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[Qun00]

One thing I don't understand is that Solas was a soldier, right? And yet he isn't a "knight-enchanter".

[Mistic]

One thing I don't understand is that Solas was a soldier, right? And yet he isn't a "knight-enchanter".

 

Solas was a soldier? Did I miss something?

[Qun00]

Blackwall: For all your experience, Solas, you don't carry yourself like a soldier.

Solas: You should have seen me when I was younger. Hot-blooded and cocky, always ready to fight.

Blackwall: Ah, youth.

Solas: It is a delicate balance for those who fight.

Solas: If they lack sufficient passion, they never become truly skilled, and die or leave the life.

Blackwall: But too much passion, and they end up dead––––or monsters better off dead.

Solas: Yes. It is a rare soldier who can fight without letting it define him.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think you're taking "soldier" too literally.

[Hellion Rex]

One thing I don't understand is that Solas was a soldier, right? And yet he isn't a "knight-enchanter".

Even if he did start as a simple soldier, combat magic is hardly exclusive to the Knight Enchanter path. Plenty of mages are capable of destructive magic without needing to be an Arcane Warrior or KE.

[Qun00]

I think you're taking "soldier" too literally.

Solas didn't deny it. His answer wasn't "I don't carry myself like one because I was no soldier".

[Gervaise]

I think in this context soldier just means he was part of an army and had to learn how to look after himself in battles.  Since everyone was magical back then, every army was just different types of mages.  In the early days he was probably part of the army that the Evanuris commanded as generals before their success started the hero worship that led to people seeing them as gods.

[Qun00]

Even if he did start as a simple soldier, combat magic is hardly exclusive to the Knight Enchanter path. Plenty of mages are capable of destructive magic without needing to be an Arcane Warrior or KE.

And would the armies of Elvhenan have no specialized skills at all? They would hurl fireballs like any common mage?

[Master Warder Z_]

And would the armies of Elvhenan have no specialized skills at all? They would hurl fireballs like any common mage?

 

I wouldn't be surprised.

 

Hell they could have just wacked people with sticks, I mean this was a long time ago.

[Mistic]

Blackwall: For all your experience, Solas, you don't carry yourself like a soldier.

Solas: You should have seen me when I was younger. Hot-blooded and cocky, always ready to fight.

Blackwall: Ah, youth.

Solas: It is a delicate balance for those who fight.

Solas: If they lack sufficient passion, they never become truly skilled, and die or leave the life.

Blackwall: But too much passion, and they end up dead––––or monsters better off dead.

Solas: Yes. It is a rare soldier who can fight without letting it define him.

 

As Jedi Master said, I think you are taking the word "soldier" too literally. Especially since that dialogue is the continuation of this other one:

 

Blackwall: You spoke of seeing death and destruction. Did you fight in a war?

Solas: There are struggles across Thedas at any given time. I doubt you would have heard of it.

Blackwall: An elven skirmish?

Solas: In a manner of speaking. You?

Blackwall: I was a soldier. And I... well... you know how it is.

Solas: I do indeed.

 

The question wasn't about Solas being a soldier or not, but about Solas knowing war or not. And we know pretty well that, unmentioned past experiences notwithstanding, he knows war: he fought against the Evanuris. However, it doesn't mean he was a soldier before that.

 

For all we know, he's as much of a soldier as Lelouch Lamperouge. Or as much as the Inquisitor or the Warden. After all, didn't those two previous heroes fought in wars too, against Corypheus and the Blight? They saw death and destruction, led warriors to battle and were the commanding officers of at least one army, but no Warden was a professional soldier (except the dwarven noble, who had a military post) and among the Inquisitors only the Qunari (mercenaries) were similar.

 

This doesn't mean Solas couldn't have been a soldier in the ancient elven empire before he became a rebel leader, though, but so far it's just guessing.

[Master Warder Z_]

 he's as much of a soldier as Lelouch Lamperouge. 

 

Relevant Image.

[Gervaise]

I've  just remembered the preface to the Canticle of Shartan in World of Thedas 2 says that it is likely much of it is based on earlier ancient elven folktales about a "rebellion against tyrants led by a trickster warrior".   Since these folktales are clearly about Solas' exploits against the Evanuris, the ancient tales would seem to categorise him as a warrior, regardless of his magical abilities, because as I pointed out above, everyone was a mage back then.   It is also entirely possible that when he awoke he decided to concentrate on his Fade skills rather than his former/younger fighting prowess.   At the end of Trespasser he is wearing the ancient elf armour as befits a warrior and which Cillian also wears as an Arcane Warrior.

[Hellion Rex]

And would the armies of Elvhenan have no specialized skills at all? They would hurl fireballs like any common mage?

Of course they probably did. But being a soldier does NOT mean he has to be a Knight Enchanter. As his specialization suggests, he was probably more of a glass cannon type of mage, aka the Rift Mage.

