Now onto the my main point using real life attempts to stamp out a culture how is it the elves lost so much, could it have been someone with perhaps godlike powers going out their way to stamp out elven culture and possible elves themselves? Is it possible that something/things was greatly threatened by elves and needed them gone or at least their history as the saying goes those was dont know their history cannot learn from it.
Did you play Trespasser?Rather not spoil you if not.
Did you play Trespasser?Rather not spoil you if not.
never got the chance but im not bothered by spoilers im here for debate
edit (had a 360 when DA:I came out so had it on that but im getting The Xbox One version soon)
never got the chance but im not bothered by spoilers im hear for debate
Well you kind of guess some things right if you didn't read about Solas and Trespasser.
Someone did destroy the elves civilization but it was a side effect of wanting to get rid of the elven gods.The elves weren't dangerous as a whole , but a number of them their Gods went too far and were threatening to destroy the world.
Well you kind of guess some things right if you didn't read about Solas and Trespasser.
Someone did destroy the elves civilization but it was a side effect of wanting to get rid of the elven gods.The elves weren't dangerous as a whole , but a number of them their Gods went too far and were threatening to destroy the world.
Ah i see but as i pointed out they lost everything and even in britian we know more about our celtic ancestors than the elves do about themselves, what about the possibility of someone from the shadows erasing elven history what are your thoughts on that?
Ah, I see the missing link that I didn't explain well. I think each Titan has its own song. I think the thing imprisoned is the source of red lyrium, and the Blight, and not an Old God at all. I think the dragons we associate with the old gods are actually part of the prison. The reason that darkspawn wake them, essentially, is to loosen a seal.
This is why, I think, Solas looks to the Grey Warden mission to kill the ADs as rank insanity.
I don't think it's as reasoned as that, personally. Solas has always been pretty... well, ignorant, for the lack of a better word, about the Blight. While he clearly knows something about the Archdemons, he seems to have precious little experience with them. IIRC, he only 'woke' after the last one.
Rather, I think Solas's concern focuses more on the Old Gods- and I suspect that the Old Gods were parts/extensions of the Evunaris. The Elven God version of what Corypheus did- extensions of their power, beings tied to but distinct from, who Solas has the same sort of regard he does for the ancient elves in general.
As far as sealed beings, the Evunaris seem to be the ones Solas is concerned about, and the Red Lyrium titan is another. While I certainly agree Solas stopped the Evunaris with the intent of keeping them from destroying the world, I see it more as because they were creating terrible power (Adrinuil's spear, titan-slaying, the allegation of mass blood sacrifice) rather than unlocking a greater one.
About the only great unlocked power I can think of might be the Golden City- but aside from that we don't even know if that existed in Elven times, I'd put my money on that being the prison box of the Evunaris more than anything else.
But a bigger bad behind the Evunaris that they were seeking to unlock? Short of the Maker, I don't see it.
I don't think it's as reasoned as that, personally. Solas has always been pretty... well, ignorant, for the lack of a better word, about the Blight. While he clearly knows something about the Archdemons, he seems to have precious little experience with them. IIRC, he only 'woke' after the last one.
Rather, I think Solas's concern focuses more on the Old Gods- and I suspect that the Old Gods were parts/extensions of the Evunaris. The Elven God version of what Corypheus did- extensions of their power, beings tied to but distinct from, who Solas has the same sort of regard he does for the ancient elves in general.
As far as sealed beings, the Evunaris seem to be the ones Solas is concerned about, and the Red Lyrium titan is another. While I certainly agree Solas stopped the Evunaris with the intent of keeping them from destroying the world, I see it more as because they were creating terrible power (Adrinuil's spear, titan-slaying, the allegation of mass blood sacrifice) rather than unlocking a greater one.
About the only great unlocked power I can think of might be the Golden City- but aside from that we don't even know if that existed in Elven times, I'd put my money on that being the prison box of the Evunaris more than anything else.
But a bigger bad behind the Evunaris that they were seeking to unlock? Short of the Maker, I don't see it.
Huh, in regards to the Old Gods, they were tied to each deity of the Pantheon? Interesting theory. Might explain where they got a lot of their power. Dragons would hold a lot of magical power.
It would explain why there was that one codex that talked about the one Dirthamen priest or acolyte who took the "divine" shape of a dragon via shapeshifting. The Old God Dragons themselves, as well as the ability to shapeshift into a High Dragon, were probably the major symbols of the Evanuris and their power.
Huh, in regards to the Old Gods, they were tied to each deity of the Pantheon? Interesting theory. Might explain where they got a lot of their power. Dragons would hold a lot of magical power.
It would explain why there was that one codex that talked about the one Dirthamen priest or acolyte who took the "divine" shape of a dragon via shapeshifting. The Old God Dragons themselves, as well as the ability to shapeshift into a High Dragon, were probably the major symbols of the Evanuris and their power.
