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[Serelir]

I dug into my screenshots from DAO and found some halla:

 

 

Look at all those mage skillz! I'd forgotten just how wonderful that was. So... Alistair is standing a little bit downhill from that halla.

 

Let's check it against DAI:

 

 

My unscientific observation is that even though my Inquisitor is shorter than Alistair, the halla have shrunk. That halla is right next to an aravel, so it's most likely an aravel-pulling beast (though there are the sails and the magic to take up the slack).

 

Thedas is just going down the can! Shrinking halla symbolize the diminishment of elven culture. Next thing we know, they'll take away our pint glasses, grrr!

[Roamingmachine]

That's what I thought serelir. No halla mounts just harts hence the confusion. Theory time: Halla historically used to be a lot bigger. Or a mistake by devs. Or graphics/lore segregation. Hell maybe halls are just really strong ?? They're kinda magical I guess.

Or I guess maybe harts are of halla stock but for riding..? Iirc in the temple of mythal we see paintings of elves riding what look like harts. And hart statues and stuff.

There is one kind of dalish horse that appears iirc the dalish all-bred. Unless its actually bred by men living in the dales not the dalish elves themselves.

Ha I really wish the writers would clarify the halls thing lol.

 
Halla are big, moose sized creatures as shown in the screenshots above and implied in the codex.  The graphical designers of DAI just made one of their many derps with their version of them.
 

I figure the Halla didn't pull the Aravels much anyways. Read Last Flight.

They only pull the aravels whenever they are moving

[Solas]

Is there a source saying it was a graphic design derp?

[Roamingmachine]

Is there a source saying it was a graphic design derp?

No, just common sense seeing the massive disrepancy between how the Halla are described in the canon codex and how they are shown in-game. DAO had them right.

[Roamingmachine]

Now, to get back on topic and because i feel like writing (inspired by the poster who asked if the Dalish had warriors and what their duties are). Not as or as fun to write as my other stories but what the heck.

 

 

Skyhold training grounds. Enna and Cassandra are sparring with Enna wielding blunt axe and a shield against Cassandra's training sword and shield. Steel rings against steel, faces of both combatants glistening with sweat with no ground being gained by either. Suddenly Enna gives a quick, sharp kick to Cassandra's support leg, making her sag for a heartbeat that is just long enough for the Inquisitor to bash her to the ground with her shield. Seeing her opportunity finally, Enna dashes forward to deliver a match-ending blow to her fallen opponent with her axe only to have her blow firmly blocked by Cassandras sword and thrown back by a kick to the chest.

Panting and drenched in sweat, the pair recovers and resume circling eachother, looking for openings.

Cullen:  "Enough! Time!  I need the ring for the troops now and you two have been going at it for over an hour!"

With their gazes locked , Enna and Cassandra come to a stop. Then, taking a deep breath, both stand tall and give eachother a salute and exit the ring. The fight is over with no victor.

They make their way to a nearby barrel of water in silence and take turns drinking and pouring water over their faces with a ladle.

Cassandra: "Unorthodox as ever.That kick hurt even through my cuisse. There's even a dent there!"

Enna chuckled, tapping the vedge shaped greaves on her legs against the barrel.

Enna: "Ironbark. My son designed and shaped them spesificly to make kicks like that effective through armor."

Cassandra: "Well, they most certainly work. Do all of your warriors fight like you? I know you are a descendant of an Emerald Knight and you have traditions coming from there but i am curious about the Dalish way of war."

Enna: "If by 'fighting like me' you mean being light on my feet and being choosy about which pieces of armor i wear or don't wear, then yes."

The inquisitor drank a ladle of water greedily.

Enna: "We need to be able to go from stalking prey to fighting off enemies without preparation in any kind of terrain. How we move and equip ourselves reflect this."

Cassandra took the ladle and poured more water on her face.

Cassandra: "I thought as much. From what you have told me about life in the clan, i imagine the training starts early for your warriors too."

Enna: "Hunters, my friend, hunters. And yes, when we see our children display talent in something we start honing that talent. All of us are expected to defend the clan when necessary, though, so every member of the clan is proficent with the bow at the very least."

Cassandra: "You keep calling your warriors 'hunters'. Is there truly no difference between the two with your people?" 

Enna: "Should there be? Sometimes we kill to feed our clan, other times to keep them safe. Mostly it's the former."

The inquisitor stretched her aching muscles.

Enna: "Like everyone else, hunters are just a part of the bigger whole that is the clan. Doesn't mean that we don't have young braves hungering for personal glory but ultimately the only glory we know comes from greatness in whatever way we serve the clan and the People."

Cassandra: "Practicality again. A quality i've come to admire most about your people. Well, i thank you for the spar, my friend, and the talk. It was an honor."

Enna: "Likewise dear friend."

And with that the two parted for their duties.

