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[Reznore57]

I've brought this up before, but the thread died before the discussion could go anywhere. How is it possible that Dalish warriors are hunters?

Think about it. Hunting weapons are almost always long ranged. The only exception is the spear due to its greater reach. Can you imagine an elf chasing after a deer while flailing a sword about?

 

For big animals you might want a couple of guys with shields pushing the beast into a safe corner.

Though I wouldn't go poking a bear at arm length.

Or maybe having a warrior around for smaller animals who might charge .

I'm obviously not a hunter so mmmm...

[Hellion Rex]

Yes, it matters. Where there's life, there's hope, etc. Also, not killing the Inquisitor indicates a positive (for us) change in demeanor from the Solas that killed Felassan. 

Not convinced. He spared the life of one person. And yet, it is not enough to stay his hand in the grand scheme of things. His stated intent, despite his so called regrets, is to effectively see us all dead. Sparing one life hasn't changed that.

[Vorathrad]

I've brought this up before, but the thread died before the discussion could go anywhere. How is it possible that Dalish warriors are hunters?

Think about it. Hunting weapons are almost always long ranged. The only exception is the spear due to its greater reach. Can you imagine an elf chasing after a deer while flailing a sword about?

 

I've never hunted, but I guess they can serve as bodyguards in case they come across bandits or dangerous animals like mentioned above. Also an argument that makes sense, I've seen it before and can't remember whether it was on this thread or another one, it's that Dalish need warriors for protection but at the same time clans have not that many people that they can afford to have idle warriors when there's no one around to fight. So warriors probably learn some other tasks, if they go along with hunters they can learn to track and scout, leaving the actual hunting to the guys with ranged weapons. 

[Mistic]

Also an argument that makes sense, I've seen it before and can't remember whether it was on this thread or another one, it's that Dalish need warriors for protection but at the same time clans have not that many people that they can afford to have idle warriors when there's no one around to fight. So warriors probably learn some other tasks, if they go along with hunters they can learn to track and scout, leaving the actual hunting to the guys with ranged weapons.

 

It's a valid point. One of the possible answers to Josephine when she asks a Dalish Inquisitor about their life in the clan is "Through hard work": "Getting up before dawn to fish, constantly mending wagons and tents, spending days on the hunt..."

 

As far as I know, the answer is the same regardless the class, so at least Clan Lavellan insisted that everyone should help with clan chores. That DA:I imposes weapon restrictions is for gameplay purposes only, and it would be easy to explain as the Inquistor not needing to bother with said chores anymore and using exclusively the weapon they like best.

[Qun00]

I've never hunted, but I guess they can serve as bodyguards in case they come across bandits or dangerous animals like mentioned above. Also an argument that makes sense, I've seen it before and can't remember whether it was on this thread or another one, it's that Dalish need warriors for protection but at the same time clans have not that many people that they can afford to have idle warriors when there's no one around to fight. So warriors probably learn some other tasks, if they go along with hunters they can learn to track and scout, leaving the actual hunting to the guys with ranged weapons.

That's the point. These guys are better suited as guards, not hunters.

Granted, The Masked Empire shows Dalish warriors training with a bow after honing their swordsmanship, but gameplay wise it is impossible for a warrior to change into a rogue whenever he wishes to.

[Wulfram]

I'd just put it down to gameplay, really. Dalish hunters probably use bows, spears and swords.

Sword fighting might also be maintained out of a sense of tradition, even if its not especially well suited to their current lifestyle.

[Addictress]

Okay so what do we know about the connection between Mythal, Fen'Harel and the blight?

Why do people think red lyrium = blight?

I know lyrium has a song
Those affected by the blight hear a song
But there's no confirmation it is the same song. Where is the connection?

[Wulfram]

Bianca says that Red Lyrium is Lyrium that is tainted by the Blight

[Addictress]

Oooh that's right. So it is a recent connection we didn't have until Inquisition.

Um
That's kind of a major discovery to jam into a side quest isn't it.

Do you think Solas directly started the blight due to his veil or isn't from something the other gods did

[Reznore57]

We know the ancient elves and 100% sure Mythal did something to Titans...and build stuff underground.

We also know something bad happened , it is unclear why but the elves peed their pants , sealed whatever place they had underground and ran for their lives.That's from DAI.

Second thing is the Primeval Thaig from DA2 , there was an elven connexion there , strange elven loots you didn't find anywhere else in game.

