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Does that line only happen if you're playing male Lavellan? I don't remember getting it with female Lavellan, though I might just be forgetting.


Honestly I wouldn't know, I've only played male Lavellan. I thought that he had the same conversations for both male and female? Like the same convo for male and female Trevelyan, etc.

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I thought I remembered seeing a similar option or result in the dialogue wheel for female elves too.



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It's a fantasy setting. You're bound to find "esoteric" stuff of some kind: magic, demons/spirits, other realms, etc.

 

As for Synthesis, I don't think the same solution is presented. Synthesis is a proposed solution to the organics/synthetics conflict: to merge them into a new form of life. As for spirits and humans, they inhabit different realms; Solas introduces the possibility of them coexisting in the same space by saying that it used to be that way many years ago. There is no proposal of a new life form by merging spirits and mortals; in fact, when mergings do occur they have disastrous consequences except with extremely powerful beings such as Flemeth. 

 

Of course, I'm gonna find it. I'm talking about changing entire settings.. 

 

I don't have to like every story in a setting, but I'd prefer the setting itself to be neutral on the kind of themes and motifs it pushes. Let alone how it starts defining the nature of life and existence. I'm out when things get too dorky. 

 

That said, I don't know if it'd happen here. I just see some of the writing on the wall. 

 

As for fantasy in general, it's pretty split on how much it pushes this stuff as a positive. For every Tolkien, there's a Robert E Howard.



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I actually loved the Sera/Lavellan romance as a Dalish losing her faith. I will freely admit that Tressa is an outlier though - she was someone keen to experience and understand other points of view (which was why she jumped at the chance to spy on the conclave) and in terms of elves, you don't get much more "other" than Sera. She saw her as an interesting puzzle and ended up falling for her. The Seramance is actually really sweet in many places, and as Tressa had lost her faith by the time of the post-Mythal confrontation, that wasn't an issue. My whole first playthrough felt like it was made for the character I'd imagined for Tressa before the game came out, and the Seramance was a big part of that.

 

I'd take issue with the idea that Sera is "anti-elf" though. She's "anti-elven-culture", sure, but her reaction when you come across those murdered elven servants in Halamshiral tells you that she cares very much. What she wants is for everyone to be treated the same, regardless of birth (hence her disdain for nobility) or race, and she sees elves hanging onto what she perceives to be a failed culture as holding them back. She'd rather fight for all the oppressed people of Thedas rather than single out her race, and given her unique upbringing that's understandable.

 

By the way, I'm not saying that I agree with Sera's views on elven culture. Far from it, in fact, but I do find her to be a much more fascinating and nuanced character than people give her credit for.


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I don't have to like every story in a setting, but I'd prefer the setting itself to be neutral on the kind of themes and motifs it pushes. Let alone how it starts defining the nature of life and existence. I'm out when things get too dorky. 

 

Personally, I love all the lore about the Fade, the veil, demons and the nature of the elves. It's very close to Irish legends and also has some aspects of Buddhism (is Cole a bodhisattva?). But I'm an NP person. :)
 
Still, one needs the Chantry, the Templars and the Circle, or there would be no conflict to drive the story.

 

By the way, I'm not saying that I agree with Sera's views on elven culture. Far from it, in fact, but I do find her to be a much more fascinating and nuanced character than people give her credit for.

 

The theory tying her to Andruil did make me perk up my pointy ears and re-examine my feelings about Sera. I have a visceral reaction to her after spending too much time irl dealing with a person who has BPD/NPD, but I do enjoy her as a complicated character with whom I often disagree. I'm not convinced she actually cares about other people though, and perhaps I need to attempt to navigate her conversations and figure that out.


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Personally, I love all the lore about the Fade, the veil, demons and the nature of the elves. It's very close to Irish legends and also has some aspects of Buddhism (is Cole a bodhisattva?). But I'm an NP person. :)
 

 

 

I'm one of the SPs that can at least entertain and humor NPs.

 

 

I don't think Cole has any real insight like a Bodhi. He's a cheat and a mindreader. He doesn't use the actual process of living and exploring things the same way people do. Buddhists literally believe it takes them a process of multiple lifetimes to be that way.

 

But I'm probably taking you too literally. ;)



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The theory tying her to Andruil did make me perk up my pointy ears and re-examine my feelings about Sera. I have a visceral reaction to her after spending too much time irl dealing with a person who has BPD/NPD, but I do enjoy her as a complicated character with whom I often disagree. I'm not convinced she actually cares about other people though, and perhaps I need to attempt to navigate her conversations and figure that out.

She certainly cares about the Inquisitor in a romance. See that quote in my signature? It's from her "cabinet of wonder whose it was" if you dance with her at Halamshiral. She'll also give the Inquisitor a pet name which really adds depth and a personal touch to the romance.