[Gervaise]

Your description fits the way my Dalish was in DAO.   There we weren't restricted in our use of weapons by class.    You could have a sword or swords equipped in one weapon slot and a bow in the other and switch between the two.    There I took the Ranger class and did have a wolf follow me around.   At the time I didn't even know it was part of our heritage from the Emerald Knights.     Of course the Arcane Warrior was just that; a mage who wore proper armour and could wield a real sword.    I do miss the old days with wider range of magic available and big Halla.   The only improvement in DAI is being able to play a Dalish mage.   It is just a pity that we weren't able to have a specialisation that reflected their culture.  

 

I still feel that the warrior class would be more likely to stay close to camp, keeping an eye out for danger and watching over the children as they play, etc.    Also if part of a hunting party it would be their job to keep off any scavengers while the others carried the prey back to camp.    The rogue class would be better at stalking and tracking.

 

The flying aravels in Last Flight were lore breaking since we'd been told in DAO that such things are not possible, yet apparently they now have flying cows in Minrathous so who knows.     Still I never thought that aravels could fly.    They are called land ships for a reason.    The sails help push them along, taking some of the strain off the Halla but not lift them off the ground.      Anyway, the ruts in the ground in the Exalted Plains would not have presented such a problem if the aravels could fly  

[Serelir]

 yet apparently they now have flying cows in Minrathous so who knows.  

I got the feeling that Dorian wasn't referring to magic, but who knows indeed? This is what popped into my head.

[winteriscoming]

 

I still feel that the warrior class would be more likely to stay close to camp, keeping an eye out for danger and watching over the children as they play, etc.    Also if part of a hunting party it would be their job to keep off any scavengers while the others carried the prey back to camp.    The rogue class would be better at stalking and tracking.

 

 

I agree. I also feel this way about dual wield rogues as well. I feel as though archers are more "hunters" as in actually hunting and providing food/resources. I just can't see an elf charging after a deer with huge 2H sword. I suppose daggers could work if they stealthed? But I will always automatically picture an archer as a hunter.

[Karlone123]

 

 

Dear Keeper,

 

Humans are a very strange people.

Today, I was invited to one of their own Arlathven which they call "Aball". It took place in a Winter palace which I found remarkable since it's the height of Summer. Perhaps some spells from human mages?

 

Regardless, we were there because their Keeper, Empress of clan Celene, was the target of an assassination. As luck would have it, I happened to chance upon her as soon as I entered.

Naturally, I imediatelly warned her of the danger.

Now, in the clans, people tend to be grateful when warned of danger and take steps to prevent it. But, for some reason, the humans seemed upset with me rather than worried about the assassin. They just continued dancing, if you can believe it, while acting has if I had spit on the floor.

 

Now, I must finish this letter. This new Keeper Gaspard said he wished to invite me to a wyvern hunt. The war must have depleted Orlais' foodstores so, I must send them relief.

 

 

This is beyond adorable.

[themageguy]

I figure Harts are to hala is what the falcon is to a falconet - related in the same animal tree, but are of different sizes.

[Roamingmachine]

 

I still feel that the warrior class would be more likely to stay close to camp, keeping an eye out for danger and watching over the children as they play, etc.    Also if part of a hunting party it would be their job to keep off any scavengers while the others carried the prey back to camp.    The rogue class would be better at stalking and tracking.

 

 

 

This is actually a good way to showcase how the traditional fantasy rpg classes, which are generally based on 'civilized' sedentary societies work poorly with a tribal faction like the Dalish.

 Like streetmagic above said, we have to separate the gameplay mechanics(classes) from the lore.To the Dalish there would be no meaningful distinction between a warrior and a rogue. All of them would be proficent with the bow and would have the same duties. The dual-use of the hunters just makes sense considering that the Dalish don't actually do all that much fighting while they do plenty of hunting and they don't generally have the people/resources to have some of their most able-bodied people basically doing nothing most of the time.

 

Gods i miss my dual wield warrior Mahariel in leather armor who had a bow as a backup ;_;  (the bow saved my butt a couple of times too)

[Gervaise]

I agree that it worked much better in DAO.    The fact is that it often makes much more sense to sneak up as close as you can and then use your bow, only resorting to your sword if you are engaged in close combat.     It was one of my biggest regrets that in DA2 they made warrior class restricted to melee weapons.     Still at least the rogue class could still swap between the two mid battle.   When fighting the high dragon I mostly used my bow but swapped to my knives when the dragonlings attacked.

 

Now it is impossible to swap mid battle.    I also found the dual wield mechanics really frustrating and clunky, so my rogue became exclusively an archer.     It is a shame that the classes became less varied because back in DAO it was possible to develop your build in one way if you were a Dalish to fit with your culture and another if you were say, a human noble.   

