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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

ENOUGH.
 
Zathrian's children got destroyed by humans. Zathrian punished them in a very particular way but in his rage and grief took it too far even when it started affecting his clan. The end.

"Good. Good. Let the hate flow."

[Heimdall]

I questioned how the werewolves would even know that they wanted to be human considering they've NEVER been human. Aren't the werewolves descended from a bunch of murdering rapists? They couldn't know. I guess Bioware just waved the magical BS wand, and the Naked 34DD Spirit somehow gifted the mongrels insight? Whatever. Time and time again, the humans of Thedas, as a collective, prove themselves an awful bunch. Bioware only ever provides us with exceptions, not the rule.

 

If it weren't for the BS ending, I'd say keep the mongrels as they are: dogs.

The "humans of Thedas" aren't a collective.  Collective judgments are stupid.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The "humans of Thedas" aren't a collective.  Collective judgments are stupid.

Ooh I'm going to kill humans who have been killing my fellow elves in alienages and slaves from Orlais and Tevinter, I'll make it my life's work to liberate elves from those things.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

If the Internet has taught me anything, it is that nobody can change someone's opinion. No matter what it is.

Have you ever come across any long debate that ends with one of the parties saying "Wow, I've never considered that. You're right". They just keep trying to prove each other wrong until both are exhausted.

Believe it or not, I actually have. But I see your point.

 

Do we have any details about how an actual Arlathvhen is conducted? I might want to include one in a story. For example, does it have to be Keepers that show up or can they send representatives, such as Firsts or even just a chosen member of the clan?

[In Exile]

Seriously I admired the Dalish for sticking to their beliefs and to never submit to humans.

But they completely submit to humans. They've built an entire society and culture around running away from humans and living in forests to not annoy the humans enough into destroying them. The fact they've come up with a lot of rhetoric doesn't change the fact that they're forest dwelling nomads who dispersed immediately after their society fell and who do structure their lives in such a way as not to annoy the humans into attacking them.

[Mistic]

But they completely submit to humans. They've built an entire society and culture around running away from humans and living in forests to not annoy the humans enough into destroying them. The fact they've come up with a lot of rhetoric doesn't change the fact that they're forest dwelling nomads who dispersed immediately after their society fell and who do structure their lives in such a way as not to annoy the humans into attacking them.

 

Lack of opposition isn't exactly the same as submission. It would be like saying that criminals who avoid capture are submitting to justice. Dalish don't convert, don't follow human laws and don't give their mage children to the Circles. But most important of all, they don't pay taxes   

[Gervaise]

The alternative to wandering around as nomads would be to submit to the same treatment as the city elves.   Actually there are Dalish who are semi-permanent up in Rivain, probably because up there the Chantry isn't all powerful and the tradition of Rivaini wise women, who are mages and lead the community, is very similar to the tradition of the Dalish and their Keepers (except Dalish Keepers can be male or female).     The degree to which the Dalish are willing to interact with humans settlements depends largely on how the humans regard the Dalish.    I fail to understand how anyone can regard refusing to submit to the rules set down by the Chantry and constantly keeping on the move in order to stop them being enforced on them is submitting to humans.   Avoiding antagonising humans is just common sense, plus there are some things that the Dalish can't make for themselves and can only acquire by either trade or theft.    The sensible, more peaceful Dalish opt for trade; the more aggressive ones resort to banditry.   The former probably have settlements they return to regularly and with whom they are on reasonably good terms; the latter get away with their aggression so long as they don't upset anyone too important with it (look at how little assistance Crestwood got from the local nobility or the refugees in the Hinterlands - without the Inquisition they would be dead).   Bandits seem to frequent the highways and byways of Thedas, whether human or not.

 

I really don't understand how people are disparaging of the Dalish because they are nomads, when in our world historically there have been plenty of nomadic cultures which are just a valid as the sedentary ones.    I seem to recall that Merrill comments how not having a homeland is probably a good thing because they have nothing that the humans particularly want.      The Lavellan clan apparently make good use of the rivalry between individual city states in the Freemarches in order to avoid being harassed by constantly crossing the border between one state and the other.    So the Dalish use their nomadic state to their advantage.

[stop_him]

The "humans of Thedas" aren't a collective.  Collective judgments are stupid.

 

Like how the humans of Thedas as a collective judge elves? 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Like how the humans of Thedas as a collective judge elves?

Spoiler

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Like how the humans of Thedas as a collective judge elves? 

Is that what Cassandra does when she looks to a Lavellan for leadership? Is that why Josie bothers to learn what she does of elvhen? Cus all humans, as a collective, judge elves?

 

As Heimdall said, collective judgments are stupid.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Is that what Cassandra does when she looks to a Lavellan for leadership? Is that why Josie bothers to learn what she does of elvhen? Cus all humans, as a collective, judge elves?

As Heimdall said, collective judgments are stupid.

Diversity will never work just because few people don't hate elves you know.

[Heimdall]

Like how the humans of Thedas as a collective judge elves?

Humans aren't a hive mind. At no point did humans as a group judge elves.

[Lady Artifice]

Like how the humans of Thedas as a collective judge elves? 

 

Except for all the human characters who don't. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Hate to break it up to you they do have a hive mind to hate someone who is different. Why you think the elves are oppressed because of it?

[Lady Artifice]

Hate to break it up to you they do have a hive mind to hate someone who is different. Why you think the elves are oppressed because of it?

 

The same reason people oppress each other in real life, bigotry, greed, and ignorance. Universal failings that are best combatted with education and empathy. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

The same reason people oppress each other in real life, bigotry, greed, and ignorance. Universal failings that are best combatted with education and empathy.

I admired that about you.

[stop_him]

Except for all the human characters who don't. 

 

Exceptions, not the rule. Even then, the ones who are not blatantly racist probably don't give two sh!ts about an alienage burning. If humans, as a collective actually cared, they would have put a stop to purges long ago. Humans, as a collective, have not. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Diversity will never work just because few people don't hate elves you know.

You mean other than the multiple times diversity has worked? Like for example the Circle of Magi, the Grey Wardens, both Inquisitions, and even the Chantry and Templars. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Exceptions, not the rule. Even then, the ones who are not blatantly racist probably don't give two sh!ts about an alienage burning. If humans, as a collective actually cared, they would have put a stop to purges long ago. Humans, as a collective, have not.

High five!!

[Heimdall]

Exceptions, not the rule. Even then, the ones who are not blatantly racist probably don't give two sh!ts about an alienage burning. If humans, as a collective actually cared, they would have put a stop to purges long ago. Humans, as a collective, have not.

Just because a broad majority are at best apathetic toward the elves doesn't mean you can judge all humans by the worst of them. There's a word for that kind of racial generalization: racism.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You mean other than the multiple times diversity has worked? Like for example the Circle of Magi, the Grey Wardens, both Inquisitions, and even the Chantry and Templars.

But elves never reaped the benefits didn't they?

[Lady Artifice]

I admired that about you.

 

And I might have believed that, before you accused everyone with my skin color of malevolence. 

[Steelcan]

The elf is the enemy of humankind, and as the enemy he must be purged wherever he is, whatever hole he crawls himself into, there can be no mercy for their vile and deceptive race.

[Vit246]

The elf is the enemy of humankind, and as the enemy he must be purged wherever he is, whatever hole he crawls himself into, there can be no mercy for their vile and deceptive race.

 

"You humans are all racist!"

[Red of Rivia]

The elf is the enemy of humankind, and as the enemy he must be purged wherever he is, whatever hole he crawls himself into, there can be no mercy for their vile and deceptive race.

Praise the God Emperor.