We know the place was sealed and forgotten too , and there's the red Lyrium Idol , and it didn't really look like a carving of dwarves looking at the lenght of their arms etc...

 

There's nothing saying 100% the elves corrupted the Titans with the Blight!!!

But for now they would be the prime suspect.

If the catastrophe the elves caused underground is indeed the Blight , it seems it was an accident.

[Gervaise]

There is also a throw away comment by Solas during the prologue when you get to the site of the rift and discover there is red lyrium there.   Varric is asking Cassandra how she thinks it got there and Solas mentions how it may have been corrupted by magic.   You tend not to notice the significance first time round but on a later run I particularly picked up on it because it seemed odd that he should have any input on the matter since no one should know about it except those connected with the Deep Roads expedition and those Varric told about it, yet here he is offering an answer to Varric's question, when you would think his first comment would be something to the effect of "Red lyrium, I never knew there was something like that" and then start to discuss its origins.    So I now think that the red lyrium was no surprise to him at all.

 

Also I'm not sure of the significance of the various things you see in Flemeth's bit of the Fade but it would seem there is some sort of connection with the various Creator gods and one part specifically has an example of red lyrium, near the bit that is associated (I think) with Dirthamen the keeper of secrets, so could be a hint that the secret of the origins of red lyrium is tied up in some way with either Mythal or the other Evanuris (or both)

[Reznore57]

There is also a throw away comment by Solas during the prologue when you get to the site of the rift and discover there is red lyrium there.   Varric is asking Cassandra how she thinks it got there and Solas mentions how it may have been corrupted by magic.   You tend not to notice the significance first time round but on a later run I particularly picked up on it because it seemed odd that he should have any input on the matter since no one should know about it except those connected with the Deep Roads expedition and those Varric told about it, yet here he is offering an answer to Varric's question, when you would think his first comment would be something to the effect of "Red lyrium, I never knew there was something like that" and then start to discuss its origins.    So I now think that the red lyrium was no surprise to him at all.

 

Yeah I remember that "corrupted by magic " line.

One of my theory (I have a lot of theories , sorry...) is there is a balance between fade magic and magic coming from Lyrium/Titan.

And if someone use too much fade magic or use it badly with lyrium , you get the Blight.

It might be related to blood or death too , we know a lot of people died at the temple .

[Gervaise]

That's what I thought might be the case.   You have a huge magical explosion over the site of a big pile of lyrium and a lot of agonising death, so hey presto you get red lyrium.   

 

Mind you I also thought that could have been the case when the Magisters entered the Fade using a combination of huge amounts of lyrium and the death of hundreds of slaves, so may be there could have been more than one instance of the creation of red lyrium.

 

Pretty sure there is some sort of connection with the Void, magical power that derives from the Void (like the archdemon's) and the Forgotten Ones who reside in the Void.

[In Exile]

In Exile said that it's clear that Solas is very much like the Evanuris he claims to hate... what I was saying is that I don't believe Solas says anything that indicates he's aware he's "just like them." 

In fact... though I hate the idea, I think this is going to be key in "redeeming" him.  Getting him to realize exactly how far he's gone. 

 

Basically he's a literal translation of the Nietzsche quote: "Beware that, when fighting monsters you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

I think it'll take more - it'll take convincing Solas that the idea of restoring this old world is unnecessary, and that modern people deserve to live. It isn't just about the monstrous crime of killing them all - Solas recognizes that it's a crime. It's about him recognizing their inherent worth, and accepting that his world - and when I say his world, I mean a world that was like the one he remembers - is gone. 

 

 

The thing is, the Evanuris are all going to be enemies anyway because of the Veil.  

 

I do not actually believe Solas made the Veil.. why would you have ancient elven devices to measure the Veil.... if you didn't have a Veil to begin with?  

 

Regardless of that... they'll still want it weakened. 

 

They're going to be enemies because they're all insane megalomaniacs. Even if somehow you could remove the Veil without killing everyone, you've just re-created the ubersmench elven race that trampled the world beneath its heels and was led by a group of immoral god-kings. 

 

The conversation will start with "Don't oppress us!" and end with "Go **** yourselves!" after which the Evanuris would become villains anyway. 

 

[In Exile]

That's what I thought might be the case.   You have a huge magical explosion over the site of a big pile of lyrium and a lot of agonising death, so hey presto you get red lyrium.   

