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[Medhia_Nox]

What if Solas was born of the innate evil baldness that is spawned from hair envy by all those who bare the shinny head of wickedness?

 

Or that.  

 

Though I think bald is sexy (though not on Solas) - so I'm inclined to say you're wrong about this one.

[Shechinah]

We see statues of Solas as Fen'Harel in the Temple of Mythal, and we get the codex entry on the idea of a "god of rebellion". While I would not go so far as to say that this necessarily means Solas rebelled while Mythal was alive (as those statues could have been erected later) it makes sense to me that he did so potentially earlier. There are also stories of him and the other Evanuris in that temple (one of Andruil hunting him I think?)

I remember one story about Fen'Harel and Andruild but that one was from the book, the Masked Empire. Is this the one you were thinking of?

"In the story, Fen'Harel was captured by the hunting goddess, Andruil. He had angered her by hunting the halla without her blessing, and she tied him to a tree and declared that he would have to serve in her bed for a year and a day to pay her back.

 

But as she made camp that night, the dark god Anaris found them, and Anaris swore that he would kill Fen'Harel for crimes against the Forgotten Ones. Andruil and Anaris decided that they would duel for the right to claim Fen'Harel. He called out to Anaris during the fight and told him of a flaw in Andruil's armor just above the hip, and Anaris stabbed Andruil in the side, and she fell.

 

Then Fen'Harel told Anaris that he owed the Dread Wolf for the victory and ought to get his freedom. Anaris was so affronted by Fen'Harel's audacity that he turned and shouted insults at the prisoner, and so he did not see Andruil, injured but alive, rise behind him and attack with her great bow. Anaris fell with a golden arrow in his back, badly injured, and while both gods slumbered to heal their wounds, Fen'Harel chewed through his ropes and escaped." - Felassan to Briala

[Master Warder Z_]

Or that.  

 

Though I think bald is sexy (though not on Solas) - so I'm inclined to say you're wrong about this one.

 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Master Warder Z:  Oh yeah?  Well you like anime... so we're even.  

[Master Warder Z_]

@Master Warder Z:  Oh yeah?  Well you like anime... so we're even.  

 

Ha! 

 

I've got good taste though, most of what I like is the stuff that is described as cultural icons and what have you.

 

._. I mean if you look into my selection list its a whose who of anime titles...for the most part, and then you have some obscure stuff that no one besides me even knows about  

 

Spoiler

 

Just for a example, one of the highest grossing and most acclaimed animated series in existence with earnings in the dozens of millions. That's better then some movies, little lone TV series. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Master Warder Z:  I'm just messing with ya. 

 

I don't like most anime - but I absolutely recognize there are definite gems out there.  

 

I think I felt betrayed when anime stole the Series 1 Transformers I recognized. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

You have obviously not seen Vin Diesel or Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. *fans self*

 

Also, Ikkaku Madarame can be darn sexy, though that might just be Vic Mignogna's voice acting for him. lol

 

Sorry editing to get back on topic:

 

I think its just as likely Solas was an elf born literally in a small village as it is that he counts that village as the place where he was spawned as a spirit. Either way, I don't think he's lying about the village. He tended not to lie about things outright to us, but rather state true things and then let everyone make assumptions. Plus, Leliana's people did find the ruins of that village apparently, so at the least it really did exist.

[Hellion Rex]

What if Solas was created when the elves that served Mythal rebelled after her death?

Doubt it. The way he said it made it seem as if he locked away the Evanuris for killing Mythal. As if he existed before her death occurred.

[Hellion Rex]

Or that.

Though I think bald is sexy (though not on Solas) - so I'm inclined to say you're wrong about this one.

Amen!

[Qun00]

So... how exactly did Morrigan live in the crossroads?

According to The Masked Empire, just being there already is unbearable for non-elves. Defeaning sound, blinding light and hindered movement.

[Master Warder Z_]

So... how exactly did Morrigan live in the crossroads?

According to The Masked Empire, just being there already is unbearable for non-elves. Defeaning sound, blinding light and so forth.

 

Weekes forgot about Witch Hunt while writing it in TME.

[Hellion Rex]

So... how exactly did Morrigan live in the crossroads?

According to The Masked Empire, just being there already is unbearable for non-elves. Defeaning sound, blinding light and so forth.

I don't think she did, per se. I think she simply found another world to travel to and settle in for a while. Cole mentions that there are other worlds that the mirrors can connect to.

[Vorathrad]

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The relationship between the Evanuris and their followers seems a lot more complex than can be explained by the terms of master and slave.

 

I like all your ideas here and specially this one; I've been thinking for a long time that Solas account of the Evanuris is too biased, and they were not ALL EVIL, and their relationship to their people was far more complex than master and slave. Also on the Abelas thread we have speculated that it's likely there were several types of slaves and servants with different status; with people such as Abelas being servants with high status that served willingly. 

 

I think it's likely that the rebellion attracted slaves with lower status, and also more of them as the Evanuris lost control and used people bound to them for... let's say less constructive tasks (such as when Falon'Din started brutal wars to gain more worshipers)

[Medhia_Nox]

Doubt it. The way he said it made it seem as if he locked away the Evanuris for killing Mythal. As if he existed before her death occurred.

