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[ZoliCs]

Honest answer? ... The Claymore. I just love using it on what people call power-intensive kits and then hear them cry when I cut the head off clean from that baddy they were about to detonate

 

Amen

[muy_thaiguy]

Duh! Geth Spitfire on all the Adepts and Engineers!

[7twozero]

Adas, phaeston, chakram.

[Zenigma]

Avenger -- it's deadly on full-auto

[RayD3MSoC]

Saber by a mile.

 

How do you figure? The Saber is heavy and I have not heard great things about it, but I have not tried it much beyond finishing challenges.

 

TheNightSlasher mentioned it too... Perhaps I better get to testing.

 

 

 

Honest answer? ... The Claymore. I just love using it on what people call power-intensive kits and then hear them cry when I cut the head off clean from that baddy they were about to detonate

 

But...the Wraith exists.

[justinman114]

Lancer.

[ZoliCs]

How do you figure? The Saber is heavy and I have not heard great things about it, but I have not tried it much beyond finishing challenges.

 

It's very good with stagger/stun powers to line up headshots.

[TheNightSlasher]

Saber X with max capacity in passives will result in CDs on most powers between 3 and 3.5s.

With gears like omni capacitators and/or ULM, you can push it closer to 3. That's very good IMO, and will give you chance to pull off a lot of 6+6 combos. Plus, saber has decent DPS and good damage per shot letting you maintain good damage consistently.

[Deerber]

 

But...the Wraith exists.

 

... So does the tin can I just throwed in the garbage. Your point being...?

 

 

 

 

 

A more serious answer would be: the High Lord is actually infinitely more rewarding and fun to use, and on a good amount of power-intensive kits, as you like to call them, it's actually a more efficient gun as well.

[valium]

what is an assault rifle?

 

is it one of those non-shotgun things I see on the weapon screen?

[Bud Halen]

 

Do you even Claymore? 

 

On casters...negatory.  Graal, Raider, or Piranha...or GPS.

The Lord goes on the BatSol et al.

[NuclearTech76]

Harrier or lancer. I actually like the collector assault rifle as well. Gpr also decent entirely dependent on the setup.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

The Lancer is a really good gun that sounds really nice. Ok, sure, Harrier isn't too heavy and has massive deeps, but it's such a boring rifle.

[PatrickBateman]

Lancer on most casters.

 

Adas on engineers (especially the vanilla human and the salarian).

[FluffyCannibal]

Phaeston, CAR, or GPR.

The RNGs hate me and won't let me have nice things.

[RayD3MSoC]

Saber X with max capacity in passives will result in CDs on most powers between 3 and 3.5s.

With gears like omni capacitators and/or ULM, you can push it closer to 3. That's very good IMO, and will give you chance to pull off a lot of 6+6 combos. Plus, saber has decent DPS and good damage per shot letting you maintain good damage consistently.

 

Well I tried it (meaning I tried to solo gold while drinking with it) and was not terribly impressed.  It seems kind of like the Arc Pistol... if you take away all the OP bits... Less damage, less accuracy, longer reload times and much heavier.  I could definitely feel the difference in cooldowns on the Paladin, and I found myself far more successful going back to the Lancer.

 

Perhaps I am doing it wrong?

 

 

 

... So does the tin can I just throwed in the garbage. Your point being...?

 

 

 

 

 

A more serious answer would be: the High Lord is actually infinitely more rewarding and fun to use, and on a good amount of power-intensive kits, as you like to call them, it's actually a more efficient gun as well.

 

If you look at the Wraith and the Claymore purely as tools to make things less alive, I believe they are pretty even, assuming you have spectacular accuracy and never mess up your reload cancels, but cooldowns exist... so no. 

 

You are clearly letting your love of exploding heads and loud noises cloud you judgement on this issue.

[ZoliCs]

If you look at the Wraith and the Claymore purely as tools to make things less alive, I believe they are pretty even, assuming you have spectacular accuracy and never mess up your reload cancels, but cooldowns exist... so no. 

