Its friggin Tolken with a twist.
Bioware unoriginality 101
Well... do you know any fantasy game/story with elves, dwarves and such that ISN'T Tolkien with a twist?
Honestly, The Elder Scrolls lore is much larger and more interesting than DA lore, but in the end of the day it also is Tolkien 2.0.
Mhm.
A few.
But to directly quote the Dwarven line of "In their Greed they dug too deep." Is just crap writing.
Its friggin Tolken with a twist.
Bioware unoriginality 101
Always the killjoy... 
Technically, it would be the elves who dug too deep
Point stands, being smary doesn't change that.
Always the killjoy...
Hardly, I am just not a fan of where they are taking the lore and narrative, its lazy.
I don't expect much from Weekes though.
We'll see where they go with their cosmology. That part might get interesting. I also don't think the idea of the elves sealing their proto-Deep Roads was a dug too deep issue. They likely accidentally created the blight some other way.
No, no, no! *stamps foot*
This is too cool to be brushed aside. I wanna know more! 
Since this is also the place to discuss our characters, I've got a more personal question. Do you guys think an elf's choice of vallaslin means s/he admires or agrees with every aspect of the elven god it's meant to represent?
The character in my avatar is a warrior, but it bothers me a little to see the image of a bow on his face since that isn't the main weapon he actually uses. Then I considered other options. Mythal would be nice, but it seems like an eternal puzzle to figure out which old design in DAO corresponds to her.
The second alternative I had in mind was Elgar'nan, who basically is the god of war and that is fitting for a warrior. But aside from that, he is the complete opposite of my Warden who is more of a pacifist while Elgar'nan is mainly known for his merciless wrath.
I don't think vallaslin choice means they have to agree with every aspect, no.
Elgar'nan is a good example and the one I'd use. He had his good days and bad. I mean, on the one hand he's the penultimate fighter, using his rage to his advantage, and none can challenge him. On the other, he apparently kills the sun at one point. So, Elgar'nan's vallaslin could be taken by a brash warrior who only sees the power, a warrior who is all for vengence, or a warrior who is reminding themselves (through not only the choice of vallaslin, but also the amount of pain that HAD to go into its application on their face) of Elgar'nan's strength but also his brutality as a cautionary tale. In other words, a warrior who actually seeks to remind themselves of the importance of control.
Vallaslin can be used a lot of different ways, imo.
I don't think vallaslin choice means they have to agree with every aspect, no.
Elgar'nan is a good example and the one I'd use. He had his good days and bad. I mean, on the one hand he's the penultimate fighter, using his rage to his advantage, and none can challenge him. On the other, he apparently kills the sun at one point. So, Elgar'nan's vallaslin could be taken by a brash warrior who only sees the power, a warrior who is all for vengence, or a warrior who is reminding themselves (through not only the choice of vallaslin, but also the amount of pain that HAD to go into its application on their face) of Elgar'nan's strength but also his brutality as a cautionary tale. In other words, a warrior who actually seeks to remind themselves of the importance of control.
Vallaslin can be used a lot of different ways, imo.
Given that the Dalish don't become priests of their gods once they get the tattoos, I don't think they devote themselves to each and every attribute of that god.
We tend to overlook the importance of the different sides of a given deity, and think that only one aspect defines them, something that wasn't true for ancient polytheistic societies. Let's take ancient Greece. Their gods had different names and epithets, sometimes because of the place of their worship or because of their actions or roles. For example, depending on the place, offering or moment, Zeus was revered as Olympios (in his role of king of the gods), or Horkios (keeper of oaths), or Xenios (patron of hospitality), etc.
Although the elven pantheon is obviously far less developed than the Olympian one, we do know that the Evanuris have different attributes:
-Elgar'nan: vengeance, sun, All-Father.
-Mythal: protector, love, All-Mother.
-Falon'Din: death, fortune.
-Dirthamen: secrets, knowledge.
-Andruil: hunt, sacrifice, the Vir Tanadahl.
-Sylaise: domestic arts, the Hearhtkeeper, the Vir Atish'an.
-June: Master of Crafts.
-Ghilan'nain: navigation, Mother of the Halla.
It could be that, the same as ancient temples in Greece were dedicated to a specific attribute of the gods (most famously, the Parthenon), young Dalish may dedicate their tattoos to a specific aspect of their chosen god. A warrior who may not be the best archer in the clan could devote himself or herself to the Way of Three Trees and choose Andruil. A hunter who wants to never get lost in the forest may choose Ghilan'nain. A healer that loves study may choose Dirthamen. Etc.
So... what happens to all the Dalish when Solas releases the Evanuris?
Will they be slaved to their gods again?
So... what happens to all the Dalish when Solas releases the Evanuris?
Will they be slaved to their gods again?
Well first the world will burn in raw chaos...
Then the Evanuris who are known to be a rational and funny bunch are going to celebrate the end of their thousand of years of imprisonment.