Not only that, but we know that Tevinter mythology was more or less built upon Elven mythos. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that extended to the Old Gods as well.
There's also the bit of the Old Gods directing the Magisters to the Golden City and the taint. All indications are that the Elven Gods are tied to the original taint and possibly the golden city (if Aldrunil's Golden Spear is an indication).
I figured the Old Gods were the Forgotten Ones, the opposing pantheon to the Evanuris
Ah i see but as i pointed out they lost everything and even in britian we know more about our celtic ancestors than the elves do about themselves, what about the possibility of someone from the shadows erasing elven history what are your thoughts on that?
Well actually the Dalish got a number of things right about their past .
Now it's a bit complicated part of elven history is hidden because the language was lost , because some writing were done with magic (and that knowledge was lost so you can't find those texts) , and some place you can't access without again a magic which was lost.
There's some ancient elves but they aren't friendly at all.
But it's possible some knowledge was destroyed , and it's obvious some ancient elves , like Solas , Mythal are not telling everything they know.
Now would some people would get out of their way to do it?Don't know.
The only people after ancient elven knowledge are Dalish , but with their limited means , there's nothing to be too nervous about.
And Tevinter , and in this case yes I could imagine someone who would want to keep Tevinter from discovering too many things.
You can even say the Chantry went against some part of elven culture Tevinter had " stolen ", like slavery , toying with magic , worshipping a number of different gods and getting boons and advice from them etc..
Now is this related , no idea.
I figured the Old Gods were the Forgotten Ones, the opposing pantheon to the Evanuris
Well, Geldauran certainly had a bone to pick with the Evanuris, so it's a possibility.
http://dragonage.wik...ldauran's_Claim
It's possible the Old Gods are seals.
Now I know sounds weird but Drakon had a vision , basically he saw something close to Titans , talk about someone who might be the Dread Wolf and more or less described the scene when Cory made Haven float.
Now in his vision he says there are seven gates to the Golden City.There's 7 old Gods .When all the gates broke open somehow , that's when darkness will start to consume Thedas.He's talking about the Blight here but something so terrible it also affects the fade and only having an epiphany about the Maker and his light can save the day.(basically the darkness is some kind of illusion and with enough willpower you can see the light hidden beneath it ).
And imagine the Blight being able to spread in the fade , everyone except dwarves is connected to the fade .
Anyway back to those 7 gates and the vision , it also reminds me of Elani ZinaeRrcan't remember , the statue in the Ferelden Circle , the one with vision and stuff.When there's small rifts in Witch Hunt , she suddenly freaks out and says the prison is breached , and she talks about darkness closing in.It's after you're done with the 5th Blight , so I assume she saw something crappy in the fade.
Actually most of what we know about our Celtic ancestors is based on the writings of their enemies and archaeology, so very similar to the difficulties faced by the Dalish. A lot of what is claimed were Celtic beliefs and religion is guesswork and conjecture because it was always an oral tradition. It is also possible to guess at some aspects based off the old folk lore and legends. To say we know more about our Celtic ancestors than the Dalish do is nonsense. I'd say it was about equal. Given the greater passage of time between the fall of the elven empire (at the raising of the Veil), some 4000 years, compared with our distance from our Celtic ancestors, less than half that time, I'd say the Dalish have remembered/recovered their history remarkably accurately.
There was something working from the shadows to erase elven history, there is no mystery in that because Dorian out right admits in the Temple of Mythal that is what the Tevinter Imperium have been doing down the years. Whether this was just to keep the elves subservient, to maintain their own myth of superiority, or some other motive, they have done their best to destroy any references to it. PW has also confirmed that many monuments, pictures and statues that originated with the elves, have been appropriated by the Imperium and humanised, just as the Chantry later did to the images of Shartan. In fact I wouldn't be surprised that if the Chantry had uncovered elven history that was inconvenient to their official line, they would have conveniently ignored it and possibly even destroyed it.
It is somewhat ironic that the Canticle of Shartan has been restored to the Chant (by Leliana) when in fact it probably doesn't really reflect what really went on and is heavily overlaid by an earlier elven legend about a "trickster warrior who fought against tyrants". That is so clearly Solas/Fen'Harel that I now firmly believe that the majority of the Canticle is recording part of the history of Mythal and Solas and not Andraste/Shartan at all. What is true of that part of the Chant could well apply to other bits as well, particularly when you consider that what is recounted about the Exalted March bears no relation to what can be found in secular histories.
This is something I wonder about with the mosaics you can gather. The dwarf often mentions how they have been tampered with and altered according to the whim of the modern owner but he can see how there is an older style present. The one concerning the archdemon particularly interests me because I do wonder if it was really about a much earlier incident, with the dragon being Mythal and the seven surrounding it the other evanuris. In which case, while four are successfully attacking it and two failing, apparently the dragon is looking directly at a 7th that appears not to be involved but clearly it thinks is the one really responsible.