I agree that it was probably not correct... but let's not forget that "if" Solas is a spirit it can read minds and could have known Mythal as a spirit prior to manifesting.

Again... I do not think this happened at all - was just a stream of consciousness thought, and I do think it "could" have been a possibility, but does not fit into a lot of pre-existing details.

 

Concerning Morrigan... I don't think places like the Library cause the same effect as the Crossroads.  Remember, the Crossroads has this weird time altering effect that makes travel faster (that's what I got from Masked Empire anyway).  So, whatever elven hooby jooby was put on the Crossroads probably causes an epic level case of motion sickness. 

 

Morrigan probably lived in one of the little pockets. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

So... how exactly did Morrigan live in the crossroads?

According to The Masked Empire, just being there already is unbearable for non-elves. Defeaning sound, blinding light and hindered movement.

Like I said, she's not an average human, so not the best example. She might have survived b/c of that specialness. Although perhaps she survived simply cus she's smart enough and found out how to adapt, rather than anything special about her particular being. We don't know.

 

And I noticed you seem to also be assuming there is no food or water in the crossroads, which may not be strictly true. We saw plants, for example. They could be feeding off the ambient magic in the area, but they could also have a source of water that isn't immediately apparent. And if humans entered the Eluvian network and lived in pocket dimensions, they could very well have one where food was growing. The crossroads that Morrigan shows us, for instance, are not the end all be all of the worlds "in between".

 

 

I don't think she did, per se. I think she simply found another world to travel to and settle in for a while. Cole mentions that there are other worlds that the mirrors can connect to.

Wouldn't those other worlds have the same effect as the crossroads? Unless by "other worlds" it really meant "other places in Thedas". If those worlds exist outside of Thedas, in pocket dimensions of their own, then they have to be of the same nature as the crossroads, which in itself is another world in its own pocket dimension. I think its more likely she just found a way around the debilitating effects.

 

Concerning Morrigan... I don't think places like the Library cause the same effect as the Crossroads.  Remember, the Crossroads has this weird time altering effect that makes travel faster (that's what I got from Masked Empire anyway).  So, whatever elven hooby jooby was put on the Crossroads probably causes an epic level case of motion sickness. 

 

Morrigan probably lived in one of the little pockets. 

Or this. lol

[Mistic]

Wouldn't those other worlds have the same effect as the crossroads? Unless by "other worlds" it really meant "other places in Thedas". If those worlds exist outside of Thedas, in pocket dimensions of their own, then they have to be of the same nature as the crossroads, which in itself is another world in its own pocket dimension. I think its more likely she just found a way around the debilitating effects.

 

That's assuming those dimensions are made the same way as the Crossroads. They could have existed long before the ancient elves created their network to link them.

 

Doubt it. The way he said it made it seem as if he locked away the Evanuris for killing Mythal. As if he existed before her death occurred.

 

Solas speaks high of Mythal. Maybe she tried to be the voice of diplomacy when the Dread Wolf rose? For a long time, the Evanuris followed her judgement. What made them want to kill her? Perhaps a judgement they didn't like?

 

Imagine Fen'Harel's rebellion reaching dangerous levels (by itself or because of another issue we don't know yet). A diplomatic meeting, not unlike the Exalted Council, is called. All of them promise to obey Mythal's judgement on the matter. The Evanuris think she will, of course, defend the pantheon's interests, but her decision is the opposite. So instead of obeying her judgement, they kill her. It could be an idea, couldn't it?

[The Ascendant]

Do any Elves revere the Forgotten Ones, their ideals or are more openly antagonistic towards humans?
To me the Elves of modern times are akin to Wood Elves in a lot of Fantasy series, but not for the sole reason of living in the woods! They are the remnants of a remnants. In many RPG and Fantasy settings, the Elves are considered an endangered species, slowly but surely going extinct, whether intentionally or not, by their own fault or the actions of other races is immaterial for this topic. In many settings, Wood Elves are former colonists of the original Elf race i.e. High Elves. But after some time they have formed their own unique culture and identity, replacing or forgetting the values and traditions of their old one. Over time they gradually change, physically, psychologically and socially. As we see with Abelas and Solas (High Elves) they are clearly different from other Elves, not just physically. As the original race of Elves have now vanished the Dalish are now considered to be the standard of what it means to be an Elf, even though their values are not the traditional standards of the precursor race.
Bringing back to my original question, does Thedas have their own version of the Dark Elves? Elves who are maliciously and openly hostile to other races.

Here are a few examples where Elves, while appearing similar are radically different be it in their culture or their society.
Warhammer- High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves
Elder Scrolls- Altmer(High Elves), Dunmer(Dark Elves), Bosmer(Wood Elves)
LOTR-Vanyar(Fair Elves), Noldor(Deep Elves), Teleri(Singers)
The Witcher- Aen Elle(High/Dark Elves), Aen Seidhe(Wood Elves)
Dragon Age- Original Elves, Modern Elves, Dalish Elves, Alienage Elves, Sentinel Elves

[Reznore57]

There's tales of violent elves worshipping the Forgotten Ones.