By the way, the contents of that cabinet change throughout the game based on the Inquisitor's race, expressed religious views an what has gone on. It adds some nice details like her trying (and sometimes failing) to read books based on the Inquisitor's race or religious views, weaving a bracelet from a lock of a romanced Inquisitor's hair etc.

In terms of caring in a broader sense, a recent example would be In Jaws of Hakkon when gathering Ameridan's memories: Another companion (it happened with Cass and then I reloaded and it was Dorian) will comment about how he sacrificed himself to save Orlais and yet no one knew. Sera's reply is "People people don't do things so you know them. Good on him."

She consistently approves of you helping people in The Hinterlands. The reason she approves if you conscript either the mages or the Templars and disapproves of an alliance is that she thinks that they fought their war while not caring about the little people who got caught in the crossfire. Yeah I'd say that she really cares.
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I think Lavellan is the favorite of many people, specially female. The amount of mods available for female Lavellan is ten times more than other races.

 

Anyway I started my first playtrhough with mods. I am quite happy, in this picture you see green spirit blade, which is fittingly used by the hand that has anchor on it, it also has a better "elven theme" on knight enchanter thing. Also check Inquisitor Icon! I am a very happy elf right now!  :)

 

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Do Dalish clans have warriors? You know, as in swordsmen. Or is it just hunters and mages?

Do DAO Elven fans fit here? I like the Dalish more there (and CE even more). It's a similar story (fate changed by an ancient artifact), but I like the personal connections of the clan...and how that story sort of continues into DA2. I like how it's a bit reversed too, where the elf uncovers new lore about Andraste in the Sacred Ashes quest, rather than uncovering Elven lore here. It's tempting for me to have a Dalish reassess and even convert to Andrastianism, rather than be someone who confirms their bias in this one. Among other things.

I think it might've been a disappointment to Gaider that it wasn't very popular... maybe that's why he made the default Warden a Dalish.


There is an advantage to playing a Dalish elf in DA:I.

Your character walks out of the Temple Mythal with a different view of elven history.

Dalish lore holds that their fall was delivered by the shemlen. To learn the truth about one of the very pillars of your culture is a huge privilege the Warden never had.

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Do Dalish clans have warriors? You know, as in swordsmen. Or is it just hunters and mages?


There is an advantage to playing a Dalish elf in DA:I.

Your character walks out of the Temple Mythal with a different view of elven history.

Dalish lore holds that their fall was delivered by the shemlen. To learn the truth about one of the very pillars of your culture is a huge privilege the Warden never had.


The Dalish have warriors. In The Masked Empire novel, Michel watches a group of them train and notes on the similarity between his own training.

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I think Lavellan is the favorite of many people, specially female. The amount of mods available for female Lavellan is ten times more than other races.

Anyway I started my first playtrhough with mods. I am quite happy, in this picture you see green spirit blade, which is fittingly used by the hand that has anchor on it, it also has a better "elven theme" on knight enchanter thing. Also check Inquisitor Icon! I am a very happy elf right now! :)

ehV7zja.jpg


That looks damn awesome!

wow

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The Dalish have warriors. In The Masked Empire novel, Michel watches a group of them train and notes on the similarity between his own training.


What are their warriors like? As in, the kind of armor and weapons they use.

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Doesn't the very fact that Maharial could be a warrior prove they have warriors?



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Could be just for player freedom.

It doesn't need to make sense.

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Fenarel is also a warrior in DA2. Same as Mahariel can be... sword and shield. They used ironwood weapons.. that's about the only difference.

 

 

They also taught the original Aveline from legend.. she was raised by Dalish, as a warrior. Then she went to her people (Orlais) and kicked ass. She used an ironwood/Dalish shield, which made they make replicas of (which you give to DA2 Aveline as a gift).


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What is their typical role in the clans?

I'd suspect that it rarely is necessary to send them to battle.

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Dalish Shield

 

Dar'Misaan

 

Dal'Thanaan

 

Dal'Thanu

 

Back on page 1, TheMageGuy plays as a sword and shield Dalish Inquisitor. It might be less common for people who choose to play as elves to choose the warrior class, though I don't have any statistics on it. As far as lore goes, there's evidence for Dalish warriors, and it's reasonable to assume that the Dalish may have turned more to the bow because of their outlaw status (parallels with Án Bow-Bender and Robinhood, for instance). 

 

It also invites comparisons the the Germanic raiding tribes. Only the elite had swords. Armor was considered effete, and the most common weapon was the spear (which we don't even have in DA - wouldn't that be interesting?). Veering off-topic, here's a fascinating article on a Danish sacrificial site that contains some information on weapons:

 

"The Alken bog dead, by contrast, were buried with typically German iron axes, spears and wooden clubs. They were Germans with German weapons."

 

Despite being nomads, there's evidence that they had metallurgical skills. Anyway, it's moot because of ironbark!


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http://dragonage.wik...Emerald_Knights

Info on the Emerald Knights.