 

You are clearly letting your love of exploding heads and loud noises cloud you judgement on this issue.

 

The Claymore has better damage per shot, and better reload cancel dps.

[RayD3MSoC]

The Claymore has better damage per shot, and better reload cancel dps.

 

How much of that dps is wasted in overkill?

[Deerber]

 

If you look at the Wraith and the Claymore purely as tools to make things less alive, I believe they are pretty even, assuming you have spectacular accuracy and never mess up your reload cancels, but cooldowns exist... so no. 

 

You are clearly letting your love of exploding heads and loud noises cloud you judgement on this issue.

 

Or maybe you're letting your underestimation of reload hiding cloud yours

[TheNightSlasher]

The Claymore has better damage per shot, and better reload cancel dps.

Most 'speedruns' on both gold and platinum use wraith waaaaaaaay more than claymore. 

 

Speedruns may not be the best way of comparing stuff most of the time, but when it comes to usable and in-game DPS (not calculations), speedruns are a good thing to look at and wraith seems to be the better choice.

[capn233]

Well I tried it (meaning I tried to solo gold while drinking with it) and was not terribly impressed.  It seems kind of like the Arc Pistol... if you take away all the OP bits... Less damage, less accuracy, longer reload times and much heavier.  I could definitely feel the difference in cooldowns on the Paladin, and I found myself far more successful going back to the Lancer.

 

The only time Lancer compares favorably with Saber is if you have a "fire" power to exploit IA glitch against shields and barriers.  Otherwise Saber is better.  And in that case you are running HVB on Lancer, which means on a Paladin the cooldown difference is 0.16 seconds.

 

That said on the Paladin the Saber might not be my first choice, and really no AR would be as the SF and omnishield somewhat pigeonhole him into a close range character.  He is only one of many casters though, and on nearly all of them I prefer semi automatics, which is another part of why I like Saber best of the AR class on them in general.

[Deerber]

Most 'speedruns' on both gold and platinum use wraith waaaaaaaay more than claymore. 

 

 

That's because solo speedrunning is for pyjaks

[ZoliCs]

How much of that dps is wasted in overkill?

 

If that's your counter argument then use the Shuriken.

[ZoliCs]

Most 'speedruns' on both gold and platinum use wraith waaaaaaaay more than claymore. 

 

Speedruns may not be the best way of comparing stuff most of the time, but when it comes to usable and in-game DPS (not calculations), speedruns are a good thing to look at and wraith seems to be the better choice.

 

Numbers don't lie, there's too much random in practical application and not big enough sample size to use speed runs as an objective measurement.

[TheNightSlasher]

Numbers don't lie, there's too much random in practical application and not big enough sample size to use speed runs as an objective measurement.

Numbers don't lie, I agree. But claymore's DPS being higher than wraith assumes that all pellets hit the enemy. Given wraith's better accuracy, I don't trust raw DPS numbers. Raider has theoretically higher DPS than claymore but that doesn't mean much given its terrible accuracy (unless on HM/DM/MM kits). Valiant has better multi-clip DPS (w/reload cancel) than black widow - again, that doesn't make it a better gun.

 

Numbers only tell half the story.

 

I disagree with there not being enough sample size. Your argument is based on two numbers, which are subject to huge variations. The sample size I am referring to has 55 wraith solos and 18 claymore ones. This is considering all characters in the game, spread across different enemy types. That's quite a big enough sample size for me.

 

Give it a try. Take a bunch of characters and try comparing how quickly and efficiently claymore and wraith clear out waves of enemies. Claymore may give you better feel, but wraith is going to give you better results.

 

Edit: You also said that there is too much randomness in practical application. To me, that is way more important than theory. In a game, randomness is everywhere. You can't expect perfect/ideal scenarios. That's why I never fully trust DPS calculations. They are useful, but there is a lot more beyond that.