And that's all I can remember about them , and something about some of them living in  the Tirashan forest , maybe

[In Exile]

They're supposed to have red vallaslin.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah they live in the spooky haunted uncharted depths of the Tirashan and the soldiers that fought them suggest they call out to their gods as if they are offering their enemies as sacrifices rather than calling for protection or any other way the Dalish usually pray to their gods.

[Qun00]

Since this is also the place to discuss our characters, I've got a more personal question. Do you guys think an elf's choice of vallaslin means s/he admires or agrees with every aspect of the elven god it's meant to represent?

The character in my avatar is a warrior, but it bothers me a little to see the image of a bow on his face since that isn't the main weapon he actually uses. Then I considered other options. Mythal would be nice, but it seems like an eternal puzzle to figure out which old design in DAO corresponds to her.

The second alternative I had in mind was Elgar'nan, who basically is the god of war and that is fitting for a warrior. But aside from that, he is the complete opposite of my Warden who is more of a pacifist while Elgar'nan is mainly known for his merciless wrath.

[The Ascendant]

Really? They sound badass.

[Gervaise]

I suppose the nearest you can get to dark elves in Thedas are the ones who worship the Forgotten Ones.   We have yet to meet them properly or find out exactly what their beliefs are concerning their gods and their relation to everything else but clearly seem to kill for their gods, very like the drow and their goddess.   However, until we do meet them it is difficult to label them as the "evil" elves of Thedas.    In some ways they are no different to the sentinel elves.   Until we showed up and did the ritual that made Abelas willing to be civil, the Arbor Wilds were renowned for being dangerous.   Even Morrigan feared to go there and apparently the Dalish were the same.   Clearly at some point Dalish did try and investigate because you can find that Vir Banal'ras armour in the dungeon.    So the only real difference between the Mythal sentinals and the Tirashan elves is that the former do not offer up their victims as a sacrifice to their goddess.  However, they did previously attack on sight and were hostile to other races including modern elves.

 

The whole point of the races in Thedas is that none of them are wholly good or bad, it is very much down to individuals and each community.    It is said that the Dalish vary considerably.   Some just want to be left alone, some are happy to interact in a limited way with other races, some are no better than bandits and prey off their neighbours.   It is a similar situation among the alienage elves and then you get those, like Sera, who don't want to be elfy at all.  It had occurred to me that the ancient elves we have encountered are effectively the high elves of Thedas, having the same sense of superiority over their lesser kin, and at one time had vastly superior magic, but really that's as far as it goes.

 

As for the vallaslin, it is probably more a general leaning towards the particular god without being dedicated wholeheartedly to everything about them.   Take Ameridan, for example, who revered Ghilan'nain, who is principally known as the mother of the Halla, yet he was a mage who specialised in hunting demons.    So may be he just had a love of nature and animals as a younger man, or may be his love Telana was devoted to Ghilan'nain and they bonded early in life before they received their vallaslin, so he took Ghilan'nain to show his devotion to his wife.

 

Then there is Cillian, who has the vallaslin of June, even though he is a mage.   I have assumed this is because he see magic as a craft to be perfected, so whilst you would not see June as an obvious choice for a mage, there is a sense to opting for his vallaslin.

[Hellion Rex]

Food for thought. I just reran through some of the Deep Roads in Descent, and came across this Codex Entry:

 

"Terrible, to sacrifice one's own child with a lie. I preyed on perfectly trusting faith, but how could I explain my desperation? The Deep Roads wind in deceitful spirals, concealing the sigil from casual observance. I could not discern its true pattern until I stood in the Fade and gazed down upon the vast malevolent engraving. Its artist remains unknown, but its horrifying intent was all too clear - as was my necessity. I only wish it had not cost you, my only child. I could not build the locked barriers that would carve the marks and break the sigil. You alone could save us all, but only by destroying yourself. And I let you do it. Forgive me." --- http://dragonage.wik...es_of_Segrummar

 

I'm wondering if this entry hints at what the Ancient Elves ran into down within the Deep, and why they were terrified of what the Evanuris were attempting to unleash.

[Master Warder Z_]

Food for thought. I just reran through some of the Deep Roads in Descent, and came across this Codex Entry:

 

"Terrible, to sacrifice one's own child with a lie. I preyed on perfectly trusting faith, but how could I explain my desperation? The Deep Roads wind in deceitful spirals, concealing the sigil from casual observance. I could not discern its true pattern until I stood in the Fade and gazed down upon the vast malevolent engraving. Its artist remains unknown, but its horrifying intent was all too clear - as was my necessity. I only wish it had not cost you, my only child. I could not build the locked barriers that would carve the marks and break the sigil. You alone could save us all, but only by destroying yourself. And I let you do it. Forgive me." --- http://dragonage.wik...es_of_Segrummar

 

I'm wondering if this entry hints at what the Ancient Elves ran into down within the Deep, and why they were terrified of what the Evanuris were attempting to unleash.

 

Its friggin Tolken with a twist.

 

Bioware unoriginality 101