For RP, inquisition provides many different named weapons and even halla mounts.
My Melora, wears the vallaslin of June and will wield Evanura, a sword believed to have been crafted by the high keeper of June, and given to the first Emerald Knight.

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I was thinking about red lyrium, the elves, the Fade, the corruption of the Golden City and where blood magic came from, and I found this Irish story interesting - just for fun and maybe some discussion about the role of elves in the history of Thedas:

 

"King Conaire, in riding along a road toward Tara, saw in front of him three strange horsemen, three men of the Sidhe:--'Three red frocks had they, and three red mantles: three red steeds they bestrode, and three red heads of hair were on them. Red were they all, both body and hair and raiment, both steeds and men... before they disappeared, one of the Three said to the king's son riding so furiously behind them, 'Lo, my son, great the news. Weary are the steeds we ride. We ride the steeds of Donn Tetscorach from the elfmounds. Though we are alive we are dead. Great are the signs: destruction of life: sating of ravens: feeding of crows, strife of slaughter: wetting of sword-edge, shields with broken bosses in hours after sundown. Lo, my son!' Then they disappear. When Conaire and his followers heard the message, fear fell upon them, and the king said: 'All my taboos have seized me to-night, since those Three Reds are the banished folks.' In this passage we behold three horsemen of the Sidhe banished from their elfmound because guilty of falsehood."



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http://dragonage.wik...Emerald_Knights

Info on the Emerald Knights.

For RP, inquisition provides many different named weapons and even halla mounts.
My Melora, wears the vallaslin of June and will wield Evanura, a sword believed to have been crafted by the high keeper of June, and given to the first Emerald Knight.

There are halla mounts? I'm aware of the harts, but halla? 



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There are halla mounts? I'm aware of the harts, but halla? 

Not in DAI. The wiki says:

 

"In promotional materials the Red Hart is incorrectly named "Red Hart Halla". Mike Laidlaw has confirmed that this is an error."

 

and the codex on halla:

 

"No creature is more revered by the Dalish than the halla. No other animal has a god of its own. These white stags are much larger than ordinary deer, and the Dalish halla keepers carve their antlers as they grow, making them curve into intricate designs. In ancient times, these stags bore elven knights into combat, but since the fall of the Dales, they are used less as mounts and more to pull the aravels."

 

I wonder if they had to use harts in DAI because the halla are so small? My elf looks tiny on her hart, and I was thinking yesterday about how the mounts have to accommodate Qunari.

 

So if the halla are supposed to be "much larger than ordinary deer," ordinary deer must be miniscule!
 



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Loved the harts on my elves speaks of majestic levels of epicness

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I wonder if they had to use harts in DAI because the halla are so small? My elf looks tiny on her hart, and I was thinking yesterday about how the mounts have to accommodate Qunari.

 

My personal theory is that the halla we saw in-game were wild, and domesticated halla who pull the aravels are probably larger and stronger.  Or the developers made a small mistake :P  DA:I had so much going on that I'm sure something like halla size could be forgotten.



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I think the size of the Halla in game was ridiculous, considering that the Halla guy seemed to imply that they were the same Halla they used.   However, I suppose a whole team of them could pull an aravel.    May be the Halla in the past were bigger then, although that codex makes it pretty clear the Halla should be bigger.   If they are wild Halla why are they only found in the Exalted Plains?    Prior to the civil war that was farm land, so the farmers would have killed off the Halla pretty quick, particularly with the bounty for Halla antlers.     Now you'd think the Emerald Graves would be an ideal place for the Halla but no, there we had August rams.

 

I always thought it pretty daft riding any sort of deer.   Physically they are not designed for it.   Plus the antlers get in the way.   There is a reason why people tamed horses to ride and not deer.   Reindeer are used as pack animals and to pull sleighs but not for riding. 

 

I think that Dalish warriors would be charged with guarding the clan and protecting foragers when they go out collecting herbs and berries, etc.    So they would concentrate on perfecting close combat skills, while the archers would predominantly engage in hunting.     Since the race bonus is for ranged weapons, they sort of steered you towards making your Dalish a rogue or mage; otherwise your race bonus was wasted.  

 

Slightly unrelated to Dalish but to do with slavery, I just realised today that Garahel, the great elven hero of the 4th Blight (a city elf) defeated Andoral, who was the god of slaves.    Sort of poetic justice there I feel.    I wonder if the writers did it deliberately or it was just coincidence?



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That's what I thought serelir. No halla mounts just harts hence the confusion. Theory time: Halla historically used to be a lot bigger. Or a mistake by devs. Or graphics/lore segregation. Hell maybe halls are just really strong ?? They're kinda magical I guess.

Or I guess maybe harts are of halla stock but for riding..? Iirc in the temple of mythal we see paintings of elves riding what look like harts. And hart statues and stuff.

There is one kind of dalish horse that appears iirc the dalish all-bred. Unless its actually bred by men living in the dales not the dalish elves themselves.

Ha I really wish the writers would clarify the halls thing lol.