 

Mind you I also thought that could have been the case when the Magisters entered the Fade using a combination of huge amounts of lyrium and the death of hundreds of slaves, so may be there could have been more than one instance of the creation of red lyrium.

 

Pretty sure there is some sort of connection with the Void, magical power that derives from the Void (like the archdemon's) and the Forgotten Ones who reside in the Void.

 

It could also have just fallen out of the "Sky", from the Fade. When we go in the "physical" Fade, we find red lyrium. Whatever the space that Solas locked away the Fade, it had red lyrium. And when you think about it, that makes sense - the Magisters unleashed the blight like morons because they happened to stumble across a huge reserve of red lyrium. 

[Qun00]

It saddens me a bit that due to race being optional, neither the Warden or the Inquisitor can become a source of inspiration to elven children like Garahel is.

[Mistic]

It saddens me a bit that due to race being optional, neither the Warden or the Inquisitor can become a source of inspiration to elven children like Garahel is.

 

Not that Garahel is very well known by normal elven children to begin with. Maybe I'm mistaken, but isn't Duncan the one who informs the City Elf Warden about him?

[Qun00]

Garahel isn't mentioned a lot in DAO. However, it is said in The Last Flight that every elven child knows about him.

[The Ascendant]

I'm a little curious about why Dalish treat spirits and demons as a taboo subject. Merrill was only able to repair her Eluvian thanks to audacity, while her clan treated her like a pariah. It was only thanks to Imshael that Mihris' clan learned anything about the Eluvians to begin with.

[Vorathrad]

Rather than a taboo subject, I think they greatly respect spirits and warn about the dangers of making deals with demons, but they definitely don't seem to make their mages obsess about getting possesssed like Andastrian doctrine does. 

 

Spoiler tags for those who didn't read The Masked Empire.

 

Spoiler

Neither Mihris' clan nor Merrill's seem to have fared very well after those discoveries, in fact it could be argued that the knowledge they acquired wasn't worth the price they paid (or could pay, in Merrill's case) 

[Mistic]

Garahel isn't mentioned a lot in DAO. However, it is said in The Last Flight that every elven child knows about him.

 

Bear in mind that the characters from the current timeline in The Last Flight come from the Anderfels, said to be the only country were the Grey Wardens are still serious business. That Ander elves know about Garahel is as logical as Fereldan elves not hearing of him.

 

Rather than a taboo subject, I think they greatly respect spirits and warn about the dangers of making deals with demons, but they definitely don't seem to make their mages obsess about getting possesssed like Andastrian doctrine does. 

 

Spoiler tags for those who didn't read The Masked Empire.

 

Spoiler

Neither Mihris' clan nor Merrill's seem to have fared very well after those discoveries, in fact it could be argued that the knowledge they acquired wasn't worth the price they paid (or could pay, in Merrill's case) 

 

True. The potential end of the Sabrae is also a cautionary tale.

[The Ascendant]

I suppose Demons and Elves don't mix well. But what about spirits? I remember that Merrill had a conversation with Anders of how spirits are as varied as people. And didn't Velanna create Sylvans (possessed trees). Would love to learn more. Not to mention the revelation regarding the Forbidden Ones.

[Vorathrad]

I think the Dalish are the modern people of Thedas that understand spirits best; their knowledge is nowhere near that of Solas, or any ancient elf, but as you said from what little info we had it seems clear that Dalish see spirits as just another kind of beings, not just potential demons as is the common view. 

 

I'd also love to learn more, and about the Forbidden Ones and the Evanuris; I mentioned before that I don't think what Solas told us is the whole truth about them, and would like to see the rest. As far as I recall, Solas doesn't mention the Forbidden Ones, or the Forgotten Ones, even if story has it that he tricked them too. So I'd love to learn more about them.

[Qun00]

I'm a little curious about why Dalish treat spirits and demons as a taboo subject. Merrill was only able to repair her Eluvian thanks to audacity, while her clan treated her like a pariah. It was only thanks to Imshael that Mihris' clan learned anything about the Eluvians to begin with.

There is no taboo about it. The danger is real.

[The Ascendant]

There is no taboo about it. The danger is real.

So are a lot of fields of study. But by dwelling in ignorance their is no advancement . Yes the situations escalated, but unforeseen circumstances were the result of the incidents, not the subject of study.