 

So my comments about the warrior staying close to camp is just how  I worked round the game mechanics to make it fit their back story.   I entirely agree that if you were sticking to what would be the reality for the Dalish, then they would be proficient with bow and melee (though probably better with one or the other) and able to swap effortlessly between the two.

[Solas]

Yeah, I play a Dalish Warrior and the lore still says she was a proficient hunter for the clan. I figure two things:

1) "Hunter" to Dalish clans means not only literal-hunter-of-food but the-guys-who-do-the-guarding-and-fighting-type-duties

2) Warrior-class Lavellans would still likely be proficient with tools of actual hunting, such as the bow.

 

Plus all the stuff said above about how Dalish do have smiths, trade for metal, have made armor, ironbark, drilling in TME, history of the knights, etc.

[Serelir]

Now it is impossible to swap mid battle.    I also found the dual wield mechanics really frustrating and clunky, so my rogue became exclusively an archer.     It is a shame that the classes became less varied because back in DAO it was possible to develop your build in one way if you were a Dalish to fit with your culture and another if you were say, a human noble.  

I'm having the same trouble with my DW Dalish rogue. I love the knives and the quick action, but for certain fights, he simply needs to stand on the side and wait for the tank or mage to disable a two-hander boss who has a 360 degree hammer attack. I'm sticking with him for now, but I can't see how dragon fights are going to work.

 

I also miss the different mage skill trees. It would make the races so much more interesting if they had different kinds of magic from each other, or if warriors had race-based weapons expertise. It would encourage players to try out the different races and see Thedas from a new perspective.

[Lulupab]

I also miss the different mage skill trees. It would make the races so much more interesting if they had different kinds of magic from each other, or if warriors had race-based weapons expertise. It would encourage players to try out the different races and see Thedas from a new perspective.

 

That's actually the case in the lore, the combat team are lazy to do it. For example Qunari are spear experts. Most Antivan units prefer dual wield duelist styles. Dwarven weapons have better reach for them due to them being short. We also saw Dalish specific daggers and swords in DAO, they were like LOTR elven swords, but also bent.

[Bowie Hawkins]

She certainly cares about the Inquisitor in a romance. See that quote in my signature? It's from her "cabinet of wonder whose it was" if you dance with her at Halamshiral. She'll also give the Inquisitor a pet name which really adds depth and a personal touch to the romance.

 

And she sounds so happy when she greets the Inquisitor with it. 

[winteriscoming]

Yeah, I play a Dalish Warrior and the lore still says she was a proficient hunter for the clan. I figure two things:

1) "Hunter" to Dalish clans means not only literal-hunter-of-food but the-guys-who-do-the-guarding-and-fighting-type-duties

2) Warrior-class Lavellans would still likely be proficient with tools of actual hunting, such as the bow.

 

Plus all the stuff said above about how Dalish do have smiths, trade for metal, have made armor, ironbark, drilling in TME, history of the knights, etc.

 

That's Gryff! I recognized the pic immediately because I am a professional Tumblr lurker.

[Qun00]

I wonder what the criteria usually is when an young Dalish elf chooses what vallaslin s/he wants.

[raging_monkey]

Probably just choice

[Solas]

That's Gryff! I recognized the pic immediately because I am a professional Tumblr lurker.

It is indeed!    I thank you for your lurking patronage and feel psyched that someone recognizes my Inquiz on sight 

 

I wanna attend an Arlathvhen ingame some day.. hopefully nobody blows up that meeting.

[winteriscoming]

I'd love to see everyone's Lavellan...I know y'all are all hoarding 2871293 pictures.

 

Mine are still on my PS4, but I shall be moving them to my computer soon. Please share! The only thing I like more than talking about my OCs is hearing about everyone else's.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I wanna attend an Arlathvhen ingame some day.. hopefully nobody blows up that meeting.

 

We are overdue for an elven event (and especially a Dalish one) that goes off swimmingly  Prancing halla, lots of dancing, Lavellan can even facilitate some cultural exchange by bringing Orlesian frilly cakes!  You know, spoonful of sugar for the medicine of "Everything we thought we knew is wrong." 

[Solas]

We are overdue for an elven event (and especially a Dalish one) that goes off swimmingly  Prancing halla, lots of dancing, Lavellan can even facilitate some cultural exchange by bringing Orlesian frilly cakes!  You know, spoonful of sugar for the medicine of "Everything we thought we knew is wrong." 

Dragon Age 4 will begin with an Arlathvhen which all races send an envoy to because it's a hugely influential Arlathvhen that will be discussing the future of elves in Thedas (alliance with City Elves? Rebel against the humans?) and could therefore be impactful for everyone not just the Dalish.

 

It will be promptly blown up by a renegade ancient being with delusions of godhood, tearing open a massive hole in the ground to the remaining Archdemons and darkspawn end up swarming Thedas and it's up to us The Chosen One to stop it and save the World.