So I'm sure the Dalish are going to be fine ...and not burnt to death or pieces of meat hanging on trees after meeting their beloved Gods.
It will be fine.
Well first the world will burn in raw chaos...
Then the Evanuris who are known to be a rational and funny bunch are going to celebrate the end of their thousand of years of imprisonment.
So I'm sure the Dalish are going to be fine ...and not burnt to death or pieces of meat hanging on trees after meeting their beloved Gods.
It will be fine.
Best post I've ever seen on here.
Medhia_Nox Great Approves.
I'm wondering how Solas plans to neutralize the Evanuris the second time around. There are 7 of them versus one of him. They are gonna be pissed off beyond all recognition, and they are each probably as strong as, if not stronger than Solas is right now.
As to how they were initially contained, I think Solas got them by surprise and when he raised the Veil (perhaps the first to ever be raised) they managed to get caught while they were confused.
But how can he get rid of them now?
@Hellion Rex: "A good question, but not one I will answer. " "I had plans." "It would be too easy to tell you too much."
@Hellion Rex: "A good question, but not one I will answer. " "I had plans." "It would be too easy to tell you too much."
Can we kill him already? That little smirk when he said "I had plans" had me swearing at the TV.
Well first the world will burn in raw chaos...
Then the Evanuris who are known to be a rational and funny bunch are going to celebrate the end of their thousand of years of imprisonment.
So I'm sure the Dalish are going to be fine ...and not burnt to death or pieces of meat hanging on trees after meeting their beloved Gods.
It will be fine.
You're such a pessimist.
Can't the gods greet the elves like Flemythal did? All cordial and such?
Do we even know if the Evanuris have been conscious or unconscious during their years of imprisonment? What if they've been reflecting for thousands of years?
...nah, we need boss fights, so we need them to be mean...
@Vit246: You know, if they turn out to be benevolent... that means Solas is lying (shocker).
I'd prefer it if the Evanuris turned out to be the benevolent imprisoned gods of the elves tricked by a Fen'Harel that wanted the world for himself.
Can't the gods greet the elves like Flemythal did? All cordial and such?
Do we even know if the Evanuris have been conscious or unconscious during their years of imprisonment? What if they've been reflecting for thousands of years?
...nah, we need boss fights, so we need them to be mean...
I'm not!
Flemythal is the good one and she tends to kill the unworthy (so it's good we always play the hero)
Rest of the Evanuris wasn't the same story though , the elves spend their time doing stupid rituals in temple just to beg "Mythal , the other gods are killing us , help your People!"
Oh and Solas killed Mythal.So yeah "plans".
@Vit246: You know, if they turn out to be benevolent... that means Solas is lying (shocker).
I'd prefer it if the Evanuris turned out to be the benevolent imprisoned gods of the elves tricked by a Fen'Harel that wanted the world for himself.
Thats just as simplistic as the Evanuris being nothing but douchebags and Fen'Harel (and Mythal too) being the only good ones. The only "credit to their race".
I prefer a little more greyness and complexity.
Thats just as simplistic as the Evanuris being nothing but douchebags and Fen'Harel (and Mythal too) being the only good ones. The only "credit to their race".
I prefer a little more greyness and complexity.
Well "good" ones in the context of Arlathan doesn't mean much.Solas and Mythal were ruthless killers and manipulators too.
Remember the Evanuris reached godhood through war .
They were a violent people.
So an Evanuris killing a number of elves back then I bet they were shrugging and calling it a Tuesday.
Thats just as simplistic as the Evanuris being nothing but douchebags and Fen'Harel (and Mythal too) being the only good ones. The only "credit to their race".
I prefer a little more greyness and complexity.
There's only fact... were the Evanuris benevolent gods? Or slavers? Did Solas rebel against slavery? Or did he imprison them for another reason.
There's no "grey" in an action... an action simply "is".
Greyness is another term for laziness in writing to me.
There's only fact... were the Evanuris benevolent gods? Or slavers? Did Solas rebel against slavery? Or did he imprison them for another reason.
There's no "grey" in an action... an action simply "is".
Greyness is another term for laziness in writing to me.
They weren't good , well they might have been for their time.But from current Thedas point of view or IRL , they sucked.
Unless you like your leaders turned "divine" you had to worship with prayers like "Oh mighty you , wings of death , protect us , we give ourselses glady to your service.Blablabla ...religious propaganda , blablabla" , get dragged into their pointless war (yes because the Evanuris fought each others and dragged their followers into the mess...), get killed when they feel they're not worshipped enough that day , get killed because hunting elves was like a hobby for some , get killed because they unleashed monster on the country side and went lalalalal , get killed because they felt like going on vacation into the void and brought back plagues.....
And get killed because you only had Mythal to cry to and she think you aren't worth her time and justice ...so she would kill you.
I'd give some prop to our friend , Solas , at the very least he tried to get rid of the religious nonsense but as far as killing go ....well Felassan.
SAid to the God of rebellion you want to let some people rebel because they deserve to prove themselves...get...killed.
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