[rolson00]

Of course they probably did. But being a soldier does NOT mean he has to be a Knight Enchanter. As his specialization suggests, he was probably more of a glass cannon type of mage, aka the Rift Mage.

maybe elves didnt have soldiers in the sense humans have soldiers maybe solas simply went with it so that black wall could understand him and plus not let on who he really is

[Qun00]

I'm reading The Masked Empire right now and I'm not sure how much it damages the reputation of Dalish warriors.

Did Michel single handedly defeat all of them because he is just that good or because Dalish tecnique is inferior to what is taught in Orlais?

Granted, the warleader almost won. But that may be thanks to Mihris' help.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I'm reading The Masked Empire right now and I'm not sure how much it damages the reputation of Dalish warriors.

Did Michel single handedly defeat all of them because he is just that good or because Dalish tecnique is inferior to what is taught in Orlais?

Granted, the warleader almost won. But that may be thanks to Mihris' help.

Could be a mix of both? The war leader comes closest to winning cus he has the most fighting experience and/or talent in the clan. And Michel is actually just very good at fighting, which is befitting of his position as Celene's bodyguard. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm reading The Masked Empire right now and I'm not sure how much it damages the reputation of Dalish warriors.

Did Michel single handedly defeat all of them because he is just that good or because Dalish tecnique is inferior to what is taught in Orlais?

 

He's a elite warrior, as in he's probably worthy twenty or so average humans when it comes to actual combative utility, so obviously he can pick apart individual opponents relatively easy, there is no real answer to a elite unit besides another comparable elite unit. To best a Chevalier, you need something akin to it.

[Gervaise]

It wasn't that hard to understand how he accomplished it.   Felassan had provided a major distraction of a lightning storm that had drawn the attention of the guards; who were understandably drawn to the screams of one of their fellow Dalish burning in a wagon.   So he killed the first under cover of that; the other were just wrong footed by his approach that was a result of his training to be adaptable in the face of adversity.   Essentially speed and surprise were his main weapons against them, which he fully utilised.   He had also previously spotted the weaknesses in their training, that he had pointed out to the War Leader and the latter's own dangerous habit of pausing to see if he had drawn blood.  So he had studied his enemy before engaging them.   Plus this was a very insular clan so would have had very little contact with the outside world and thus little experience of fighting intelligent opponents as opposed to dangerous animals.   I doubt they had ever encountered Chevaliers before.

 

Dalish warriors would be very effective in their own element; for example fighting wild animals that Michael, by contrast, might have more difficulty with.  With the right training and experience I am sure the best Dalish warriors would have been able to put on a better show.   These Dalish just weren't the best, by quite a wide margin I should think. 

[Qun00]

And, of course, the warleader was an emotional and immature fool.

On another note, I already thought the Sabrae clan hated humans and looked down on "flat ears" but Virnehn just takes it to another level.

[Master Warder Z_]

With the right training and experience I am sure the best Dalish warriors would have been able to put on a better show.   

 

You could say the same for the Iraqi army back in 03

 

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Except reality doesn't work that way, your enemy doesn't give you five years to get better. In battle you have to make do, adapt.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

You could say the same for the Iraqi army back in 03

 

._.

 

Except reality doesn't work that way, your enemy doesn't give you five years to get better. In battle you have to make do, adapt.

I believe its not a natural deficiency due to being elven warriors, was his point.

[Gervaise]

Also consider that initially in the war between the Dales and Orlais the elves were winning and got as far as Val Royeaux, which I would say is no mean feat considering the Chevaliers fighting on the side of Orlais.   Then their main general got killed, which seemed to demoralise them somewhat, and they gradually got worn down by superior numbers rather than better fighting abilities.    Which is why I say that properly trained Dalish, as they were in the time of the Dales, are perfectly capable of holding their own in a one on one battle.   Clan Virnehn are just very inferior in every way.   Based on her observation of them, Celene realises that they have nothing to concern themselves about when it comes to the possibility of the Dalish inciting a war against them.  

 

Leliana on the other hand has great respect for the fighting abilities of the Dalish, as she says at the War Table, when she counts the Inquisition lucky to have gained agents from the clans.    This is brought up because Cullen says that he thinks recruiting Lorenil was a good thing, so he clearly thinks Dalish warriors are an asset too.

 

Even so, I'd say the Dalish are probably most effective when fighting from the shadows, using guerrilla tactics, which is why it is claimed that Dalish assassins have such a reputation.

[Master Warder Z_]

Also consider that initially in the war between the Dales and Orlais

 

How does a conflict centuries past in anyway reflect upon a fight in DA? I mean these goons aren't army regulars and they certainly aren't special forces of any sort. They are basically hillbillies hiding in the woods, shanking random travelers not engaging in open battle.

 

 

Which is why I say that properly trained Dalish, as they were in the time of the Dales, are perfectly capable of holding their own in a one on one battle.  

 

So basically there is no relevancy here, because these aren't those fighters.

[Qun00]

Even so, I'd say the Dalish are probably most effective when fighting from the shadows, using guerrilla tactics, which is why it is claimed that Dalish assassins have such a reputation.

Rogues, then. Not warriors.

[Master Warder Z_]

Rogues, then. Not warriors.

 

Who stink of moonshine and elfroot.