Still on the subject of vallaslin, it doesn't seem right to wear Sylaise's as a hunter.
Hunters follow the Vir Tanadhal, which is a different path from Sylaise's Vir Atinshan and its guidance for the healers.
Why not? The Dalish codex entry on vallaslin only talks about "meditating on the gods and the ways of our people", and it implies it's a very personal ritual.
What if an elf who was very sick in the past chose Sylaise's as a way to thank her for being cured? What if a hunter comes from a line of artisans devoted to June and wants to honour that family legacy? What if someone, regardless their job in the clan, believes in justice as a supreme value and chooses Mythal's? Etc.
It reminds me of a research I did on Assyrian names, but I think it could work for many polytheistic societies. It's not black and white, parents chose names related to gods depending on the situation or their personal beliefs. Just because Nabu was the god of wisdom it didn't mean every scribe was named or named their children after him. I think the same could happen for Dalish tatoos.
I tend to feel that whilst some Dalish may take vallaslin merely on the basis of their main profession, because people in the clans are going to be pretty versatile anyway, the decision over vallaslin is usually going to be a very personal one based on their attitude and outlook on life.
My elven scout/hunter is a supreme archer but took the vallaslin of Mythal because he wanted to devote himself to and be seen as a protector of the clan.
I noticed that Cillian has the vallaslin of June, which seemed unusual for a former first of his clan, so I had my Lavellan ask him why he chose it and him replying that he saw magic not so much as mysteries to be unlocked but a craft to be perfected.
My female mage Lavellan took the vallaslin of Sylaise because she was devoted to the Vir'Atishan, the way of peace, and her principle focus was as a healer.
Since vallaslin are taken as a rite of adulthood, it does make you wonder why an elf might take certain vallaslin, such as those of Elgar'nan or Falon'Din. Still if they had suffered violence in their early life, you could see them as devoting themselves to vengeance but equally they could just be a clan first who sees the vallaslin of Elgar'nan as indicative of leadership, whilst Falon'Din is seen by the Dalish as a benign guide, so that could equally be appropriate to a Keeper.
I imagine that an elf who felt a connection to animals, particularly the Halla, would take Ghilan'nain. It is pretty easy to make a case for any vallaslin if you think about it carefully enough.
Redoing the Emerald Knights' Tomb on my second character. It's amazing how different that I view the supposed "glories" of the Ancient Elves as depicted in the Tomb, after having played Trepasser.
The Emerald Knights aren't exactly ancient elves.
No, but a lot of the codex entries in there depict the Ancient elves as being these awesome people, when they definitely were not.
Do elaborate.
Mostly it was stuff about the Quickening and how humans were responsible for bringing it down upon the Ancient Elvhen.
The modern elves have a nostalgic view of the past but the people of Tevinter are the same. Look at Dorian going on about how the Tevinter Imperium was where civilisation truly began and how much they value their past, etc. If their roles had been reversed and we had a situation where Tevinter had been destroyed by someone raising the Veil, likely their descendant would recall the earlier time with similar rose tinted spectacles, particularly if they had spent much of the succeeding millennia enslaved by the people who came after them.
Much of the story of the fall of Arlathan does not relate to the ancient elven civilisation before the Veil anyway, it recalls a much more recent event that took place in the Forest of Arlathan, where there does appear to have been an elven city, probably a relic of older times but also inhabited by large numbers of modern elves. When Tevinter made peaceful overtures towards the elves, their emissaries were met with violence as were any other humans approaching the forest, so eventually Tevinter took action but after 6 years of resource taxing siege that resulted in a stale mate, they decided to take drastic action to end the standoff. (I'm still not convinced that it was actually the Tevinter that caused the city to sink into the ground but they simply claimed credit for it to bolster their reputation). Nevertheless the human nation did claim responsibility for the destruction of this last vestige of the elven civilisation, even if the elves were responsible for the aggression (and of course the claim of peaceful envoys could have been merely Tevinter propaganda).
The arrival of humans on the Continent was so close in time to the raising of the Veil that the elves born after it may genuinely have thought they had something to do with their loss of immortality. In any case, the claim that they brought diseases that the elves were not resistant to, probably was true. Which is why their racial memory was that mixing with humans had a bad affect on their life expectancy.
well magic was up until DA'I fading away the events of that game set up the return of magic and of the psychotic elves banished by the dread wolf, (which he now wants after seeing what has happened to the world he created)
The ancient elves had different magical paths. They had Arcane Warriors I wonder if they had other unique magical professions, like someone who specializes in Spirits, animals, plants or a specific school of magic.
The ancient elves had different magical paths. They had Arcane Warriors I wonder if they had other unique magical professions, like someone who specializes in Spirits, animals, plants or a specific school of magic.
Arcane warriors are making a return tho so maybe the dalish know more than they are letting on?
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