/

 

And I don't think its ever been said that Tevinters use blood to enter others' dreams? I thought you just had to be a somniari?

 

You have to talk to him as a mage and ask him about blood magic, then say that you're interested in it.

Yes that, thank you.

[In Exile]

Interesting theory.

Also, I'm wondering if Solas's foci was what was used to raise the Veil in the first place, since it could also be used to destroy it. Also, I wonder what they were used for prior to raising the Veil.

I'm sure that this was part of its role and power. I'll post pictures of the murals in Trespasser again. We see an orb on two occasions: when a Titan is being shattered (the Orb is the core) and when we see the mural most assume represents Solas raising the Veil (which is likely correct especially when you compare it to his mural of the Breach).

This may not be cannon anymore but in the notes to DAI (the dev notes) the Orb is said to be Mythal's orb.

[Hellion Rex]

You have to talk to him as a mage and ask him about blood magic, then say that you're interested in it.

Huh. Lore rewrite then?

 

 

Edit: Also, I'm curious if it has anything to do with him being a Dreamer at all.....

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Huh. Lore rewrite then?

 

 

Edit: Also, I'm curious if it has anything to do with him being a Dreamer at all.....

I thought the whole being able to enter people's dreams and kill them thing required being a somniari? I don't recall any lore saying blood magic could be used to do that.

 

Blood magic does of course control waking minds, but I don't think it touches dreaming ones.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm sure that this was part of its role and power. I'll post pictures of the murals in Trespasser again. We see an orb on two occasions: when a Titan is being shattered (the Orb is the core) and when we see the mural most assume represents Solas raising the Veil (which is likely correct especially when you compare it to his mural of the Breach).

This may not be cannon anymore but in the notes to DAI (the dev notes) the Orb is said to be Mythal's orb.

Hmmmm, interesting. I'm actually replaying Trespasser myself right now, which is why I'm participating in these discussions. I love theorizing about all this stuff.

[Hellion Rex]

I thought the whole being able to enter people's dreams and kill them required being a somniari? I don't recall any lore saying blood magic could be used to do that.

 

Blood magic does of course control waking minds, but I don't think it touches dreaming ones.

Pretty sure that was DAO level lore. I can't find the old Codex, but the Wiki (take that for what you will) claims: "And while lyrium may be used to send the individual waking minds of mages into the Fade, blood magic can be used to find the sleeping minds of others."

 

Perhaps it's not so Fade related so much as manipulating people as they sleep.